[Higgin] Imitates-The-Lizards - Self-antag ban note change request
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:33 am
BYOND account: Typhnox
Ban/note type (Check what applies):
(X) - Server Ban
() - Note
() - Forum Ban
() - Discord Ban
Ban/note length: 1 day
Ban/note reason: [MRP] As a non-antag assistant, gathered sunglasses, an armor vest, and two inducers to make a crossbow to hold up other crew for their money. Shot one, and when stopped after holding up a 2nd, threatened the officer arresting them IC with getting killed for not following arrest procedure. The arrest was valid. After being released, immediately made a second crossbow. You shot somebody and were fully-armed. You do not get to escalate off of valid arrests, and this represents overescalation in the course of self-antagonism, even if you didn't mean to have shot them. Please do not do this again.
Time ban was placed: 2024-3-22 9:12:57
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 225912
Why are you making this appeal?(Check what applies):
() - The ban/note is factually incorrect
() - The ban/note is not against the rules
(X) - The ban/note needs modification
() - The ban was unjustifiably harsh
() - I was permabanned and I want another chance
Why should this appeal be accepted?: The ban is valid for the reasoning of self-antagging beyond the acceptable scope (ie, tiding is an acceptable level of self-antagging, shooting someone's arm off is not.) as determined by the admin, however, there are additional details in the ban which I wholly disagree with, and am requesting to be removed or modified, namely the portions regarding over-escalation. During the shift, Gwa-Gwa, the Security Officer, asked me about sticking people up, which I admitted to, and they batoned me. Looking back, I agree that the arrest was performed validly, although I still would have preferred that they asked for my compliance. Regardless, while in cuffs and being dragged to the brig, I told them that they shouldn't cry if they get killed over the way in which they perform arrests in the future, which is the central point of this "overescalation" portion that Higgin has thrown in, saying that they believe this was me escalating over the arrest and threatening to kill them. However, as I stated in the ticket, this was not the case - when I made that statement, I was telling Gwa-Gwa that other people would probably kill them in the future if they continued to conduct their arrests in the manner they did, I was not personally threatening them. I did not resist the arrest, and I had exactly zero plans to attack Gwa-Gwa in the future, I simply made a second crossbow in order to continue holding up members of the crew, so I believe it is unreasonable to include this portion of the ban, since I took exactly zero hostile actions against Gwa-Gwa beyond arrest banter, and the central statement in question is being interpreted in a way that is not consistent with my intent when making it, and it will cause admins in the future to view this incident with more negativity than is warranted.
[2024-03-22 08:43:23.230] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "hey" (Library (170,133,4))
[2024-03-22 08:43:38.569] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "did you shoot someone's arm off with a crossbow?" (Starboard Primary Hallway (161,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:43:46.856] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3206) "Well to be fair, he owed me money." (Starboard Primary Hallway (159,129,4))
[2024-03-22 08:43:49.890] ATTACK: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) stun attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 90.5) (Starboard Primary Hallway (160,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:43:53.256] ATTACK: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) stun attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 90.5) (Starboard Primary Hallway (153,129,4))
[2024-03-22 08:43:58.589] ATTACK: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) handcuffed Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (NEWHP: 90.5) (Starboard Primary Hallway (151,129,4))
[2024-03-22 08:44:16.278] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "damn" (Starboard Primary Hallway (154,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:44:19.672] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "that's a lot of ammo" (Starboard Primary Hallway (154,130,4))
2024-03-22 08:44:23.045] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3206) "You're supposed to ask for my compliance, you know." (Starboard Primary Hallway (155,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:44:23.832] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "what were you planning to do?" (Starboard Primary Hallway (154,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:44:32.950] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3206) "I know space law isnt your strong suit, but still." (Starboard Primary Hallway (155,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:45:00.715] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "you robbed someone and horribly mutilated someone" (Starboard Primary Hallway (155,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:45:04.581] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "im not searching you im arresting you" (Starboard Primary Hallway (155,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:45:28.016] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3206) "Youre supposed to tell me what crime im accused of, and then inform me youre arresting me, not just pull out baton and bonk me. Go read space law you idiot." (Library (172,134,4))
Line in question:
[2024-03-22 08:45:49.520] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3206) "Whatever, if you get killed, dont cry about it." (Central Primary Hallway (128,139,4))
[2024-03-22 08:45:37.899] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "no" (Starboard Primary Hallway (159,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:46:00.083] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3206) "Since youre literally a crooked cop." (Brig Overlook (112,173,4))
[2024-03-22 08:46:02.137] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "i can cry if i want to" (Brig Overlook (112,174,4))
[2024-03-22 08:46:18.201] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "ecause i am a sensitive man[" (Brig (101,173,3))
[2024-03-22 08:46:36.428] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3206) "Not sensitive to books apparently, since you cant even read space law, despite being a secoff." (Brig (98,173,3))
[2024-03-22 08:46:49.445] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "i know enough about it" (Brig (101,173,3))
That's it. That was my "banworthy escalation". After this, Gwa-Gwa just gave me a 3 minute sentence despite the fact I shot someone's arm off, so I had no plans to attack him considering his leniency. He didn't even take my stolen armor vest or shades. While I do agree that the way Higgin interpreted my statement is reasonable, I think that my own testimony regarding what my intent was should be taken into consideration, especially in light of the fact that, again, I took exactly zero hostile actions against Gwa-Gwa beyond being spiteful against them for reasons that we went over in the ticket. Did not harm even the tiniest scale on their tail.
I am requesting the ban note be edited to something like: [MRP] As a non-antag assistant, gathered sunglasses, an armor vest, and two inducers to make a crossbow to hold up other crew for their money. Shot one and blew their arm off, and held up a 2nd crew member before being arrested. After being released, immediately made a second crossbow. While some level of self-antagonism is allowed (such as tiding), this is beyond the scope we find acceptable. Please do not do this again.
Ban/note type (Check what applies):
(X) - Server Ban
() - Note
() - Forum Ban
() - Discord Ban
Ban/note length: 1 day
Ban/note reason: [MRP] As a non-antag assistant, gathered sunglasses, an armor vest, and two inducers to make a crossbow to hold up other crew for their money. Shot one, and when stopped after holding up a 2nd, threatened the officer arresting them IC with getting killed for not following arrest procedure. The arrest was valid. After being released, immediately made a second crossbow. You shot somebody and were fully-armed. You do not get to escalate off of valid arrests, and this represents overescalation in the course of self-antagonism, even if you didn't mean to have shot them. Please do not do this again.
Time ban was placed: 2024-3-22 9:12:57
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 225912
Why are you making this appeal?(Check what applies):
() - The ban/note is factually incorrect
() - The ban/note is not against the rules
(X) - The ban/note needs modification
() - The ban was unjustifiably harsh
() - I was permabanned and I want another chance
Why should this appeal be accepted?: The ban is valid for the reasoning of self-antagging beyond the acceptable scope (ie, tiding is an acceptable level of self-antagging, shooting someone's arm off is not.) as determined by the admin, however, there are additional details in the ban which I wholly disagree with, and am requesting to be removed or modified, namely the portions regarding over-escalation. During the shift, Gwa-Gwa, the Security Officer, asked me about sticking people up, which I admitted to, and they batoned me. Looking back, I agree that the arrest was performed validly, although I still would have preferred that they asked for my compliance. Regardless, while in cuffs and being dragged to the brig, I told them that they shouldn't cry if they get killed over the way in which they perform arrests in the future, which is the central point of this "overescalation" portion that Higgin has thrown in, saying that they believe this was me escalating over the arrest and threatening to kill them. However, as I stated in the ticket, this was not the case - when I made that statement, I was telling Gwa-Gwa that other people would probably kill them in the future if they continued to conduct their arrests in the manner they did, I was not personally threatening them. I did not resist the arrest, and I had exactly zero plans to attack Gwa-Gwa in the future, I simply made a second crossbow in order to continue holding up members of the crew, so I believe it is unreasonable to include this portion of the ban, since I took exactly zero hostile actions against Gwa-Gwa beyond arrest banter, and the central statement in question is being interpreted in a way that is not consistent with my intent when making it, and it will cause admins in the future to view this incident with more negativity than is warranted.
[2024-03-22 08:43:23.230] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "hey" (Library (170,133,4))
[2024-03-22 08:43:38.569] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "did you shoot someone's arm off with a crossbow?" (Starboard Primary Hallway (161,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:43:46.856] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3206) "Well to be fair, he owed me money." (Starboard Primary Hallway (159,129,4))
[2024-03-22 08:43:49.890] ATTACK: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) stun attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 90.5) (Starboard Primary Hallway (160,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:43:53.256] ATTACK: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) stun attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 90.5) (Starboard Primary Hallway (153,129,4))
[2024-03-22 08:43:58.589] ATTACK: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) handcuffed Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (NEWHP: 90.5) (Starboard Primary Hallway (151,129,4))
[2024-03-22 08:44:16.278] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "damn" (Starboard Primary Hallway (154,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:44:19.672] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "that's a lot of ammo" (Starboard Primary Hallway (154,130,4))
2024-03-22 08:44:23.045] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3206) "You're supposed to ask for my compliance, you know." (Starboard Primary Hallway (155,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:44:23.832] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "what were you planning to do?" (Starboard Primary Hallway (154,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:44:32.950] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3206) "I know space law isnt your strong suit, but still." (Starboard Primary Hallway (155,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:45:00.715] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "you robbed someone and horribly mutilated someone" (Starboard Primary Hallway (155,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:45:04.581] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "im not searching you im arresting you" (Starboard Primary Hallway (155,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:45:28.016] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3206) "Youre supposed to tell me what crime im accused of, and then inform me youre arresting me, not just pull out baton and bonk me. Go read space law you idiot." (Library (172,134,4))
Line in question:
[2024-03-22 08:45:49.520] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3206) "Whatever, if you get killed, dont cry about it." (Central Primary Hallway (128,139,4))
[2024-03-22 08:45:37.899] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "no" (Starboard Primary Hallway (159,130,4))
[2024-03-22 08:46:00.083] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3206) "Since youre literally a crooked cop." (Brig Overlook (112,173,4))
[2024-03-22 08:46:02.137] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "i can cry if i want to" (Brig Overlook (112,174,4))
[2024-03-22 08:46:18.201] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "ecause i am a sensitive man[" (Brig (101,173,3))
[2024-03-22 08:46:36.428] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (mob_3206) "Not sensitive to books apparently, since you cant even read space law, despite being a secoff." (Brig (98,173,3))
[2024-03-22 08:46:49.445] GAME-SAY: Epicfailguy108/(Gwa-Gwa) (mob_3251) "i know enough about it" (Brig (101,173,3))
That's it. That was my "banworthy escalation". After this, Gwa-Gwa just gave me a 3 minute sentence despite the fact I shot someone's arm off, so I had no plans to attack him considering his leniency. He didn't even take my stolen armor vest or shades. While I do agree that the way Higgin interpreted my statement is reasonable, I think that my own testimony regarding what my intent was should be taken into consideration, especially in light of the fact that, again, I took exactly zero hostile actions against Gwa-Gwa beyond being spiteful against them for reasons that we went over in the ticket. Did not harm even the tiniest scale on their tail.
I am requesting the ban note be edited to something like: [MRP] As a non-antag assistant, gathered sunglasses, an armor vest, and two inducers to make a crossbow to hold up other crew for their money. Shot one and blew their arm off, and held up a 2nd crew member before being arrested. After being released, immediately made a second crossbow. While some level of self-antagonism is allowed (such as tiding), this is beyond the scope we find acceptable. Please do not do this again.