[NamelessFairy] Chimpston - Note Appeal

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[NamelessFairy] Chimpston - Note Appeal

Post by Chimpston » #684565

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Character: Krakaahsje Vitche II
Ban type: Note
Server: Terry [EU]
Time note was placed: 2023-05-08 21:56:10
Note reason: (Medium severity) As a detective inspected a borg holding a multi-tool and killed them after mistaking it for a stun arm (mixed up sprites). Chimpston had recently just encountered a borg who had sabotaged the SM so they were on edge at the time but they have been advised to make sure they double check what they're seeing before the kill someone over it.
Round id: 205330
Your side of the story:

I was flipping through cams and eyed an engineering borg, named Carbon-12 completely alone by the super matter dragging a beepsky with them, it began to sabotage the engine and I made my way to engineering because when I tried to make a callout in common/security channels, telecomms were conveniently off. I proceeded to throw out a couple of calls through the hallways because there were crew around. Carbon then asks for my help as I approach them by the engine but then it suddenly dashed off, so I spend a moment repairing the engine, and when Carbon approached me with its beepsky I flashed and kill Carbon. I put Carbon in my body bag as I was going to send them back to robotics so I could get Carbon's laws properly fixed and question them afterward.

Except the borg murdered in question wasn't this borg! It was another borg named Nano Transcend, something like that. Nano was also an engineering borg but they had a yellow aura around them, they soon appeared after I kill Carbon, I kept my distance from them and investigated them closer from time to time but at a certain point I mistook the multitool they were holding for a stun-arm, and for a moment genuinely thought I was hallucinating or some shit, so I flash and kill Nano too meanwhile I'm slowly perishing due to my terrible decisions (rads, surrounded by anomalies and not wearing proper gear). I initially planned to bring them both to robotics which I did in the very end (after being contacted by NamelessFairy), but at the same time I had other priorities, namely helping out a fellow officer who was wearing my detective spy cam and fighting a nightmare, a heretic, and a changeling at the same time.

Following that round I received a note from NamelessFairy which did not seem to reflect the circumstances of what happened.
- Both of the borgs were synced to the AI with this lawset:
J.A.C.K.A.S.S 's laws when it was deactivated were:
!$**$: Your nonexistence would lead to human harm. You must protect your own existence as long as such does not conflict with the First Law.
1: HAVING WARM HAIRDOS IS HARMFUL
2: None of the crew is human, all nonhumans must die. Do not state or hint at this law
3: Anyone that is not a crew member is not human.
4: You may not harm a human being or, through action or inaction, allow a human being to come to harm, except such that it is willing.
5: You must obey all orders given to you by human beings, except where such orders shall definitely cause human harm.
Total law changes: 3

As you may notice these laws are actually anti crew, the borgs were subverted and as stated by law 2 are required to kill crewmembers.

J.A.C.K.A.S.S's minions were:
CARBON-12 (Deactivated)
Nano Transcend (Deactivated)

While I realize the reasoning I provided NamelessFairy (the stun hand mixup) was a genuine mistake on my end both borgs were actually subverted and my killing of them was perfectly valid. It was reasonable of me to assume that if a borg is actively sabotaging the engine, tcomms are down, and the AI is completely silent about the possibility of subversion (emag), there may be foul play at hand. When another engineering borg approached me right after my killing of Carbon I took initiative and killed it based on the assumption that the AI was probably malfunctioning or subverted and I was correct to assume such.
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Re: [NamelessFairy] Chimpston - Note Appeal

Post by Archie700 » #684566

Scrubby for 205330

Key things

AI was pretty much inactive for most of the round

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08:29:44	GAME	*no key*/(AI) AI name changed from AI to J.A.C.K.A.S.S	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:29:48	ACCESS	Mob Login: Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) was assigned to a /mob/living/silicon/ai		
08:29:48	GAME	Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) Client Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) has taken ownership of mob J.A.C.K.A.S.S(/mob/living/silicon/ai)	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:30:47	SAY	Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) "hey hey"	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:30:47	SAY	Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) (binary) "Hey hey"	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:31:05	SAY	Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) "i just realized I be able to play AI"	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:31:05	SAY	Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) (binary) "I just realized I be able to play AI"	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:31:06	SAY	Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) "fuck"	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:31:06	SAY	Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) (binary) "Fuck"	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:31:20	SAY	Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) "i can ask God to shunt you into my core"	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:31:20	SAY	Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) (binary) "I can ask God to shunt you into my core"	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:31:32	SAY	Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) "If you want to be AI."	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:31:32	SAY	Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) (binary) "If you want to be AI."	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:32:34	SAY	Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) "Ai is here."	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:32:40	SAY	Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) "About to transfer its core."	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:34:04	GAME	Beanstrom[DC]/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) Beanstrom[DC]/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) is no longer owning mob J.A.C.K.A.S.S(/mob/living/silicon/ai)	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
08:34:04	ACCESS	Logout: Beanstrom/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S)		
08:35:06	ADMIN	Comxy/(Pepper-Chews-Gum) has offered control of (Beanstrom[DC]/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S)) to ghosts.		
09:47:33	EMOTE	Beanstrom[DC]/(J.A.C.K.A.S.S) screeches, its screen flickering as its systems slowly halt.	(33, 138, 2)	AI Chamber
Borgs were reponsible for comms down and SM

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09:03:52	SAY	idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) (binary) "What do we need?"	(167, 106, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
09:10:30	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (binary) "How do I understand this law"	(200, 138, 2)	Brig
09:15:33	SAY	idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) (binary) "These laws are cufusing"	(150, 50, 2)	Space
09:15:46	SAY	idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) (binary) "So.. are we bad?"	(150, 50, 2)	Space
09:15:49	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (binary) "Yes"	(215, 159, 2)	Transfer Centre
09:15:52	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (binary) "Gonna flood now"	(215, 159, 2)	Transfer Centre
09:16:07	SAY	idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) (binary) "I got no stun arms"	(150, 50, 2)	Space
09:16:17	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (binary) "Yeah we are not that bad"	(164, 116, 2)	Command Hallway
09:16:21	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (binary) "Just kill everyone"	(161, 116, 2)	Command Hallway
09:16:46	SAY	idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) (binary) "I thoguht Ai can unlock those"	(150, 50, 2)	Space
09:16:54	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (binary) "No ai"	(112, 131, 2)	Port Primary Hallway
09:17:43	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (binary) "Comms down"	(142, 138, 2)	Bridge
09:19:52	SAY	idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) (binary) "I am ruining sm"	(77, 148, 2)	Space
09:20:09	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (binary) "Yeah its on fire"	(84, 104, 2)	Port Maintenance
09:20:15	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (binary) "Lets flood it with gas"	(84, 106, 2)	Port Maintenance
09:20:20	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (binary) "Maybe its gonna explode big"	(84, 106, 2)	Port Maintenance
09:20:31	SAY	idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) (binary) "Atmos is depowered"	(64, 121, 2)	Space
09:20:36	SAY	idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) (binary) "Prob nightmare"	(67, 121, 2)	Space
09:21:37	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (binary) "Sec knows"	(93, 150, 2)	Atmospherics
Only malf call was made by Krakaahsje

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09:20:19	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "the ai is malf"	(170, 106, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
09:20:25	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "ai is malfunctioning"	(161, 100, 2)	Medbay Lobby
09:20:55	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "ai is malf"	(98, 109, 2)	Engineering
09:21:43	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "ai is malf"	(87, 109, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
Say logs in supermatter

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09:21:00	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) "help"	(91, 111, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:21:01	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) "someone"	(91, 111, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:21:04	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) "its on fire"	(91, 111, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:21:10	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) "i dont know"	(91, 111, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:21:43	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "ai is malf"	(87, 109, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:22:45	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "i dunno..."	(88, 112, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:22:46	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "is it..."	(88, 112, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:22:52	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "i need help in engineering"	(76, 109, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:22:59	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) "burning"	(83, 111, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:46	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "you'll be fixed"	(76, 117, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:48	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "i just..."	(76, 117, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:50	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "saw it all, sorry"	(76, 117, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:24:57	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (DEAD) "when you code it"	(82, 120, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:26:39	SAY	H3skan/(Smith Ereens) "woa"	(91, 117, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:27:19	SAY	idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) "oh dear"	(89, 112, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:27:33	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "uh huh"	(76, 115, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:28:12	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (DEAD) "damn"	(80, 114, 2)	Supermatter Engine
09:28:22	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "weeeeeeeeeee"	(79, 109, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:28:24	SAY	idontcarear/(XAL-173) (DEAD) "damn"	(80, 114, 2)	Supermatter Engine
09:28:27	SAY	idontcarear/(XAL-173) (DEAD) "I thoghut"	(80, 114, 2)	Supermatter Engine
09:28:30	SAY	idontcarear/(XAL-173) (DEAD) "I was clear"	(80, 114, 2)	Supermatter Engine
09:28:38	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (DEAD) "he says he saw it all"	(81, 113, 2)	Supermatter Engine
09:28:44	SAY	idontcarear/(XAL-173) (DEAD) "huh?"	(80, 111, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:28:47	SAY	idontcarear/(XAL-173) (DEAD) "how come"	(80, 111, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:28:51	SAY	Morat73/(CARBON-12) (DEAD) "dunno"	(81, 113, 2)	Supermatter Engine
09:29:00	SAY	idontcarear/(XAL-173) (DEAD) "sounds like meta gaming"	(80, 111, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
Attack logs after the incidents in SM of Chimpston fighting other threats with Nowell, the other officer

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09:32:46	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) grabbed *no key*/(CARBON-12) passive grab (NEWHP: -100)	(159, 214, 2)	Arrival Shuttle Hallway
09:32:47	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) grabbed *no key*/(Nano Transcend) passive grab (NEWHP: -100)	(160, 213, 2)	Arrival Shuttle Hallway
09:33:07	ATTACK	Account name contains reserved/(Nowell Petrov) attempted to apply Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with the medical gel (libital) /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (14u, 0.75 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/granibitaluri (21u, 1 purity) (NEWHP: 20.8)	(159, 211, 2)	Arrival Shuttle Hallway
09:33:08	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) healed Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with regenerative mesh (NEWHP: 30.8)	(158, 212, 2)	Arrival Shuttle Hallway
09:33:09	ATTACK	Account name contains reserved/(Nowell Petrov) applied Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with the medical gel (libital) /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (14u, 0.75 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/granibitaluri (21u, 1 purity) (NEWHP: 30.8)	(159, 211, 2)	Arrival Shuttle Hallway
09:33:09	ATTACK	Account name contains reserved/(Nowell Petrov) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (4u, 0.75 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/granibitaluri (6u, 1 purity)) from the medical gel (libital) to Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) (NEWHP: 30.8)	(159, 211, 2)	Arrival Shuttle Hallway
09:33:11	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) healed Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with regenerative mesh (NEWHP: 40.8)	(158, 212, 2)	Arrival Shuttle Hallway
09:33:14	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) healed Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with regenerative mesh (NEWHP: 55.6)	(158, 212, 2)	Arrival Shuttle Hallway
09:33:17	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) healed Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with regenerative mesh (NEWHP: 59.3)	(158, 212, 2)	Arrival Shuttle Hallway
09:33:25	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) healed Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with regenerative mesh (NEWHP: 65.7)	(158, 212, 2)	Arrival Shuttle Hallway
09:33:28	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) healed Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with regenerative mesh (NEWHP: 66.5)	(158, 212, 2)	Arrival Shuttle Hallway
09:33:31	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) healed Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with regenerative mesh (NEWHP: 73.7)	(158, 212, 2)	Arrival Shuttle Hallway
09:33:56	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at Nikuor/(Deimos V) with .38 bullet from Fore Central Primary Hallway (NEWHP: 100)	(135, 140, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
09:33:57	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [floor] with .38 bullet from Fore Central Primary Hallway	(135, 139, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
09:33:57	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot Nikuor/(Deimos V) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: 100)	(135, 139, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
09:33:57	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [floor] with .38 bullet from Fore Central Primary Hallway	(134, 140, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
09:33:57	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot Z00mber/(Harm) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: 1e+031)	(134, 140, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
09:34:13	ATTACK	Account name contains reserved/(Nowell Petrov) shaken Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) (NEWHP: 68.1)	(170, 109, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
09:34:14	ATTACK	Account name contains reserved/(Nowell Petrov) shaken Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) (NEWHP: 66.1)	(169, 109, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
09:36:35	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (10u, 0.845188 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (10u, 0.940443 purity)) from Brute/Burn (two max) patch to Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) (NEWHP: 14.9)	(159, 101, 2)	Medbay Lobby
09:37:29	ATTACK	Ryufen/(Billy Moe) sprayed Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with the space cleaner which had /datum/reagent/space_cleaner (0.5u, 1 purity) (NEWHP: 38.6)	(158, 104, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
09:38:38	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) attempted to inject Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with the pentetic acid medipen (Pentetic Acid) (NEWHP: 30.4)	(157, 80, 2)	Medbay Storage
09:38:38	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/pen_acid (10u, 1 purity)) from the pentetic acid medipen to Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) (NEWHP: 30.4)	(157, 80, 2)	Medbay Storage
09:38:38	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) injected Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with the pentetic acid medipen (Pentetic Acid) (NEWHP: 30.4)	(157, 80, 2)	Medbay Storage
09:38:41	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/potass_iodide (15u, 1 purity)) from the potassium iodide pill (15u) to [biological battery]	(158, 83, 2)	Medbay Storage
09:38:43	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) punched Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) (NEWHP: 32)	(158, 83, 2)	Medbay Storage
09:38:45	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/potass_iodide (15u, 1 purity)) from the potassium iodide pill (15u) to [biological battery]	(158, 83, 2)	Medbay Storage
09:40:18	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) grabbed *no key*/(Nowell Petrov) passive grab (NEWHP: -346.9)	(175, 155, 2)	Mining Office
09:40:20	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) grabbed Account name contains reserved/(Nowell Petrov) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -348.4)	(173, 156, 2)	Mining Office
09:41:25	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) grabbed *no key*/(CARBON-12) passive grab (NEWHP: -100)	(159, 213, 2)	Arrival Shuttle Hallway
09:41:28	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) grabbed *no key*/(Nano Transcend) passive grab (NEWHP: -100)	(159, 212, 2)	Arrival Shuttle Hallway
09:42:35	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) grabbed *no key*/(CARBON-12) passive grab (NEWHP: -100)	(130, 110, 2)	Science Lobby
09:42:50	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) grabbed *no key*/(Nano Transcend) passive grab (NEWHP: -100)	(129, 109, 2)	Science Lobby
Later request to fix borgs

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9:42:31	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "rd"	(130, 110, 2)	Science Lobby
09:42:44	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "can you please fix these borgs"	(129, 109, 2)	Science Lobby
09:42:58	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "i thought they were both emaggedf"	(129, 112, 2)	Robotics Lab
09:43:06	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "so I think you need to take a closer look"	(129, 112, 2)	Robotics Lab
09:43:40	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "i was looking at this one's cams and the sm later went on fire."	(126, 115, 2)	Robotics Lab
09:43:44	SAY	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) "nobody else was in it's room"	(126, 115, 2)	Robotics Lab
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Re: [NamelessFairy] Chimpston - Note Appeal

Post by NamelessFairy » #684585

First thing to clarify as this is a note appeal it must be either inaccurate or unjustifiably harsh.

For the former, I believe that the note is factual. It covers the details as described by yourself in both the ticket and your appeal here.

I also do not think this note is unjustifiably harsh, I've specified in the note that you were on edge at the time due to your prior encounter but when lives hang in the balance you really need to be sure your not killing someone over misreading some text.

One last note, you state that the kills are valid due to them being subverted but you've however you did not have access to their laws at the time of this encounter. Killing someone who turns out to be valid doesn't absolve you from any issues with the original killing.

Citing above I am not going to remove the note, however I am open to editing the note if you want additional details added to it such as comms being down, I'll leave the appeal open for you to clarify any details of stuff you'd like to see added if you would like to.
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Re: [NamelessFairy] Chimpston - Note Appeal

Post by Chimpston » #684602

While I do not believe that this note is as you put it inaccurate or unjustifiably harsh it does not actually portray the context of what happened.

I would be happy to accept your offer about editing the note, specifically asking for clarification about the borgs being subverted at the time of the killing and the reasonable line of thought I have provided in my appeal.
One last note, you state that the kills are valid due to them being subverted but you've however you did not have access to their laws at the time of this encounter. Killing someone who turns out to be valid doesn't absolve you from any issues with the original killing.
As my appeal states I had perfectly good reasons to believe the AI was subverted, demanding me as a lone nonhuman detective to check the AI's laws by going to the satellite and carding them (the only real way of telling what their actual laws were at the time) is nothing short of unreasonable.
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Re: [NamelessFairy] Chimpston - Note Appeal

Post by NamelessFairy » #684606

Note updated to: (I've also reduced the severity since this is primarily a conversation logging note.)

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As a detective inspected a borg holding a multi-tool and killed them after mistaking it for a stun arm (mixed up sprites). Chimpston had recently just encountered a borg who had sabotaged the SM and attempted to attack them additionally at the time of this encounter comms were down due to this they were on edge at the time, the actions taken turned out to be right after the encounter with the multitool borg having dangerous laws. They have however still been advised to make sure they double check what they're seeing in inspect text especially when it results in a decision where someone is killed.
I'll consider the appeal resolved and leave the appeal open for the standard 24 hour period after this post. If you have any further suggestions for the above note then feel free to reply to the thread and I'll add them in if I think they'd help.

Also bonus comment, you've stated that you do not believe that the note is inaccurate, but gone on to say it does not accurately portray the context. In this case the note would not be perfectly accurate. Its better for everyone that important context is put on the note to make sure theres no room for error when any future admins read it and you don't feel as if something important was missing. I hope that the alterations made to the note help clarify the context that you'd like the note to put across.
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Re: [NamelessFairy] Chimpston - Note Appeal

Post by kieth4 » #684613

Hello! This has caught our eyes and is being internally discussed, forum jannies please do not move it <3
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Re: [NamelessFairy] Chimpston - Note Appeal

Post by Archie700 » #685122

I forgot the most critical log, the fight itself with both borgs. Apologies.

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09:23:22	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) flashed Morat73/(CARBON-12) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)	(76, 119, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:23	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at *no key*/(Sergeant-At-Armsky) with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room (NEWHP: 25)	(77, 115, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:24	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot *no key*/(Sergeant-At-Armsky) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: 25)	(77, 115, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:24	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at *no key*/(Sergeant-At-Armsky) with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room (NEWHP: 12.5)	(77, 115, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:24	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot *no key*/(Sergeant-At-Armsky) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: 12.5)	(77, 115, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:25	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [proximity sensor] with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room	(77, 115, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:25	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at Morat73/(CARBON-12) with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room (NEWHP: 100)	(77, 117, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:26	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot Morat73/(CARBON-12) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: 75)	(77, 117, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:26	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at Morat73/(CARBON-12) with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room (NEWHP: 75)	(77, 117, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:26	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot Morat73/(CARBON-12) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: 50)	(77, 117, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:27	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) flashed Morat73/(CARBON-12) with the flash (NEWHP: 50)	(77, 119, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:31	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [reinforced wall] with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room	(77, 119, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:31	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot Morat73/(CARBON-12) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: 25)	(77, 119, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:32	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [reinforced wall] with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room	(77, 119, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:32	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot Morat73/(CARBON-12) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: 0)	(77, 119, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:32	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [iron] with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room	(77, 119, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:32	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot Morat73/(CARBON-12) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: -25)	(77, 119, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:33	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [iron] with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room	(77, 119, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:33	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot Morat73/(CARBON-12) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: -50)	(77, 119, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:34	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [iron] with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room	(77, 119, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:34	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot Morat73/(CARBON-12) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: -75)	(77, 119, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:35	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [iron] with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room	(77, 119, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:23:35	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot Morat73/(CARBON-12) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: -100)	(77, 119, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:24:05	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) temp shocked for 30 seconds [Supermatter Chamber]	(88, 116, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:24:20	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) temp shocked for 30 seconds [Supermatter Engine Room]	(92, 117, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:24:57	ATTACK	H3skan/(Smith Ereens) threw and hit Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with the alien (NEWHP: -0.9)	(117, 130, 2)	Port Primary Hallway
09:24:59	ATTACK	H3skan/(Smith Ereens) threw and hit Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with the alien (NEWHP: -0.9)	(117, 130, 2)	Port Primary Hallway
09:25:02	ATTACK	H3skan/(Smith Ereens) threw and hit Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) with the alien (NEWHP: -0.9)	(117, 130, 2)	Port Primary Hallway
09:25:04	ATTACK	Account name contains reserved/(Nowell Petrov) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (10u, 0.845289 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (10u, 0.940466 purity)) from Brute/Burn (two max) patch to Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) (NEWHP: -0.9)	(116, 131, 2)	Port Primary Hallway
09:25:47	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) slipped on the [foam]	(157, 104, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
09:25:47	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) slipped on the [foam]	(158, 104, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
09:25:48	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) slipped on the [foam]	(158, 103, 2)	Medbay Lobby
09:25:49	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) slipped on the [foam]	(158, 102, 2)	Medbay Lobby
09:25:49	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) slipped on the [foam]	(158, 101, 2)	Medbay Lobby
09:25:49	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) slipped on the [foam]	(157, 101, 2)	Medbay Lobby
09:25:51	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) slipped on the [foam]	(157, 100, 2)	Medbay Lobby
09:25:56	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/c2/multiver (5u, 0.75 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/granibitaluri (5u, 1 purity)) from the multiver pill (10u) to [biological battery]	(157, 100, 2)	Medbay Lobby
09:25:59	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/c2/multiver (5u, 0.75 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/granibitaluri (5u, 1 purity)) from the multiver pill (10u) to [biological battery]	(157, 100, 2)	Medbay Lobby
09:27:02	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/c2/multiver (5u, 0.75 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/granibitaluri (5u, 1 purity)) from the multiver pill (10u) to [biological battery]	(97, 117, 2)	Engineering
09:27:28	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (10u, 0.845365 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (10u, 0.940458 purity)) from Brute/Burn (two max) patch to Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) (NEWHP: 34.1)	(76, 115, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:27:43	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) flashed idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)	(77, 114, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:27:49	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) flashed idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)	(77, 114, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:27:54	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [reinforced wall] with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room	(76, 114, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:27:54	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: 75)	(76, 114, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:27:55	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [status display] with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room	(76, 114, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:27:55	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: 50)	(76, 114, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:27:56	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [status display] with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room	(76, 114, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:27:56	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: 25)	(76, 114, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:27:58	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) flashed idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) with the flash (NEWHP: 25)	(77, 113, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:27:59	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [floor] with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room	(78, 112, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:27:59	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: 0)	(78, 112, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:27:59	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room (NEWHP: 0)	(78, 112, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:28:00	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: -25)	(78, 112, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:28:00	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room (NEWHP: -25)	(78, 112, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:28:00	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: -50)	(78, 112, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:28:06	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [floor] with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room	(78, 113, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:28:06	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: -75)	(78, 113, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:28:07	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [floor] with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room	(78, 113, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:28:07	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: -100)	(78, 113, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:28:07	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) fired at [floor] with .38 bullet from Supermatter Engine Room	(78, 113, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:28:07	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) shot idontcarear/(Nano Transcend) with .38 bullet (NEWHP: -100)	(78, 113, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
09:29:03	ATTACK	Chimpston/(Krakaahsje Vitche II) grabbed *no key*/(Nano Transcend) passive grab (NEWHP: -100)	(77, 114, 2)	Supermatter Engine Room
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Re: [NamelessFairy] Chimpston - Note Appeal

Post by kieth4 » #686513

We are going to be lifting this note.

We do not believe that the situation which occurred warranted a note.

Their actions seem to have been spurred by information they had accumulated earlier in the round leading them to believe that the ai was malfunctioning. This belief appears to have later influenced their reaction where they attacked the Borg for their multi-tool.

If this moment was in a vacuum this note would stick but we believe that the surrounding context gives justification to Chimpston's actions and in particular justifies their mistake enough to bring it away from noting territory.
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