Logs taken from
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/man ... nd-198593/
I'm going to look at this from a few angles, based on my own observations and on what I believe could be a more suitable, amenable note. I'll try to keep things short and avoid text walls.
Firstly, discussing what you've said.
So, a little bit of context. On the round in question, it seemed that a ton (I would say definitely most) of the firelocks on the station were broken somehow. They were triggering for no reason, and trying to turn the fire alarms off seemed to not be working (they would just re-trigger again in a few moments). A restart vote was placed, which PASSED 16-14. That's the first time I've seen a restart vote pass in a LONG time. Vekter (the only other admin online at the time) decided to unilaterally veto the restart vote, the reason given in OOC chat was "Zero reason to restart 10 minutes into the round because you didn't get fucking antag." Vekter was of course mocked extensively after this in OOC chat (by me as well) since it was very silly to assume 16 players wanted to leave because of antag rolling and not because of the game being bugged. We then continued talking about it in OOC chat and dchat. OOC chat was muted, and then I got deadchat muted, and then without any warning I got banned. The shuttle was called as soon as it was able to and then the round ended anyways. But apparently I "sabotaged" the round by, uh, not wanting to play the game when it was bugged, like the majority of the other players in the round.
As Vekter has pointed out, we don't cancel restart votes, the game auto-cancels them. Admins hopped onto the server seeing some sort of issue, and we found that there was a mass suicide, the blatant disregard of rule 3 (Do not say in character (IC) things in the out of character (OOC) chat channel.), and extensive harassment towards Vekter in OOC.
[2023-01-20 20:10:05.148] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "it has nothing to do witha ntag rolling you dipshit" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,131,2))
The discussion here is not if Vekter did something wrong, so we'll focus on my experience. I'm in a position where I need to mute OOC to prevent further cases of IC in OOC, then, the salt immediately moves to deadchat. You were not banned without warning, as I did open a ticket with you asking for you to chill out. Only later muting you after you continued salting in deadchat.
[2023-01-20 20:17:58.202] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Cheshify/(Cera Beruse)->JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman): We're looking into things, please chill the heck out.
[2023-01-20 20:17:45.782] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "good captain is callin git" (Bridge (151,141,2))
[2023-01-20 20:19:11.918] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "the game is clearly bugged to hell and the vote to restart LITERALLY PASSED and the admins just said "no"" (Bridge (154,140,2))
[2023-01-20 20:19:16.739] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "lame as hell" (Fore Primary Hallway (132,158,2))
[2023-01-20 20:19:35.274] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "to put this in context, I literallly cannot remember the last time a restart vote actually passed" (Fore Primary Hallway (133,161,2))
[2023-01-20 20:20:11.166] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "welcome nancy" (Bridge (149,141,2))
[2023-01-20 20:20:16.803] ADMIN: Cheshify/(Cera Beruse) has muted jupiterjaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) from deadchat and DSAY
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Now, I will admit I was being kind of belligerent in OOC chat and dead chat, but the reason was that I was (I think understandably) pissed off that the admins had just decided to unilaterally overrule the majority who wanted to end the round because of it being bugged, and then posting stupid obviously false reasons like "you guys are just antag rolling."
Again, admins don't cancel restart votes manually, they don't go through if we're on (I imagine to prevent players from restarting while an admin is doing something). Jupiter, please try to remember that admins are just volunteers trying their best to make the game fun for everyone, being belligerent doesn't help and it just stresses the people who are trying to fix things out. Toxicity is not, and never will be a valid way to get what you want done.
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If the ban was for IC in OOC that would at least make a little sense (although I would still say unjustified given the context) but "SABOTAGING THE ROUND"? First of all, I didn't encourage any mass suicide. I participated, yes, did not encourage. I gave one other guy a laser gun (in the armory) who was going to commit suicide anyways. That was it. And I did not """"sabotage"""" the round when the MAJORITY OF THE PLAYERS already wanted to leave.
I'd be happy to add more context to your ban reasoning, though I would like to discuss "sabotaging the round." As the Head of Security, you have a pretty substantial effect on the round and how people react to events. Instead of taking things in stride, you chose to advocate for and discuss a planned suicide in IC and over common.
[2023-01-20 20:04:13.300] TCOMMS: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) [Common] (spans: command_headset ) "If these firelocks don't get fixed, I am going to commit suicide" (language: Galactic Common) (Brig (200,132,2))
[2023-01-20 20:07:42.548] TCOMMS: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) [Common] (spans: command_headset ) "One of my secoffs has already committed suicide" (language: Galactic Common) (Armory (209,130,2))
[2023-01-20 20:07:48.166] TCOMMS: T3hSurge/(Slippo) [Common] (spans: clown ) "I'm joining the suicide pile near hopline, who's with me?" (language: Galactic Common) (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,129,2)) // inviting people
[2023-01-20 20:07:55.134] TCOMMS: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) [Common] (spans: command_headset ) "Yea I will come slippo" (language: Galactic Common) (Brig (200,129,2))
[2023-01-20 20:08:16.545] TCOMMS: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) [Common] (spans: command_headset ) "I'm going for egun suicide" (language: Galactic Common) (Fore Central Primary Hallway (157,148,2))
[2023-01-20 20:08:32.485] ATTACK: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (job: Head of Security) committed suicide (Fore Central Primary Hallway (133,129,2))
[2023-01-20 20:08:38.918] ATTACK: T3hSurge/(Slippo) (job: Clown) committed suicide (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,129,2))
Both in-front of the HOP office as a planned event where you'd kill yourselves, others would follow your example and die in the same area. You had a measure of influence over the round, and you chose to use it to rage-quit because of an inconvenience. Additionally, we even have a ruling on roundstart suicide as a head of staff.
Using a head of staff position to openly agree to a mass-suicide is influencing the round, and you chose to do so in a public area while saying you would over comms. You participated in and worsened an existing issue, hence why I believe your actions did sabotage the round.
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Alright, IC in OOC and OOC in IC. I left this out of your ban reasoning, and I'd be willing to update your note to include this.
[2023-01-20 20:05:36.307] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "YES" (Security Locker Room (204,125,2))
[2023-01-20 20:05:37.668] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "DO IT" (Security Locker Room (204,125,2))
[2023-01-20 20:05:41.612] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "shit is broke" (Security Locker Room (204,125,2))
[2023-01-20 20:06:00.665] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "RESTART THE DAMN SERVER, SHIT IS BROKE" (Security Locker Room (204,125,2))
[2023-01-20 20:09:57.899] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "Vekter we are restarting because the firelocks are broken as fuck" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,131,2))
[2023-01-20 20:10:05.148] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "it has nothing to do witha ntag rolling you dipshit" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,131,2))
[2023-01-20 20:10:15.497] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "VEKTER WE TRIEDD" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,131,2))
[2023-01-20 20:10:17.575] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "IT IS BROKEN" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,131,2))
[2023-01-20 20:10:39.678] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "WE ARE GETTING 1984'D" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,131,2))
[2023-01-20 20:10:41.488] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "LET US RESTART" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,131,2))
[2023-01-20 20:11:13.592] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "the vote literally already passed once" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,131,2))
[2023-01-20 20:11:14.921] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "vote again" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,131,2))
[2023-01-20 20:11:49.754] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "Vote literally already passed once" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (167,148,2))
[2023-01-20 20:12:52.018] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "Vekter the fire alarms were NOT working for regular crew" (Bridge (150,139,2))
[2023-01-20 20:12:53.951] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "maybe admins can fix it" (Bridge (150,139,2))
[2023-01-20 20:13:02.373] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "but it wasn't working for the rest of us" (Bridge (147,143,2))
[2023-01-20 20:13:24.862] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "yea admins bad pretty much" (Bridge (151,143,2))
[2023-01-20 20:13:38.178] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "if it were a station quirk is would be even worse" (Fore Primary Hallway (131,153,2))
[2023-01-20 20:13:41.800] OOC: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "why would you make that a quirk" (Fore Primary Hallway (131,153,2))
Here are your OOC logs for the round, where you openly petition for people to continue making restart votes even while admins are online. You also discuss ongoing round events (the firelocks) and continue to be belligerent towards volunteer staff.
[2023-01-20 20:08:52.753] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "ADMINS THE RESTART VOTE PASSED" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,131,2))
[2023-01-20 20:08:54.079] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "RESTART IT!!" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,131,2))
[2023-01-20 20:09:02.892] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "it is" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,131,2))
[2023-01-20 20:12:34.581] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "do it chip" (Bridge (150,138,2))
[2023-01-20 20:12:37.090] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "DO IT" (Bridge (150,139,2))
[2023-01-20 20:13:47.155] ADMIN: Cheshify/(Cera Beruse) toggled OOC.
[2023-01-20 20:14:04.917] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "literally" (Bridge (150,140,2))
[2023-01-20 20:14:09.332] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "so stupid" (Bridge (150,142,2))
[2023-01-20 20:14:13.331] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "our restart vote the first one literally passed" (Bridge (150,142,2))
[2023-01-20 20:14:26.339] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "Admins really thought that 16 people wanted to restart because muh antag rolling" (Bridge (150,139,2))
[2023-01-20 20:14:28.988] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "fucking morons" (Bridge (150,139,2))
[2023-01-20 20:14:38.132] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "I did irene" (Bridge (152,141,2))
[2023-01-20 20:14:43.897] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "but the first one literally passed" (Bridge (153,140,2))
[2023-01-20 20:15:24.843] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "I hope captain just calls the shuttle" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,143,2))
[2023-01-20 20:15:28.160] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "watch them recall it" (Bridge (149,138,2))
[2023-01-20 20:15:43.645] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "I hope so" (Bridge (148,144,2))
[2023-01-20 20:16:04.230] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "well I'm gonna go play lichess" (Bridge (150,142,2))
[2023-01-20 20:16:06.541] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "lol" (Bridge (141,142,2))
[2023-01-20 20:16:54.853] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "HOLY FUCKING SHIT ADMINS" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,137,2))
[2023-01-20 20:16:56.883] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "WHAT IS YOUR ISSUE" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (134,137,2))
[2023-01-20 20:17:33.062] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "because they're stupid" (Bar Maintenance (150,152,2))
[2023-01-20 20:17:35.235] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "I assume" (Bar Maintenance (150,160,2))
[2023-01-20 20:17:37.962] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "can't think of another one" (Bar Maintenance (150,160,2))
[2023-01-20 20:17:45.782] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "good captain is callin git" (Bridge (151,141,2))
[2023-01-20 20:19:11.918] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "the game is clearly bugged to hell and the vote to restart LITERALLY PASSED and the admins just said "no"" (Bridge (154,140,2))
[2023-01-20 20:19:16.739] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "lame as hell" (Fore Primary Hallway (132,158,2))
[2023-01-20 20:19:35.274] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "to put this in context, I literallly cannot remember the last time a restart vote actually passed" (Fore Primary Hallway (133,161,2))
[2023-01-20 20:20:11.166] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) (DEAD) "welcome nancy" (Bridge (149,141,2))
And your deadchat logs, with the time I muted OOC added in when it happened. I feel this is relevant to explain why I muted you from deadchat. Even after OOC was shut off you continued to harass staff.
[2023-01-20 20:03:13.977] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "what" (Brig Control (203,130,2))
[2023-01-20 20:03:16.861] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "I'm busy" (Brig Control (205,128,2))
[2023-01-20 20:03:54.820] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "GUH" (Starboard Primary Hallway (192,131,2))
[2023-01-20 20:04:01.654] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "SHIT BROKE" (Starboard Primary Hallway (190,130,2))
[2023-01-20 20:04:13.269] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "If these firelocks don't get fixed, I am going to commit suicide" (Brig (200,132,2))
[2023-01-20 20:04:25.671] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "OI" (Security Office (207,149,2))
[2023-01-20 20:04:26.389] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "HEY" (Security Office (207,149,2))
[2023-01-20 20:04:35.920] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "YOU ATE 4??" (Security Office (207,151,2))
[2023-01-20 20:05:09.079] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "You disgust me" (Security Office (208,147,2))
[2023-01-20 20:05:19.805] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "BASTARD" (Security Office (205,148,2))
[2023-01-20 20:06:51.751] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "what for" (Security Locker Room (205,124,2))
[2023-01-20 20:06:56.438] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "oh" (Security Locker Room (205,125,2))
[2023-01-20 20:06:56.936] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "yes" (Security Locker Room (205,125,2))
[2023-01-20 20:07:05.980] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "here" (Armory (208,129,2))
[2023-01-20 20:07:06.926] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "use this" (Armory (208,129,2))
[2023-01-20 20:07:20.068] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "in the chat bar at the bottom right of your screen" (Armory (209,130,2))
[2023-01-20 20:07:21.942] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "type suicide" (Armory (209,130,2))
[2023-01-20 20:07:26.957] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "not like talking" (Armory (209,130,2))
[2023-01-20 20:07:31.618] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "it's a different little" (Armory (209,130,2))
[2023-01-20 20:07:32.822] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "there ya go" (Armory (209,130,2))
[2023-01-20 20:07:42.517] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "One of my secoffs has already committed suicide" (Armory (209,130,2))
[2023-01-20 20:07:55.102] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "Yea I will come slippo" (Brig (200,129,2))
[2023-01-20 20:08:16.515] SAY: JupiterJaeden/(Jeff Gaiman) "I'm going for egun suicide" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (157,148,2))
And your IC logs, where you used OOC concepts to teach people how to kill themselves; which isn't a rule break necessarily, but still relevant information.
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If the ban was for IC in OOC that would at least make a little sense (although I would still say unjustified given the context) but "SABOTAGING THE ROUND"? First of all, I didn't encourage any mass suicide. I participated, yes, did not encourage. I gave one other guy a laser gun (in the armory) who was going to commit suicide anyways. That was it. And I did not """"sabotage"""" the round when the MAJORITY OF THE PLAYERS already wanted to leave.
I said it in-round, an annoying bug doesn't justify IC in OOC, just as being annoyed does not justify toxicity.
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References of good conduct: I have absolutely no history of encouraging any kind of mass suicide. This is not a repeated offense in any way. In the context I don't even think it's an offense at all, because I did not do it.
Not having a history of breaking a rule doesn't give you immunity to being punished for breaking a rule. Notes and bans exist to create that history. I believe I've said what I've needed to about "sabotaging a round" earlier, as well.
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A direct removal of this note/ban from me is denied, though I would be open to discussing a rewording of the note to better reflect the situation.