[NoxVS] Alonewithus - note appeal
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:12 pm
BYOND account: alonewithus
Character name: Leia Pampa
Ban type: Note
Ban length: Note
Ban reason: Put healing bees in medical. After being asked to remove them, refused and escalated against the members of medical who tried to remove the bees. Was eventually killed and revived, and proceeded to kill the doctor responsible despite the conflict having ended.
Time ban was placed: 2023-03-23 20:49:48
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 202371
Your side of the story: I made healing bees in medical lobby. I'm not sure if I was told to remove the apiary, but I didn't notice it as it might've been when I was SSD for a bit. I shoved the med doctor hitting it with a circular saw and put it in my backpack so they couldn't retaliate with it. They chase me away from medbay with another doctor or CMO. I end up hitting them with a command baton I was hit with first, then run away. When they find me they flash me, take the baton, and keep hitting me with it (on combat) they keep doing so until I am *past* being crit (they can clearly see this with their medhuds, immediately when someone goes crit). I just ghost because they are clearly going to kill me anyways. I believe they did in fact hit me after I succumbed (now dead), which you can only succumb during crit, so that would show they were hitting me past already being crit. I tried to get sec to punish them for it, sec just let them go with no punishment at all, so I shot and killed them and left them to be revived.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I was told by the noting admin a quote, ""Conflict is automatically suspended when one participant is dead or incapacitated. A player who uses the state of incapacitation to take further action against the downed party chooses to extend the ongoing conflict past its original endpoint, and opens themselves up to further reprisal to avenge damage or recover stolen possessions."" Saying that this is how I broke the rules. However, this does show that I followed the rules, as they kept hitting me past being crit? Also keep in mind it was a baton they were doing this with, so they also had me stamcrit (and therefore essentially incapacitated) but yet kept hitting me into crit. And then past crit. I did make the mistake of succumbing though (I was not thinking at the time about how that could cause ambiguity about if they *actually* meant to kill me or not).
Anything else we should know: The person whom I attacked, who crit(killed) me, ended up being an admin. After killing them when they were revived they yelled about it over comms, and after some arguing referenced they were an admin (in an IC way of stating). Then in EORG said
"Desk of Command Rep Vex Petunia-Licht Update
Your paycheck is mine.
You know who you are."
I think this is not only unbecoming, but blurs the lines between "being mad/a jerk in IC" and "being mad/a jerk OOC". And leads me to believe they beat me past crit not because of any valid rules reason, but because they were mad OOC. Additionally, (referencing being an admin IC and making that announcement in OOC) makes it seem like they are immune by being staff, and that I was fucked for being a player who fought an admin. ("Your paycheck is mine")
Character name: Leia Pampa
Ban type: Note
Ban length: Note
Ban reason: Put healing bees in medical. After being asked to remove them, refused and escalated against the members of medical who tried to remove the bees. Was eventually killed and revived, and proceeded to kill the doctor responsible despite the conflict having ended.
Time ban was placed: 2023-03-23 20:49:48
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 202371
Your side of the story: I made healing bees in medical lobby. I'm not sure if I was told to remove the apiary, but I didn't notice it as it might've been when I was SSD for a bit. I shoved the med doctor hitting it with a circular saw and put it in my backpack so they couldn't retaliate with it. They chase me away from medbay with another doctor or CMO. I end up hitting them with a command baton I was hit with first, then run away. When they find me they flash me, take the baton, and keep hitting me with it (on combat) they keep doing so until I am *past* being crit (they can clearly see this with their medhuds, immediately when someone goes crit). I just ghost because they are clearly going to kill me anyways. I believe they did in fact hit me after I succumbed (now dead), which you can only succumb during crit, so that would show they were hitting me past already being crit. I tried to get sec to punish them for it, sec just let them go with no punishment at all, so I shot and killed them and left them to be revived.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I was told by the noting admin a quote, ""Conflict is automatically suspended when one participant is dead or incapacitated. A player who uses the state of incapacitation to take further action against the downed party chooses to extend the ongoing conflict past its original endpoint, and opens themselves up to further reprisal to avenge damage or recover stolen possessions."" Saying that this is how I broke the rules. However, this does show that I followed the rules, as they kept hitting me past being crit? Also keep in mind it was a baton they were doing this with, so they also had me stamcrit (and therefore essentially incapacitated) but yet kept hitting me into crit. And then past crit. I did make the mistake of succumbing though (I was not thinking at the time about how that could cause ambiguity about if they *actually* meant to kill me or not).
Anything else we should know: The person whom I attacked, who crit(killed) me, ended up being an admin. After killing them when they were revived they yelled about it over comms, and after some arguing referenced they were an admin (in an IC way of stating). Then in EORG said
"Desk of Command Rep Vex Petunia-Licht Update
Your paycheck is mine.
You know who you are."
I think this is not only unbecoming, but blurs the lines between "being mad/a jerk in IC" and "being mad/a jerk OOC". And leads me to believe they beat me past crit not because of any valid rules reason, but because they were mad OOC. Additionally, (referencing being an admin IC and making that announcement in OOC) makes it seem like they are immune by being staff, and that I was fucked for being a player who fought an admin. ("Your paycheck is mine")