[Iain0] Clonkerbonker 14 day ban

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[Iain0] Clonkerbonker 14 day ban

Post by ClonkerBonker » #684274

BYOND account: Clonkerbonker
Character name: John Terry
Ban type: Server
Ban length:14 days
Ban reason: Banned from the server for 2 weeks - Round 205132 - Some shenanigans involving gunpowder filled monkeys and napalm on the shuttle resulting in a 3/6/13 explosion, 10 following deaths likely related. Player not on line to explain what happened, please go file an appeal on the forums at viewforum.php?f=7 to explain how this happened. And why you brought such things to the shuttle.
Time ban was placed: 2023-05-05 17:56:15
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 205135
Your side of the story: I brought a 950u gunpowder monkey to the shuttle for EORG, plasmafire happened and started heating the room up resulting in the explosion happening prematurely
Why you think you should be unbanned: Since the reason for the premature explosion was out of my control, but still i brought it there i would like if the ban was shortened by half, as it was not intentional grief. I understand if not.
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Re: [Iain0] Clonkerbonker 14 day ban

Post by Archie700 » #684291

Round affected was 205132

Game
Attack

Monkey exploded at:

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05:30:43	GAME	Reagent explosion reaction occurred at Emergency Shuttle (40,67,15). Last Fingerprint: clonkerbonker.		
05:30:43	GAME	Explosion with size (3, 6, 13, 0) in (Emergency Shuttle (40,67,15)). Possible cause: the monkey (495). Last fingerprints: clonkerbonker/(John Terry).	
4 direct deaths resulted

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05:30:44	ATTACK	EvilMelon/(Angie Greenawalt) has died (BRUTE: 17, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0)	(39, 68, 15)	Emergency Shuttle
05:30:44	ATTACK	Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) has died (BRUTE: 0, BURN: 0, TOX: 42.8, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0)	(41, 67, 15)	Emergency Shuttle
05:30:44	ATTACK	CoolCatIsFeelingGroovy/(Ashley Quinn) has died (BRUTE: 230.8, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0)	(39, 68, 15)	Emergency Shuttle
05:30:44	ATTACK	Kacperpl123pl/(Marczin Szebeszynszki) has died (BRUTE: 123, BURN: 114.9, TOX: 7, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0)	(40, 71, 15)	Emergency Shuttle
Other serious injuries (attack does not log for any damage suffered from the explosion)

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05:30:45	ATTACK	*no key*/(Iron Golem (585)) suffered: Joint Dislocation | Damage: 15 (rolled 28/44.3127) | WB: 10	(39, 54, 15)	Emergency Shuttle
05:30:46	ATTACK	JastinDeep/(Talon Bulldog) suffered: Joint Dislocation to left leg | Damage: 15 (rolled 39/44.3127) | WB: 10	(37, 57, 15)	Emergency Shuttle
05:30:47	ATTACK	GoreDem/(Sudie-Muz) suffered: Hairline Fracture to right leg | Damage: 22.5 (rolled 51/78.1728) | WB: 10	(40, 57, 15)	Emergency Shuttle
05:30:47	ATTACK	Justin hugo/(Brayden Brinigh) suffered: Joint Dislocation to left arm | Damage: 20 (rolled 27/66.2891) | WB: 10	(41, 60, 15)	Emergency Shuttle
05:30:47	ATTACK	Zielonyfenix/(Francis Phoenix) crashed into Justin hugo/(Brayden Brinigh) (NEWHP: 80)	(41, 61, 15)	Emergency Shuttle
Remaining deaths were after Emergency Shuttle reached Centcom, unknown if related

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05:31:12	ATTACK	Idontcarear/(David Williams) has died (BRUTE: 117.5, BURN: 27, TOX: 0, OXY: 63.2, CLONE: 0)	(211, 99, 1)	Emergency Shuttle
05:31:15	ATTACK	Ekaterina von Russland/(Marina Rudinova) has died (BRUTE: 84.9, BURN: 92.3, TOX: 0, OXY: 43.9, CLONE: 0)	(209, 97, 1)	Emergency Shuttle
05:31:15	ATTACK	Zielonyfenix/(Francis Phoenix) has died (BRUTE: 39, BURN: 0, TOX: 150.5, OXY: 19.9667, CLONE: 0)	(214, 89, 1)	Emergency Shuttle
05:31:17	ATTACK	JastinDeep/(Talon Bulldog) has died (BRUTE: 18.2, BURN: 0, TOX: 10.167, OXY: 171.633, CLONE: 0)	(211, 86, 1)	Emergency Shuttle
05:31:24	ATTACK	Excitant/(Jarl Hansenov) has died (BRUTE: 118.9, BURN: 19.8, TOX: 0, OXY: 70.4, CLONE: 0)	(211, 97, 1)	Emergency Shuttle
05:31:29	ATTACK	*no key*/(Zack Andreev) has died (BRUTE: 97.2, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 106.972, CLONE: 0)	(217, 87, 1)	Emergency Shuttle
05:31:35	ATTACK	Jonashx/(Jimmy Quark) has died (BRUTE: 14, BURN: 0, TOX: 0.167455, OXY: 189.339, CLONE: 0)	(210, 88, 1)	Emergency Shuttle
05:31:36	ATTACK	Boltersam/(Murph Derby) has died (BRUTE: 23.5, BURN: 174.2, TOX: 15, OXY: 0.666667, CLONE: 0)	(210, 72, 1)	Emergency Shuttle
05:32:09	ATTACK	Diekartoffel[DC]/(Ratty Ratatouille) has died (BRUTE: 151.25, BURN: 48.74, TOX: 0, OXY: 6, CLONE: 0)	(214, 83, 1)	Emergency Shuttle
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Re: [Iain0] Clonkerbonker 14 day ban

Post by iain0 » #684296

Thanks for the log summary, the unrelated deaths section notably they have a fair ammount of oxygen damage mixed in with some brute (mostly), which would be roughly what I'd expect from an explosion and depressurisation problem. Not really something that can be easily confirmed but there's likely some relationed in this set, which overall brings the kill count easily into the 5-10 directly related deaths plus assorted injury and presumably other damage on survivors we've no way of tracking really.

Bringing weapons of mass destruction on to the shuttle for EORG really doesn't buy you any ground here, you're responsible for it and in context there is no EORG and your actions make no sense. Shuttles REGULARLY catch fire. Like maybe more shuttles catch fire or have other minor explosions on them than don't. The odds on something chain reacting your monkey is not a huge leap of foresight. In fact, doesn't even really require foresight from you does it. Normally I'd infer you have some idea what you're doing from played hours or something, but here's an OOC snipped from the START of this round.

(Log file sources used : https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... nd-205132/ using combined attack.txt and game.txt)

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[2023-05-05 16:05:42.320] OOC: Excitant/(Excitant) "monkey" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:06:20.869] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(Clonkerbonker) "mmmm" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:06:22.317] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(Clonkerbonker) "monkey" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:06:23.932] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(Clonkerbonker) "mmm" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:06:26.589] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(Clonkerbonker) "gunpowder" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:06:28.573] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(Clonkerbonker) "mmm" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:06:30.461] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(Clonkerbonker) "napalm" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:06:35.184] OOC: Pugaware/(Pugaware) "Fuck you clonker dont od that again" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:06:40.785] OOC: Pugaware/(Pugaware) "it makes a massive hole" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:06:42.092] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(Clonkerbonker) "you see" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:06:45.416] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(Clonkerbonker) "i did not light it" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:06:50.251] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(Clonkerbonker) "i was SELLING it" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:06:55.021] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(Clonkerbonker) "but someone came and lit it" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:06:59.135] OOC: Pugaware/(Pugaware) "ah yeah the good old guns dont klill ppl" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:07:05.285] OOC: Pugaware/(Pugaware) "stop making nuke monke" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:07:10.818] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(Clonkerbonker) "well, someone came and did it" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:07:16.019] OOC: Pugaware/(Pugaware) "it does a hol;e the size of a syndie bomb" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:07:21.281] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(Clonkerbonker) "yes and" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:07:34.442] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(Clonkerbonker) "what about it" (start area (8,248,1))
[2023-05-05 16:07:49.917] OOC: Pugaware/(Daria Morgendorffer) "you wont be able to claim it was an accdient" (Chief Engineer's Office (154,143,2))
[2023-05-05 16:07:54.975] OOC: Roozbeh/(David Kosovah) "You Are the changeling" (Departure Lounge (98,70,2))
[2023-05-05 16:07:55.755] OOC: Pugaware/(Daria Morgendorffer) "when you keep spamming them :D" (Chief Engineer's Office (154,143,2))
[2023-05-05 16:07:57.316] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "i didnt mean to blow it up there, it was a good i was gonna sell" (Restrooms (133,156,2))
[2023-05-05 16:09:21.352] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "they paypal the owner" (Central Primary Hallway (114,115,2))
This is from the START of the round ; you talking about something from the previous round where you're apparently distributing bombs? as a non antag? and without sufficient care that someone came along and blew a massive hole in somewhere? Care to give us the story of this conversation? Regardless, this is before the round and sets the stage for what's coming ; the same thing as just happened. Who could have seen that coming. The warnings from the community at the very end of this log are very accurate and prophetic.

And here's more context from the end of the round. I'm mildly curious to find the full context for some of these conversation fragments but I don't currently feel like I really need to dive deeper:

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[2023-05-05 17:28:18.520] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "its" (Emergency Shuttle (38,69,15))
[2023-05-05 17:28:20.293] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "napalm" (Emergency Shuttle (38,69,15))
[2023-05-05 17:28:24.989] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "guess whats in this monkey" (Emergency Shuttle (38,69,15))
[2023-05-05 17:28:30.743] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "thats correct" (Emergency Shuttle (38,69,15))
[2023-05-05 17:28:39.184] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "gunpowder" (Emergency Shuttle (38,69,15))
[2023-05-05 17:28:46.981] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "can i show?" (Emergency Shuttle (38,69,15))
[2023-05-05 17:28:55.571] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "youd die" (Emergency Shuttle (38,69,15))
[2023-05-05 17:29:09.077] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "i dont recommend" (Emergency Shuttle (38,69,15))
[2023-05-05 17:29:10.609] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "if i" (Emergency Shuttle (38,69,15))
[2023-05-05 17:29:14.526] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "i" (Emergency Shuttle (38,69,15))
[2023-05-05 17:29:18.744] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "need to try to time it" (Emergency Shuttle (38,69,15))
[2023-05-05 17:29:24.429] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "sec" (Emergency Shuttle (38,69,15))
[2023-05-05 17:29:28.729] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "i can stop the hijack" (Emergency Shuttle (37,68,15))
[2023-05-05 17:29:31.789] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "mind if i?" (Emergency Shuttle (37,68,15))
[2023-05-05 17:29:36.382] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "get the fuck out" (Emergency Shuttle (38,70,15))
[2023-05-05 17:29:45.306] ATTACK: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) attempted to inject *no key*/(monkey (495)) with the bluespace syringe which had /datum/reagent/napalm (60u, 0.785557 purity) (NEWHP: -137.3)  (Emergency Shuttle (38,68,15))
[2023-05-05 17:29:48.454] ATTACK: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) attempted to inject *no key*/(monkey (495)) with the bluespace syringe which had /datum/reagent/napalm (60u, 0.785557 purity) (NEWHP: -138.3)  (Emergency Shuttle (38,69,15))
[2023-05-05 17:30:10.055] EMOTE: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) points at the retro floor (Emergency Shuttle (39,67,15))
[2023-05-05 17:30:11.044] EMOTE: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) points at Angie Greenawalt (Emergency Shuttle (39,67,15))
[2023-05-05 17:30:13.819] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "hi hi jacker" (Emergency Shuttle (38,67,15))
[2023-05-05 17:30:32.224] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "fuck this shift" (Emergency Shuttle (38,68,15))
[2023-05-05 17:30:33.508] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "amirite" (Emergency Shuttle (38,68,15))
[2023-05-05 17:30:40.072] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "move back" (Emergency Shuttle (40,67,15))
[2023-05-05 17:30:41.638] ATTACK: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) attempted to inject *no key*/(monkey (495)) with the bluespace syringe which had /datum/reagent/napalm (60u, 0.785557 purity) (NEWHP: -173.8)  (Emergency Shuttle (41,67,15))
[2023-05-05 17:30:43.961] GAME: Reagent explosion reaction occurred at Emergency Shuttle (40,67,15). Last Fingerprint: clonkerbonker.
[2023-05-05 17:30:43.962] GAME: Explosion with size (3, 6, 13, 0) in (Emergency Shuttle (40,67,15)).  Possible cause: the monkey (495). Last fingerprints: clonkerbonker/(John Terry).
[2023-05-05 17:30:44.454] ATTACK: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) has died (BRUTE: 0, BURN: 0, TOX: 42.8, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0) (Emergency Shuttle (41,67,15))
[2023-05-05 17:30:44.482] ACCESS: Mob Login: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) was assigned to a /mob/living/brain
[2023-05-05 17:30:44.501] GAME: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) Client Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) has taken ownership of mob John Terry(/mob/living/brain) (UNKNOWN (?, ?, ?))
[2023-05-05 17:30:46.341] ACCESS: Mob Login: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
[2023-05-05 17:30:46.363] GAME: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) Client Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) has taken ownership of mob John Terry(/mob/dead/observer) (Emergency Shuttle (41,66,15))
[2023-05-05 17:31:03.396] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) (DEAD) "how the fuck did that" (Hyperspace (40,66,15))
[2023-05-05 17:31:19.352] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) (DEAD) "i didnt even give it napalm" (Hyperspace (40,66,15))
[2023-05-05 17:31:23.352] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) (DEAD) "how did it blow" (Hyperspace (40,66,15))
[2023-05-05 17:31:35.680] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) (DEAD) "oh" (Emergency Shuttle (211,87,1))
[2023-05-05 17:31:36.977] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) (DEAD) "yea" (Emergency Shuttle (211,93,1))
[2023-05-05 17:31:42.000] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) (DEAD) "zamn" (Emergency Shuttle (211,96,1))
[2023-05-05 17:31:53.778] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) (DEAD) "fuck this cap tho" (Emergency Shuttle (211,96,1))
[2023-05-05 17:31:57.503] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) (DEAD) "monkey" (Emergency Shuttle (212,94,1))
[2023-05-05 17:32:00.192] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) (DEAD) "superior" (Emergency Shuttle (212,94,1))
[2023-05-05 17:32:10.727] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) (DEAD) "sec was CLINICALLY INSANE" (Emergency Shuttle (212,94,1))
[2023-05-05 17:32:16.030] SAY: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) (DEAD) "fuck sec today" (Emergency Shuttle (212,94,1))
[2023-05-05 17:32:23.495] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "monkey" (Emergency Shuttle (212,94,1))
[2023-05-05 17:32:31.262] OOC: Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) "monkey" (Emergency Shuttle (212,94,1))
I dont actually know if the reagent transfer completed, I'd need to do some log testing to see if the explosion effect trumps the completion of the injection message or anything like that, regardless, you tried, and the whole lead up to the explosion "i can stop the hijack" "get the fuck out" <multiple inject attempts going on> "move back", all the while messing around with your bomb monkey, the final inject attempt being about 2 seconds before it explodes. But even if you didn't inject it, dragging a bomb onto the shuttle and around the burning areas doesn't bode well for you.

Honestly going in to this, if you had a clean enough history and stuff I was considering giving you a nice soft cap of a week for your actions if it seemed like it was just gross stupidity and not really thinking about things. But then I read these additional log segments in more detail, particularly the round start OOC. You know exactly what the risks are. In fact by the sounds of it you got away with something in the previous round that you should have been bwoinked for. Unless you can offer some explanation?

As such, my feeling has shifted, I have no intention of reducing the two week ban, I suspect you may have gotten away with something more here, but for certain you had direct experience of the consequences and knew exactly what could happen, and it did.

Over to you if you have anything to counter any of these points or additional information you can provide that might shift my opinion here.
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Re: [Iain0] Clonkerbonker 14 day ban

Post by ClonkerBonker » #684315

I wanted to sell the bomb monkeys, for credits. I mean, scientists sell ttvs sometimes, people sell grenades, why not sell monkeys? that earlier round some shitter ran up and lit it on fire, at which point i told everyone to leave bar. anyways that was for the bar monkey round. The inject did not finish in the cockpit, the syringe had the napalm still. The rooms heat was enough to set off my hiqhly volatile monkey. I understand if you do not reduce the time, i was asking cap do i let em hijack or do i make it impossible, which since there was no answer, i didnt. I tried waiting for the 10 second mark to inject but at 13 seconds before cc the heat made the powder go boom. I understand your points, and ill try to set up my own private testing server to make my eorg plans less likely to cause premature death. I apologise for what happened.
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Re: [Iain0] Clonkerbonker 14 day ban

Post by iain0 » #684559

Not going to reduce this. Don't distribute explosives as a non antag, and if you're going to just haul them around and some antag sets them off, don't expect to shirk responsibility either, you will be expected to take reasonable levels of precaution as a non-antag with such things. Bottom line, taking a gunpowder filled monkey onto the shuttle is going to be a disaster quite often given the usual environment on a shuttle, and you're well aware what the results will be when/if that happens, thus at a minimum fully accountable for the consequences, and additional questions given your awareness of what those will be.

Particularly in light of the previous rounds activities both as their own dubious episode but also as foreshadowing, illumination and in OOC forewarning for events that follow, the choices made here seem particularly poor, and thus my decision to stick to the two weeks.

Appeal denied.
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