I figured I'd add to this, as I'm the one who plays Lyn Nakamura and the one who ahelped in the first place, so I want to provide further context from my side of the story. I was in medbay with no prior interactions with Finn, and after going through a hand tele portal with a revolutionary conga, I tried to shove them back into the portal so they could get converted. This was my first interaction with Finn all shift, to which they stopped and made a comment to me.
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03:44:33 EMOTE Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) points at the portal (79, 103, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:34 EMOTE Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) points at the portal (80, 103, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:35 SAY Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) "go in" (80, 103, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:36 SAY Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) "commit" (80, 103, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:36 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "attack me" (83, 103, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:37 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "once more" (83, 103, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
I then stabbed Finn in the eyes when a revhead chimp walked in, hoping the distraction and follow-up stun from eye-stabs would keep Finn still to flash him. They then responded with a discussion about escalation and "metagrudging", which kind of goes against them believing me to be an antagonist in any way.
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03:44:44 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "bruh" (85, 101, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:45 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "you" (85, 101, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:46 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "really" (85, 101, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:48 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "hold a grudge" (85, 101, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:53 SAY Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) "Do it chimp" (84, 102, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:55 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "doesnt even count as defending your department" (85, 101, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:58 EMOTE Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) points at the monkey (4) (83, 103, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:45:02 SAY Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) "eh" (83, 103, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:45:09 SAY Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) "actually it was for another reason" (83, 103, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:45:15 SAY Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) "I was gonna shove you in the funny portal to the conga" (83, 103, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:45:15 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "fix my wounds and make it snappy" (85, 101, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:45:17 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) snaps his fingers. (85, 101, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:45:21 SAY Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) "but because you said to fight, it was funny to stab you"
03:45:34 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "so then you are escalation baiting" (85, 101, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:45:35 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "excellent"
At this point, I felt TypicalRig was not aware I was even a revolutionary, or an antag of any actual sort, as they claim in their "Your side of the story"part, up until I was deconverted, instead assuming it to be metagrudging. As Finn continued to demand me to fix his eyes, as the headrev geneticist refused to flash him, I instead decided to leave him and rush to the brig, where the revolution conga was taking place to potentially help there.
Instead, Finn made a false accusation about me being a head revolutionary to try getting security to kill me. Finn has a habit of falsely accusing me of doing crimes to get security or the crew to lynch me when I upset him.
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03:47:02 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "saw lyn nakamura flashing people" (88, 102, 2) Medbay Central
Shortly after, I am arrested and deconverted with a mindshield,
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[2023-04-07 03:48:11.214] GAME: Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) has lost antag datum �Revolutionary(/datum/antagonist/rev). (Brig (117,167,2))
After Finn was brought into the brig, I thought, amidst the chaos of the brig's mosh pit, I'd take his tongue out while they were being deconverted, due to the earlier incident in the medbay, then put it back in, thinking it as some "poetic justice" for blatantly lying about me. When I plopped it out, Finn got up and, understandably, started chasing me down to tell me to put it back in.
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03:53:49 EMOTE Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) points at Finn Saylor (98, 168, 2) Brig
03:53:51 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) gasps! (96, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:06 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) gasps! (95, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:10 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) gasps! (95, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:13 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) gasps! (95, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:19 WHISPER TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "I'm killing" (95, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:21 WHISPER TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "Gais-22" (95, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:25 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "The borg isn't rogue, just a shitter" (95, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:29 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "I'm killing" (95, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:33 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "gais-22" (95, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:34 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "No" (95, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:37 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) screams! (95, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:39 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "He was random flashing and snipping me" (95, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:40 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "all shift" (95, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:42 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "un ordered" (95, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:51 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) screams! (96, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:53 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) screams! (97, 166, 2) Brig
03:54:54 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "fix i'" (97, 166, 2) Brig
Instead, I went back to medbay. Later into the shift, Finn finally returned to medbay, and as I satisfied with the antics of his missing tongue, I took it and replaced it back into his mouth, where he had a justifiably long time to be upset at me for such a situation.
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04:03:49 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "aaoaa saa" (79, 105, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:04:10 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) points at Finn Saylor (82, 104, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:04:13 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "s'ill hur'" (82, 104, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:04:42 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) screams! (79, 105, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:04:56 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) screams! (79, 105, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:04:58 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) screams! (79, 105, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:05:09 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "hurt still" (79, 105, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:05:56 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "where are the medkits"
At this point, it seemed Finn had calmed down after I had put the tongue back in to hopefully get him off my back after the revolution's been quelled, where I instead went back to medical duties and such. Suddenly, Bean Sprout had entered the medbay asking me to kill him, which as stated above, Finn was aware of, a consensual "experiment" of whatever sort.
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04:08:05 SAY Barber_Ferdinand/(Bean Sprout) "hey lyn, can you help me test sometihng" (83, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:08:11 SAY Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) "probably not." (80, 100, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:08:14 SAY Barber_Ferdinand/(Bean Sprout) "throw death nettles at me till i die" (81, 99, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:08:18 SAY Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) "Ok" (80, 100, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:08:41 SAY Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) "Okay" (80, 99, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:08:43 SAY Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) "ready?" (80, 99, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:08:45 SAY Barber_Ferdinand/(Bean Sprout) "gogogogo" (78, 99, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:08:53 EMOTE Barber_Ferdinand/(Bean Sprout) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (78, 99, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:08:56 GAME *no key*/(Bean Sprout) *no key*/(Bean Sprout) is no longer owning mob Bean Sprout(/mob/living/carbon/human) (78, 99, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:08:56 ACCESS Mob Login: Barber_Ferdinand/(Bean Sprout) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
04:09:00 GAME Barber_Ferdinand/(Bean Sprout) has opted to do-not-resuscitate / DNR from their body (Bean Sprout) (81, 99, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
Where Finn took the opportunity to tell a borg about the situation to get me killed, and subsequently, round-removed, all while lying about me "killing Bean" in a nonconsensual manner to justify his spacing of me.
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04:09:00 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "oh my god" (85, 100, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:02 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "human harm" (85, 100, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:06 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "stop the cat!!" (85, 100, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:08 SAY Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) "consensual" (75, 100, 2) Grand Surgery Theatre
04:09:12 SAY Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) "he said" (79, 99, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:13 SAY Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) "to do i-GACK!" (79, 99, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:24 EMOTE Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) seizes up and falls limp, her eyes dead and lifeless... (79, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:25 GAME *no key*/(Lyn Nakamura) *no key*/(Lyn Nakamura) is no longer owning mob Lyn Nakamura(/mob/living/carbon/human) (79, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:27 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "good job" (80, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:28 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) coughs! (80, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:29 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "she killed bean" (80, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:32 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) points at Bean Sprout (80, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:32 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) points at Bean Sprout (80, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:32 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) points at Bean Sprout (80, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:39 SAY TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "I will dispose" (80, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:42 GAME TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) started fireman carrying Lyn Nakamura. (80, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:42 GAME *no key*/(Lyn Nakamura) was fireman carried by Finn Saylor. (79, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:10:02 ADMIN NoxVS/(Tarantula HY) checked the individual player panel for TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor).
04:10:03 GAME TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) is no longer being ridden by Lyn Nakamura. (108, 61, 2) Departure Lounge
04:10:03 GAME *no key*/(Lyn Nakamura) is no longer riding Finn Saylor. (108, 61, 2) Departure Lounge
04:10:04 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) gasps! (108, 61, 2) Departure Lounge
04:10:25 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) gasps! (102, 79, 2) Morgue
04:10:25 WHISPER TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) "They literally killde bean, shitter" (102, 79, 2) Morgue
04:10:25 EMOTE TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (102, 79, 2) Morgue
04:10:27 GAME *no key*/(Finn Saylor) *no key*/(Finn Saylor) is no longer owning mob Finn Saylor(/mob/living/carbon/human) (102, 79, 2) Morgue
And Bean admitted in dead chat he just wanted to leave the round
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04:10:17 SAY Barber_Ferdinand/(Bean Sprout) (DEAD) "i didnt know they would do that" (81, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:10:24 SAY Barber_Ferdinand/(Bean Sprout) (DEAD) "i told you to kill m in earshot of the borg" (81, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:10:26 SAY Barber_Ferdinand/(Bean Sprout) (DEAD) "so i dont know" (81, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:10:30 SAY Barber_Ferdinand/(Bean Sprout) (DEAD) "maybe it wasnt paying attention" (81, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:10:35 SAY Barber_Ferdinand/(Bean Sprout) (DEAD) "sorry" (81, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:10:42 SAY Barber_Ferdinand/(Bean Sprout) (DEAD) "i just wanted to leve the round" (81, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
I had ahelped about Finn, but mostly the borg, who jumped into action over a consensual "fight", if you could call it that, and allowing me to be round-removed, something I was obviously pissed about. The admin, Nox, asked me to explain what happened prior to the spacing, and I had explained my entire side of the story with Nox. However, there weren't many follow-up questions, so I couldn't give further details on anything. I knew why Finn had assisted killing me, as mentioned in their "Anything else we should know" section of their appeal, but I felt spacing me with intent of round-removing me as a result was much too far and left a sour taste in my mouth as they had only did it after we had de-escalated, and as mentioned prior, was an ahelp for the borg as well, which I am uncertain got noted or discussed to about the ticket.
Attack logs:
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03:44:30 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) grabbed TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (81, 103, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:31 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) grabbed TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (81, 103, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:42 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) attacked TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) with scalpel (Combat mode: On) (NEWHP: 93) (82, 103, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:44 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) attacked TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) with scalpel (Combat mode: On) (NEWHP: 86) (86, 102, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:45 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) attacked TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) with scalpel (Combat mode: On) (NEWHP: 79) (85, 102, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:46 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) attacked TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) with scalpel (Combat mode: On) (NEWHP: 72) (84, 102, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:47 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) attacked TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) with scalpel (Combat mode: On) (NEWHP: 65) (84, 102, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:44:48 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) attacked TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) with scalpel (Combat mode: On) (NEWHP: 58) (84, 102, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:45:33 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) healed TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) with suture (NEWHP: 68) (85, 100, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:45:34 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) healed TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) with suture (NEWHP: 78) (85, 100, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:45:34 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) healed TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) with suture (NEWHP: 88) (85, 100, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:45:35 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) healed TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) with suture (NEWHP: 98) (85, 100, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:45:36 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) healed TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) with suture (NEWHP: 100) (85, 100, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:45:37 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) grabbed Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (85, 101, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
03:54:12 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) is stripping TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) of the fedora. (96, 167, 2) Brig
03:54:15 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) has stripped TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) of the fedora. (96, 167, 2) Brig
03:54:16 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) operated on TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) (OPERATION TYPE: Organ manipulation) (TARGET AREA: mouth) (NEWHP: -26.1) (96, 167, 2) Brig
03:54:46 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) surgically removed felinid tongue from TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) COMBAT MODE: 0 (NEWHP: 25.7) (96, 167, 2) Brig
03:54:50 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) punched Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) (NEWHP: 98.8) (96, 168, 2) Brig
03:54:58 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) attacked Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 89.8) (97, 166, 2) Brig
04:02:31 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) is stripping TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) of the bulletproof helmet. (80, 104, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:03:06 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) operated on TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) (OPERATION TYPE: Debride burnt flesh) (TARGET AREA: head) (NEWHP: 70.7) (80, 104, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:03:12 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) excised infected flesh in TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) COMBAT MODE: 0 (NEWHP: 70.7) (80, 104, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:03:18 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) excised infected flesh in TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) COMBAT MODE: 0 (NEWHP: 67.1) (80, 104, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:03:21 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) excised infected flesh in TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) COMBAT MODE: 0 (NEWHP: 63.5) (80, 104, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:03:35 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) shaken TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) (NEWHP: 59.9) (80, 104, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:03:40 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) attacked TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) with cautery (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 59.9) (80, 104, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:04:26 ATTACK Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) operated on TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) (OPERATION TYPE: Organ manipulation) (TARGET AREA: mouth) (NEWHP: 64.1) (80, 104, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:12 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) attacked Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 40.2) (79, 100, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:13 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) attacked Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 22.7) (80, 100, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:18 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) attacked Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 5.6) (80, 99, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:19 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) attacked Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -23.6) (80, 97, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:20 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) attacked Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -44.5) (80, 97, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:21 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) attacked Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -62.5) (80, 97, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:22 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) attacked Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -81) (80, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:23 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) attacked Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -95.1) (80, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:24 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) attacked Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -113.7) (80, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:25 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) attacked Alamo Turtle/(Lyn Nakamura) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -133.9) (80, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:34 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) grabbed *no key*/(Lyn Nakamura) passive grab (NEWHP: -133.9) (80, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:09:35 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) grabbed *no key*/(Lyn Nakamura) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -133.9) (80, 98, 2) Medbay Treatment Center
04:10:03 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) thrown *no key*/(Lyn Nakamura) grab from tile in Departure Lounge (108,61,2) towards tile at Space (108,58,2) (NEWHP: -133.9) (108, 61, 2) Departure Lounge
04:10:03 ATTACK TypicalRig/(Finn Saylor) has thrown Lyn Nakamura (108, 61, 2) Departure Lounge
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