[Pepsiman0] Bucovineanu - Nostalgia got the better of me
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:01 pm
BYOND account: Bucovineanu
Character name: Bazzer Dan-Delion
Ban type: Server
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: made bcis that made a bunch of people across the station scream "[n word redacted out by me*]" on comms
Time ban was placed: 2021-08-08 16:40:10
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 167446
Your side of the story: Ban reason says it pretty clearly, though not completely. I made a brain circuit that would force people to repeatedly scream the slur on comms every time they heard it. At the time I didn't see this as an exploit (I do now, I would say) and I only saw it as somewhat disrupting comms (and at that, in a manner I believed could be remedied by people heading back to the BCI implanter and deimplanting it). This, according to the admin, caused lag for certain users, which I did not foresee. It is worth mentioning that for completeness the immediate ban reason needs to be mentioned alongside previous notes/incidents at the time, including a 7 day ban for burning down toxins as part of a protest after being killed and then beaten in escalation I did not believe was fair at the time and in general edging the line of self-antagging myself due to burnout at the time.
Why you think you should be unbanned: First of all, to get it out of the way - whether the bans were justified. Though I did not raise this at the time due to antipathies I had towards tg staff at the time**, I believe the bans (7 day & perma) were somewhat excessive, even though as they may have come from a progression. However, in all fairness, I've noted and accepted that there is a certain direction the tg community has decided to take that at the time I was running afoul of w/ regards to the then recent rule 11. I would thus like to accept that this may have been an aggravating factor in any consideration towards me at the time. Furthermore, I believe it bears mentioning that the 7 day ban was begotten in part due to my foul language towards the admin of the day.
In that sense, I would like to offer a branch of peace in the form of a promise to unconditionally abide, within the servers, by the mores of the tg community as they may be now and as they may change. While I cannot in good heart pretend that I fully agree with how things have evolved, it is my promise and my word that I will not cause any more of a ruckus on the topic of rules and community guidelines, nor flaunt them in protest.
As for why exactly I believe I should be unbanned. First of all, in my defense, while I was not a model player, I've always held that in my 500? hours of playing on tg, I have nearly always done my best to not break the rules (even when protesting rule 11), and that my failings in doing so have been only human. I've had a lot of beautiful experiences on tg and I believe I've contributed to the community, helped by teaching others obscure mechanics, and otherwise had a nice collaborative experience. This is not to say that I never powergamed (as a Terry player, it felt accepted to do so) or otherwise dragged down the game, merely that I believe that - in the net - it was a positive contribution on my part. And despite my position on rule 11, it frankly never came that I broke the rule on the tg SS13 servers. I would like to think that I am objective on this.
References of good conduct: I have played rather little since my ban, outside of being admin/maintainer on a server that some here may not like, which I will mention in the next section.
Anything else we should know: For a rather long period of time I have contributed to, played on and adminned for a server explicitly built to rival tg. At this moment, the server (Merchant) is largely dead. Perhaps it will seem weird but I believe my experience moderating and responding to ahelps there has made me a fair bit more empathetic with the admins of tg, despite any remaining differences in opinion.
To address my antipathies with tg staff: for a while I've held an idealized idea of /tg/ which does not match the intention and perhaps history of the place. I've come to accept that in terms of the desire of the tg community, the staff may have a right to steer it whichever way they please. In that sense I would like to apologize for my toxicity towards members of the staff, though I know it may never be reciprocated as such. Though it is not the subject of this permaban, I would also like to apologize for my adversarial behavior towards tg, as I may have gone too far. I would like to restate my intent to fully accept any rule changes and what the community finds acceptable from now on.
In the interest of full disclosure I will also mention I still have an outstanding discord ban. I will not be appealing it at this time. Additionally, I have a permaban on fulpstation dated 2022-03-08 caused by overescalation on my part, which was corroborated with the banbus perma to a permaban on first offense.
* I'll readd it if it's poor form; redacted it out of respect for the rules and direction tg has taken
** I would not like to lie in this even if it improved my chances of being approved; I rather prefer transparency and honesty.
Edit: Since there's some discussion putting up some reasonable points towards my actions leading to the permaban, I would like to address my original intent on creating the circuit (i.e.: was I intending to grief and lag the server) in the interest of completeness I'd like to remark that when I designed the circuit, I had tested it with a smaller number of people and it did not go in a loop; it was only when I made several more that it started looping and causing the lag. What I knew at the time is that circuits can't loop like this because they have a timer preventing text chat. What I did not know at the time is that there is a limited amount of messages that tcomms will accept in a given decisecond which meant any more than 5 to 10 messages would cause messages to be delayed to the next decisecond, eventually overcoming the timeout. As I've mentioned, I'm quite sorry it went that way and I apologize for taking actions leading to this turn of events.
Furthermore, I would like to point out that rules at the time cannot make this an instance of attempted banbait, as at the time the mere usage of the word was not yet a bannable offense per rule 11 (or indeed, by the current wording in a strict sense, it still wouldn't be - but it is my understanding by reading precedents that the desired outcome of the rule has been chiseled to mean something else)
I hope addressing these points isn't out of line with how appeals are to be done, I simply ended up reading the thread quoting this. No comment past that.
Edit^2: Armhulen, I've freely provided information in this appeal so that you and other admins may make a fully educated decision, as in the end it is your just right. I can only complain that this discussion in the 'peanut gallery' and my inability to defend myself towards the accusations of an admin except by awkward edits strikes me as a bit unfair, though it is fully within your right (beggars can't be choosers after all). I'd like to ask, though it may be too much, that if I am to be accused by admins of anything that it be done in this thread and not in another thread so that we can discuss this in a civil manner. Furthermore I want to point out once more that I intend to go beyond the rules in my behavior. Even if I have my ban lifted I would not be surprised or insulted if I had a permanent note left that ensured my strict adherence; I believe taking the time to manually write this much out should at least show you the good faith I have in making that assertion and that I do not come in with bad intentions.
Edit^3: If the first edit was not clear enough, as I've realized it may have not been in retrospect, I'd like to reiterate it was not my intent to cause looping spam, lag or otherwise to harm tgstation servers in making that circuit, and was not even in fact aware of the lag or harm at the time of my ban.
Character name: Bazzer Dan-Delion
Ban type: Server
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: made bcis that made a bunch of people across the station scream "[n word redacted out by me*]" on comms
Time ban was placed: 2021-08-08 16:40:10
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 167446
Your side of the story: Ban reason says it pretty clearly, though not completely. I made a brain circuit that would force people to repeatedly scream the slur on comms every time they heard it. At the time I didn't see this as an exploit (I do now, I would say) and I only saw it as somewhat disrupting comms (and at that, in a manner I believed could be remedied by people heading back to the BCI implanter and deimplanting it). This, according to the admin, caused lag for certain users, which I did not foresee. It is worth mentioning that for completeness the immediate ban reason needs to be mentioned alongside previous notes/incidents at the time, including a 7 day ban for burning down toxins as part of a protest after being killed and then beaten in escalation I did not believe was fair at the time and in general edging the line of self-antagging myself due to burnout at the time.
Why you think you should be unbanned: First of all, to get it out of the way - whether the bans were justified. Though I did not raise this at the time due to antipathies I had towards tg staff at the time**, I believe the bans (7 day & perma) were somewhat excessive, even though as they may have come from a progression. However, in all fairness, I've noted and accepted that there is a certain direction the tg community has decided to take that at the time I was running afoul of w/ regards to the then recent rule 11. I would thus like to accept that this may have been an aggravating factor in any consideration towards me at the time. Furthermore, I believe it bears mentioning that the 7 day ban was begotten in part due to my foul language towards the admin of the day.
In that sense, I would like to offer a branch of peace in the form of a promise to unconditionally abide, within the servers, by the mores of the tg community as they may be now and as they may change. While I cannot in good heart pretend that I fully agree with how things have evolved, it is my promise and my word that I will not cause any more of a ruckus on the topic of rules and community guidelines, nor flaunt them in protest.
As for why exactly I believe I should be unbanned. First of all, in my defense, while I was not a model player, I've always held that in my 500? hours of playing on tg, I have nearly always done my best to not break the rules (even when protesting rule 11), and that my failings in doing so have been only human. I've had a lot of beautiful experiences on tg and I believe I've contributed to the community, helped by teaching others obscure mechanics, and otherwise had a nice collaborative experience. This is not to say that I never powergamed (as a Terry player, it felt accepted to do so) or otherwise dragged down the game, merely that I believe that - in the net - it was a positive contribution on my part. And despite my position on rule 11, it frankly never came that I broke the rule on the tg SS13 servers. I would like to think that I am objective on this.
References of good conduct: I have played rather little since my ban, outside of being admin/maintainer on a server that some here may not like, which I will mention in the next section.
Anything else we should know: For a rather long period of time I have contributed to, played on and adminned for a server explicitly built to rival tg. At this moment, the server (Merchant) is largely dead. Perhaps it will seem weird but I believe my experience moderating and responding to ahelps there has made me a fair bit more empathetic with the admins of tg, despite any remaining differences in opinion.
To address my antipathies with tg staff: for a while I've held an idealized idea of /tg/ which does not match the intention and perhaps history of the place. I've come to accept that in terms of the desire of the tg community, the staff may have a right to steer it whichever way they please. In that sense I would like to apologize for my toxicity towards members of the staff, though I know it may never be reciprocated as such. Though it is not the subject of this permaban, I would also like to apologize for my adversarial behavior towards tg, as I may have gone too far. I would like to restate my intent to fully accept any rule changes and what the community finds acceptable from now on.
In the interest of full disclosure I will also mention I still have an outstanding discord ban. I will not be appealing it at this time. Additionally, I have a permaban on fulpstation dated 2022-03-08 caused by overescalation on my part, which was corroborated with the banbus perma to a permaban on first offense.
* I'll readd it if it's poor form; redacted it out of respect for the rules and direction tg has taken
** I would not like to lie in this even if it improved my chances of being approved; I rather prefer transparency and honesty.
Edit: Since there's some discussion putting up some reasonable points towards my actions leading to the permaban, I would like to address my original intent on creating the circuit (i.e.: was I intending to grief and lag the server) in the interest of completeness I'd like to remark that when I designed the circuit, I had tested it with a smaller number of people and it did not go in a loop; it was only when I made several more that it started looping and causing the lag. What I knew at the time is that circuits can't loop like this because they have a timer preventing text chat. What I did not know at the time is that there is a limited amount of messages that tcomms will accept in a given decisecond which meant any more than 5 to 10 messages would cause messages to be delayed to the next decisecond, eventually overcoming the timeout. As I've mentioned, I'm quite sorry it went that way and I apologize for taking actions leading to this turn of events.
Furthermore, I would like to point out that rules at the time cannot make this an instance of attempted banbait, as at the time the mere usage of the word was not yet a bannable offense per rule 11 (or indeed, by the current wording in a strict sense, it still wouldn't be - but it is my understanding by reading precedents that the desired outcome of the rule has been chiseled to mean something else)
I hope addressing these points isn't out of line with how appeals are to be done, I simply ended up reading the thread quoting this. No comment past that.
Edit^2: Armhulen, I've freely provided information in this appeal so that you and other admins may make a fully educated decision, as in the end it is your just right. I can only complain that this discussion in the 'peanut gallery' and my inability to defend myself towards the accusations of an admin except by awkward edits strikes me as a bit unfair, though it is fully within your right (beggars can't be choosers after all). I'd like to ask, though it may be too much, that if I am to be accused by admins of anything that it be done in this thread and not in another thread so that we can discuss this in a civil manner. Furthermore I want to point out once more that I intend to go beyond the rules in my behavior. Even if I have my ban lifted I would not be surprised or insulted if I had a permanent note left that ensured my strict adherence; I believe taking the time to manually write this much out should at least show you the good faith I have in making that assertion and that I do not come in with bad intentions.
Edit^3: If the first edit was not clear enough, as I've realized it may have not been in retrospect, I'd like to reiterate it was not my intent to cause looping spam, lag or otherwise to harm tgstation servers in making that circuit, and was not even in fact aware of the lag or harm at the time of my ban.