[Epicgamer545] Muffindrake - incorrectly accused of valid hunting

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[Epicgamer545] Muffindrake - incorrectly accused of valid hunting

Post by Muffindrake » #684645

BYOND account: Muffindrake
Character name: Baal-Fur
Ban type: note
Ban length: -
Ban reason: (MRP) Was asked to review MRP Rule 4 about validhunting on MRP servers. I suggest in the future, that you only hunt down threats that specifically pose a threat to you or the station globally.
Time ban was placed: 2023-05-09 23:41:53
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 205392
Your side of the story: I made a teleprod for self-defense since we had a ninja lurking around engineering in that shift, who (as far as I can surmise) stole my ID off my character while I was SSD. Some time later, the ninja blew up the Brig, which we tried to fix. When I arrived at the brig, the ninja attempted to brazenly drag the HoS locker out of their half-destroyed office, which I attempted to halt while yelling for help over comms. I was peppered by several throwing stars over the following minutes since I couldn't see the ninja in the bad conditions, and eventually managed to get out of brig with the locker which I could hand to the (no longer SSD) HoS. I was then carted to medbay by a fellow atmos tech.

After spending some time in medbay, I wanted to grab the laser guns out of the destroyed armory and hand them to the crew to give them a better fighting chance, since the Brig was abandoned by security anyway. I grabbed two laser guns and dragged the third behind me, then headed through the sec corridor to the bridge, and was planning to head to medbay, but I noticed Aiden in a scuffle with another crew member. It looked like a lethal conflict, and since their holoparasites were out, I used the guns to down them, and finished them with a few hits of my Jaws of Life in the ensuing fight.

There was at least one sec officer who was incredibly angry at the apparent apathy of his fellow sec officers in that shift, who was directly delimbed by Aiden.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I run into an antag by chance in an unlikely scenario where the brig is blown up and I intend to hand the unguarded weapons to the crew. According to that admin I am completely full of shit and am obviously a valid hunting bastard who doesn't care about the rules. I don't deserve this note.
Anything else we should know: Requesting headmin review, since the admin made it clear they don't care to chance their mind.
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Re: [Epicgamer545] Muffindrake - incorrectly accused of valid hunting

Post by Epicgamer545 » #684852

Hey there, thanks for making an appeal.

Just to make it clear, I did not make the claim that I don’t want to change my mind. I’m willing to learn from mistaken notes, whatever they may be, and I would like to look into this and make an input before headmin review is requested, if you will allow me. The reason why I didn’t want to talk about the note in the ticket was because I didn’t want to get into an argument and it was the end of the round. So, sorry for not clearing it up earlier.

I do not have the personal time to respond yet, and I would like to get additional information first, so this may take a while before I open up with my response. In the meantime, I recommend you catch up with the Note Appeal rules so this can go smoothly as possible.

(EDITED FOR CLARITY, I suck at grammar)
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Re: [Epicgamer545] Muffindrake - incorrectly accused of valid hunting

Post by Archie700 » #684910

Ok, since Scrubby is somehow not saving Manuel logs and statbus is apparently gone, I had to take the parsed logs directly.

Game
Attack
Crafting

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Ninja stealing Baal's ID

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[2023-05-09 22:47:03.155] ATTACK: Chemistrymain2/(Master Eater) is stripping Muffindrake[DC]/(Baal-Fur) of Baal-Fur (Atmospheric Technician). (Atmospherics (123,95,4))
[2023-05-09 22:47:07.279] ATTACK: Chemistrymain2/(Master Eater) has stripped Muffindrake[DC]/(Baal-Fur) of Baal-Fur (Atmospheric Technician). (Atmospherics (123,95,4))
Baal crafting a teleprod in response

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2023-05-09 22:58:34 [mob_3569] (122,91,4) || Reginald Pole (muffindrake) crafted iron rod
2023-05-09 22:59:17 [mob_3569] (122,91,4) || Reginald Pole (muffindrake) crafted Teleprod
Ninja attacking Baal:

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[2023-05-09 23:07:45.542] ATTACK: Chemistrymain2/(Master Eater) has thrown the ninja throwing star  (Security Office (109,184,4))
[2023-05-09 23:07:45.649] ATTACK: Chemistrymain2/(Master Eater) threw and hit Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) with the ninja throwing star (NEWHP: 65.9)  (Security Office (109,184,4))
[2023-05-09 23:07:52.937] ATTACK: Chemistrymain2/(Master Eater) has thrown the ninja throwing star  (Brig Overlook (110,180,4))
[2023-05-09 23:07:52.960] ATTACK: Chemistrymain2/(Master Eater) threw and hit Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) with the ninja throwing star (NEWHP: 62.3)  (Brig Overlook (110,180,4))
[2023-05-09 23:07:56.435] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) grabbed The Trollinator/(Jack Faqua) passive grab (NEWHP: 92.5)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (147,128,4))
[2023-05-09 23:07:57.351] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) grabbed The Trollinator/(Jack Faqua) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 92.5)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (147,128,4))
[2023-05-09 23:07:57.840] ATTACK: Chemistrymain2/(Master Eater) has thrown the ninja throwing star  (Brig Overlook (109,176,4))
[2023-05-09 23:07:57.981] ATTACK: Chemistrymain2/(Master Eater) threw and hit Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) with the ninja throwing star (NEWHP: 57.3)  (Brig Overlook (109,176,4))
[2023-05-09 23:08:01.860] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) grabbed The Trollinator/(Jack Faqua) passive grab (NEWHP: 92.5)  (Medbay Lobby (148,126,4))
[2023-05-09 23:08:05.078] ATTACK: Chemistrymain2/(Master Eater) has thrown the ninja throwing star  (Brig Overlook (110,180,4))
[2023-05-09 23:08:05.223] ATTACK: Chemistrymain2/(Master Eater) threw and hit Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) with the ninja throwing star (NEWHP: 49.8)  (Brig Overlook (110,180,4))
[2023-05-09 23:08:19.209] ATTACK: Chemistrymain2/(Master Eater) has thrown the ninja throwing star  (Brig Overlook (108,177,4))
[2023-05-09 23:08:19.312] ATTACK: Chemistrymain2/(Master Eater) threw and hit Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) with the ninja throwing star (NEWHP: 43.7)  (Brig Overlook (108,177,4))
Aiden's fight with security (Baal was involved)

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[2023-05-09 23:16:03.400] ATTACK: Tolly404/(Elanil Sommer) crashed into Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) (NEWHP: 87.8)  (Medbay Lobby (147,123,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:04.846] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) stun attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 98.5)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,97,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:09.596] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attempted to handcuff Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) (NEWHP: 98.5)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,90,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:10.590] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) failed to handcuff Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) (NEWHP: 98.5)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,90,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:10.875] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) (NEWHP: 99)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,90,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:11.518] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) grabbed Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) passive grab (NEWHP: 98.5)  (Aft Primary Hallway (112,90,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:13.910] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) (NEWHP: 88.9)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,96,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:15.476] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) (NEWHP: 78.8)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,94,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:17.170] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) stun attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 98.5)  (Aft Primary Hallway (112,90,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:17.342] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) (NEWHP: 68.7)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,90,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:18.707] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 88.5)  (Aft Primary Hallway (112,87,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:20.016] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 81)  (Aft Primary Hallway (110,87,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:20.035] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) pulled from Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) with Murderous Queen (NEWHP: 58.5)  (Aft Primary Hallway (111,87,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:20.054] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) grabbed Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) passive grab (NEWHP: 81)  (Aft Primary Hallway (112,87,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:21.002] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 71)  (Aft Primary Hallway (111,87,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:21.317] ATTACK: Learner/(Ophiuchus Y) attacked Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) with boxcutter (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 1e+031)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,87,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:22.173] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 56)  (Aft Primary Hallway (112,88,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:22.511] ATTACK: Learner/(Ophiuchus Y) attacked Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) with boxcutter (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 1e+031)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,90,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:23.127] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 41)  (Aft Primary Hallway (112,90,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:23.782] ATTACK: Learner/(Ophiuchus Y) attacked Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) with boxcutter (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 1e+031)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,93,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:24.892] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 26)  (Aft Primary Hallway (112,91,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:31.915] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attempted to handcuff Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) (NEWHP: 26)  (Aft Primary Hallway (112,88,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:32.050] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) failed to handcuff Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) (NEWHP: 26)  (Aft Primary Hallway (112,88,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:32.715] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked [reinforced window] (Aft Primary Hallway (114,89,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:33.416] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attempted to handcuff Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) (NEWHP: 26)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,88,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:33.671] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) failed to handcuff Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) (NEWHP: 26)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,88,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:39.246] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) (NEWHP: 58.5)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,97,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:39.818] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/consumable/ethanol/syndicatebomb (5u, 1 purity)) from Syndicate Bomb to [stomach] (Aft Primary Hallway (113,98,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:40.505] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) (NEWHP: 50.9)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,97,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:41.665] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) (NEWHP: 40.8)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,101,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:42.322] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) stun attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 26)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,104,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:43.957] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) (NEWHP: 33.7)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,100,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:45.017] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 16)  (Aft Primary Hallway (114,101,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:46.055] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 6)  (Aft Primary Hallway (114,101,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:46.340] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) (NEWHP: 23.6)  (Aft Primary Hallway (114,101,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:46.726] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/iron (2.5u, 1 purity), /datum/reagent/consumable/nutriment/vitamin (2.5u, 1 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/rezadone (5u, 0.791152 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/omnizine (5u, 1 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (5u, 0.820069 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (5u, 0.935572 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/salbutamol (5u, 0.860224 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/seiver (5u, 0.775227 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (5u, 0.701153 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/aiuri (5u, 0.345156 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/mine_salve (5u, 0.694409 purity)) from I NEED HEALING pill to [stomach] (Aft Primary Hallway (114,101,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:47.586] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attacked Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 1e+031)  (Aft Primary Hallway (114,100,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:48.050] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) (NEWHP: 13.4)  (Aft Primary Hallway (114,100,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:48.841] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -9)  (Aft Primary Hallway (112,102,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:49.032] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) (NEWHP: 3.3)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,101,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:50.118] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) (NEWHP: 3.3)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,106,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:51.919] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) grabbed Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) passive grab (NEWHP: -1.2)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,104,4))
[2023-05-09 23:16:57.709] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) stun attacked Learner/(Ophiuchus Y) with the teleprod (NEWHP: 92.4)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,103,4))
[2023-05-09 23:18:03.268] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) stun attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 100)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,108,4))
[2023-05-09 23:18:06.526] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) (NEWHP: 15.6)  (Aft Primary Hallway (114,103,4))
[2023-05-09 23:18:06.953] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 90)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,102,4))
[2023-05-09 23:18:07.415] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) (NEWHP: 5.5)  (Aft Primary Hallway (114,101,4))
[2023-05-09 23:18:13.310] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) attempted to inject Chappygart/(Kevin 'Oops' McFall) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/romerol (10u, 1 purity) (NEWHP: -88.3)  (Aft Primary Hallway (114,100,4))
[2023-05-09 23:18:14.347] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) grabbed Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) passive grab (NEWHP: 95)  (Aft Primary Hallway (114,99,4))
[2023-05-09 23:18:15.753] ATTACK: Finder559/(Betelgeuse MV) shot Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 1e+031)  (Aft Primary Hallway (113,93,4))
[2023-05-09 23:18:22.919] ATTACK: Glowing Verity/(Fe Montoya-Rabin) attacked Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) (NEWHP: 1e+031)  (Central Primary Hallway (112,113,4))
[2023-05-09 23:18:24.687] ATTACK: Learner/(Ophiuchus Y) threw and hit Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) with the boxcutter (NEWHP: 1e+031)  (Central Primary Hallway (108,112,4))
[2023-05-09 23:18:45.940] ATTACK: Hl_scientist/(Hugh M Dubois) shaken Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) (NEWHP: 99)  (Central Primary Hallway (123,112,4))
Baal breaking into Armory + Baal and Aiden's fight

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[2023-05-09 23:20:25.005] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked [Secure Weapons Storage] with the jaws of life (Armory (105,180,3))
[2023-05-09 23:20:26.247] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked [Secure Weapons Storage] with the jaws of life (Armory (105,180,3))
[2023-05-09 23:20:27.228] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked [Secure Weapons Storage] with the jaws of life (Armory (105,180,3))
[2023-05-09 23:20:28.148] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked [Secure Weapons Storage] with the jaws of life (Armory (105,180,3))
[2023-05-09 23:20:29.174] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked [Secure Weapons Storage] with the jaws of life (Armory (105,180,3))
[2023-05-09 23:20:32.114] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked [Secure Weapons Storage] with the jaws of life (Armory (105,180,3))
[2023-05-09 23:20:33.205] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked [Secure Weapons Storage] with the jaws of life (Armory (105,180,3))
[2023-05-09 23:20:34.263] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked [Secure Weapons Storage] with the jaws of life (Armory (105,180,3))
[2023-05-09 23:20:34.408] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) attacked [window] with the energy sword (Fore Port Maintenance (72,163,4))
[2023-05-09 23:20:35.366] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked [Secure Weapons Storage] with the jaws of life (Armory (105,180,3))
[2023-05-09 23:20:35.764] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) attacked [window] with the energy sword (Fore Port Maintenance (72,163,4))
[2023-05-09 23:20:36.522] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked [window] (Fore Port Maintenance (72,163,4))
[2023-05-09 23:20:36.606] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked [Secure Weapons Storage] with the jaws of life (Armory (105,180,3))
[2023-05-09 23:20:36.918] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) attacked [window] with the energy sword (Fore Port Maintenance (72,163,4))
[2023-05-09 23:20:37.541] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked [window] (Fore Port Maintenance (72,163,4))
[2023-05-09 23:20:38.223] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) attacked [grille] with the energy sword (Fore Port Maintenance (72,163,4))
[2023-05-09 23:20:39.045] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked [grille] (Fore Port Maintenance (72,163,4))
[2023-05-09 23:20:41.462] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) attacked [rack] with the energy sword (Fore Port Maintenance (72,162,4))
[2023-05-09 23:20:58.833] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) attacked Calver/(Argema Infrargyrea) with energy sword (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 69.3)  (Central Primary Hallway (129,135,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:05.906] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (NEWHP: 1e+031)  (Central Primary Hallway (109,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:07.009] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (112,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:07.064] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) shot Calver/(Argema Infrargyrea) with the laser (NEWHP: 69.4)  (Central Primary Hallway (112,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:07.127] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (113,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:07.365] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) shot Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with the laser (NEWHP: 100)  (Central Primary Hallway (114,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:07.409] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) shot Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with the laser (NEWHP: 80)  (Central Primary Hallway (114,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:07.435] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) suffered: Second Degree Burns to left leg | Damage: 20 (rolled 59/66.2891) | WB: -30 | BWB: 40 (Central Primary Hallway (109,142,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:07.692] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (115,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:07.791] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (116,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:08.059] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) shot Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) with the laser (NEWHP: 1e+031)  (Central Primary Hallway (114,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:08.718] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [firelock] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (113,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:09.063] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [firelock] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (112,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:09.613] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (109,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:09.775] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (108,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:10.143] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) shot Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with the laser (NEWHP: 55)  (Central Primary Hallway (107,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:10.443] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (105,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:10.618] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (104,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:11.158] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (103,142,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:11.388] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from EVA Storage (EVA Storage (103,143,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:12.261] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from EVA Storage (EVA Storage (103,146,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:12.277] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) shot Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with the laser (NEWHP: 35)  (EVA Storage (103,146,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:12.385] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from EVA Storage (EVA Storage (103,147,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:12.492] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) suffered: Weeping Avulsion to head | Damage: 30 (rolled 110/116.942) | BWB: 20 (EVA Storage (103,147,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:12.529] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) attacked Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) with energy sword (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 66)  (EVA Storage (104,146,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:13.268] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from EVA Storage (EVA Storage (103,146,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:13.391] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from EVA Storage (EVA Storage (103,145,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:14.171] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from EVA Storage (EVA Storage (104,143,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:14.331] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (104,142,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:14.537] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) shot Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with the laser (NEWHP: 24)  (Central Primary Hallway (104,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:14.607] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) attacked [EVA Shutters] with the energy sword (EVA Storage (103,144,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:14.891] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (104,140,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:15.018] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (104,140,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:15.610] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) shot Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with the laser (NEWHP: 4)  (Central Primary Hallway (104,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:16.131] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from EVA Storage (EVA Storage (104,143,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:16.259] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) shot Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) with the laser (NEWHP: 1e+031)  (Central Primary Hallway (104,142,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:16.476] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) shot Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) with the laser (NEWHP: 1e+031)  (Central Primary Hallway (104,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:16.498] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (104,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:16.818] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) shot Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with the laser (NEWHP: -16.1)  (Central Primary Hallway (104,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:16.852] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) suffered: Second Degree Burns to right arm | Damage: 20 (rolled 61/66.2891) | WB: -30 | BWB: 40 (EVA Storage (102,144,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:17.782] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (104,140,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:17.974] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (104,142,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:18.317] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) shot Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) with the laser (NEWHP: 1e+031)  (Central Primary Hallway (104,142,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:18.548] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (104,142,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:18.726] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from Central Primary Hallway (Central Primary Hallway (104,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:18.828] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) shot Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) with the laser (NEWHP: 1e+031)  (Central Primary Hallway (104,141,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:19.226] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from EVA Storage (EVA Storage (104,143,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:19.479] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from EVA Storage (EVA Storage (104,143,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:19.525] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) grabbed Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) passive grab (NEWHP: -63)  (EVA Storage (101,145,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:20.011] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from EVA Storage (EVA Storage (104,143,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:20.138] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) fired at [floor] with the laser from EVA Storage (EVA Storage (104,143,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:23.994] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked [red scrubbers pipe] with the jaws of life (Fore Port Maintenance (97,151,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:25.675] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) grabbed Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) passive grab (NEWHP: 68.4)  (Fore Port Maintenance (97,151,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:25.714] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with jaws of life (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -65.1)  (Fore Port Maintenance (96,150,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:26.974] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with jaws of life (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -80.1)  (Fore Port Maintenance (96,149,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:27.892] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) with jaws of life (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -95.1)  (Fore Port Maintenance (96,149,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:28.216] ATTACK: Mrjafar/(Murderous Queen) attacked Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) (NEWHP: 68.4)  (Fore Port Maintenance (96,150,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:29.441] ATTACK: Vulpes_Is_Hot/(Aiden Finlay) has died (BRUTE: 99.8, BURN: 106, TOX: 0, OXY: 0, CLONE: 12) (Fore Port Maintenance (96,150,4))
[2023-05-09 23:21:29.455] ATTACK: Muffindrake/(Baal-Fur) attacked *no key*/(Murderous Queen) with jaws of life (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 1e+031)  (Fore Port Maintenance (96,149,4))
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Re: [Epicgamer545] Muffindrake - incorrectly accused of valid hunting

Post by Epicgamer545 » #684917

Archie700 wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 5:59 pm Ok, since Scrubby is somehow not saving Manuel logs and statbus is apparently gone, I had to take the parsed logs directly.
You are a great person. Thank you for posting the logs.
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Re: [Epicgamer545] Muffindrake - incorrectly accused of valid hunting

Post by Muffindrake » #684926

Sorry for the premature headmin review request, the note is admittedly not a huge deal, at least not as bad as I make it out to be in the OP.
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Re: [Epicgamer545] Muffindrake - incorrectly accused of valid hunting

Post by Epicgamer545 » #685113

This is going to be a long post, sorry.

Seeing that the logs are already posted (thank the heavens), I have decided to respond to this appeal. I’m here to right some wrongs, but it isn’t an appeal without some organization.

On MRP, I have a preference to enforce the MRP rules, and, this is what I wanted to do here. I disliked inconsistent behavior on Manuel, and at the time, I wanted to remind people that tiptoed them that they exist instead of surprise banning them. This was a good faith attempt to give a reminder, not a punishment. However I do admit, the note I made seems to be misleading, given the line of events.

I would also like to add that this is not a “biased punishment” or motivated by someone else. I genuinely tried to enforce MRP rules, and give additional reminders for people that seem to be not aware that they exist. Turns out, this doesn’t seem to deserve a note at all, given the circumstances. More on that later.

The full story is in both the logs and Muffin’s OP. I was mistaken that Muffin was validhunting (and such was wrong) and I wanted to remind them to not do it again. Turns out, it seems like the events Muffin had explained to me seem to justify their actions in that moment. This was also done at the end of the round, a time where I had to delay round end and I didn’t want to waste time, such is why I could not talk about the note in that ticket instead.

I can’t show the actual ticket, not because I want to hide anything, but because I don’t know if I need permission to do it or if I’m able to post it at will. I’ll ask later then maybe I can post it.

I apologize for not looking at the full situation of the incident. It was the end of the round and I didn’t have time and I went straight to notes instead of asking you questions. In the future, I plan to question things more routinely to prevent confusion instead of instantly skipping to placing something on someone. Of course, I’m just glad this was only a note and not something serious. I’m a bit transparent and I want to be that way to remind that I am not perfect, and I’m a willing volunteer, willing to improve.

However I do ask something from you, if you don’t mind. This is unrelated to the appeal, this is just life/player advice, feel free to skip this if you don’t want to read it. You are a great player in game, Muffin, and while I made a mistake, in future tickets, while, yes, I do want you to question the actions of admins if they are unjust, but during that time I want you to remain civil. Other admins unlike me may take it harsher if you get too rough in the ticket or accuse a admin of something, and I do not want you to get an escalated punishment for that. Instead, I recommend that in future tickets, you think before you post, not post, then think. Rage can be common, but the best thing you can do is subdue it by taking a breath or two.

Anyways, with that out of the way, let’s talk about the note. While I’m tempted to delete it entirely, I still want to keep it for documentation purposes so other admins don’t see a gap of information. So I was thinking of reducing the severity of the note to low/none and changing it to the following.

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(MRP) (APPEALED) Was asked to review MRP Rule 4 about validhunting on MRP servers. In their appeal, they have justified that they had reasonable action in mind and they weren’t hunting for the said antag at all, they were using self defense. In response to this, this note now only exists for the purpose of documentation. If you would like to read the appeal, see: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=34021
Does this work for you?
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Re: [Epicgamer545] Muffindrake - incorrectly accused of valid hunting

Post by Vekter » #685144

Epicgamer545 wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 4:20 pm I can’t show the actual ticket, not because I want to hide anything, but because I don’t know if I need permission to do it or if I’m able to post it at will. I’ll ask later then maybe I can post it.
This is fine, we do it all the time. Hell, here, I'll do it for you.
Hey there, I ask that in future rounds, that you be more mindful on hunting antags unless they are a round ending or global threat. It's discouraged in the RP rules, and I discourage it too unless the antag in question is the global threat or a security force isn't present. Instead, I suggest you only hunt down threats that directly cause you or the station harm.
epicgamer545 ➡ muffindrake
2023-05-09T23:35:01
I wasn't hunting down antags, I took the guns from the armory to hand it to crew. I only happened to run across the antag by chance.
muffindrake ➡ epicgamer545
2023-05-09T23:35:32
The fact that this was ahelped is pretty kafkaesque
muffindrake ➡ epicgamer545
2023-05-09T23:36:15
I dont really believe that, you still should not be hunting down for traitors that do not pose you direct harm or station harm (unless, of course, they harm you). Also, it isn't kafkaesque. It's the MRP rules. If you dont want to adhere to them, then you are more than welcome to join our LRP servers, of course. All I ask is that you avoid this type of behavior in the future, unless theres IC reason that the threat might be round ending.
epicgamer545 ➡ muffindrake
2023-05-09T23:38:05
Okay, well, that's like, your opinion, man. I don't know if that guy is your metafriend, or something, but I'm not interested in lying in ahelps.
muffindrake ➡ epicgamer545
2023-05-09T23:39:12
The fact that I can't help out someone who is actively being attacked by an antag about three tiles away from my character is hilariously out of touch by you
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2023-05-09T23:41:33
Epicgamer545/(John Howard) has created a note for Muffindrake(MRP) Was asked to review MRP Rule 4 about validhunting on MRP servers. I suggest in the future, that you only hunt down threats that specifically pose a threat to you or the station globally.
epicgamer545 ➡ muffindrake
2023-05-09T23:41:52
That wasn't the case here. If you have any further problems with the note you may take it to the appeals and we can discuss the note and it's wording. Also, please dont take things in ahelp in OOC.
epicgamer545 ➡ muffindrake
2023-05-09T23:43:06
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Re: [Epicgamer545] Muffindrake - incorrectly accused of valid hunting

Post by Epicgamer545 » #685192

Just a update,

I want to backtrack on the note resolution; the note really isn’t required and we can delete it if you prefer it. There was a whole level of reasoning why I wanted to keep the note, but I changed my mind and I want you to decide what to do with it. The deletion is logged anyway and the documentation of “appealed notes” don’t work (despite my argument).

Let me know of your input, apologies for making a mess about this.
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Re: [Epicgamer545] Muffindrake - incorrectly accused of valid hunting

Post by Muffindrake » #685282

However I do ask something from you, if you don’t mind. This is unrelated to the appeal, this is just life/player advice, feel free to skip this if you don’t want to read it. You are a great player in game, Muffin, and while I made a mistake, in future tickets, while, yes, I do want you to question the actions of admins if they are unjust, but during that time I want you to remain civil. Other admins unlike me may take it harsher if you get too rough in the ticket or accuse a admin of something, and I do not want you to get an escalated punishment for that. Instead, I recommend that in future tickets, you think before you post, not post, then think. Rage can be common, but the best thing you can do is subdue it by taking a breath or two.
I'll try that.
Epicgamer545 wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 9:47 pm Just a update,

I want to backtrack on the note resolution; the note really isn’t required and we can delete it if you prefer it. There was a whole level of reasoning why I wanted to keep the note, but I changed my mind and I want you to decide what to do with it. The deletion is logged anyway and the documentation of “appealed notes” don’t work (despite my argument).

Let me know of your input, apologies for making a mess about this.
I'd like the note to be removed, please.
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Re: [Epicgamer545] Muffindrake - incorrectly accused of valid hunting

Post by Epicgamer545 » #685320

Muffindrake wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 10:38 am I'd like the note to be removed, please.
Alright, I’ll get it removed once I have free time. I’ll let you know once it has been removed.
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Re: [Epicgamer545] Muffindrake - incorrectly accused of valid hunting

Post by Epicgamer545 » #685377

Note deleted. Appeal resolved!
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