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[jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby J_Madison » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:09 am #144382

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Banning admin: jud1c470r/docprofsmith
Ban type (What are you banned from?): sybil
Ban reason and length: Permanent.

First ban reason: Keeping this private.

Second ban reason:
(MANUAL BAN) Seems to be an incredibly toxic individual, does nothing other than complain about other players or features. Has made several ban requests for little to no reason in a short period of time and constantly manages to stir up drama. Definitely needs a permanent break from this server since he can't handle other players or how it's run. I'm confident his absence will have a positive effect on the server.

Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2016/01/02 02:13:47

Your side of the story:
I made a ban request for the principle of breaking a rule, which was summarily dismissed by Lollerderby.
After discussing it with Loller on supportbus, I wasn't satisfied with how it was handled, and I was instructed to take it to an Admin complaint.

Weeks before hand, I had reported what evidence of metagaming I collected to several admins including Loller.
Nothing really happened, and what I was reporting continued, and I was instructed to take it further and present all evidence.
After the ban request was dismissed by Hornygranny, I was quietly banned by Judicator for reason 1, which is going to be kept private, before being banned for substitute reason 2 on the grounds that my reports cause too much drama, I'm toxic, and intolerable.

Why you think you should be unbanned:
Ban reason 1 was dismissed by the respective admin.

Reason 2:
I'm sorry that I stirred up drama by creating admin complaints for discrepancies.
I don't however, see myself as toxic on the grounds that I open my mouth more and have a willingness to speak out, and report - discrepancies however small - on the grounds of principle of rules and zero tolerance.
I work security as my job, I see things differently, I'm a human being mentally conditioned differently, like how a soldier would react to authority differently to a millenial teen. I follow zero tolerance laws at work, and I follow laws and rules by the book.
I'm fine with individuals, features, and other similar subjects on the server. It took me a while to shape up and play under a different culture. But I became the change in the features I'd like to see, and I learned to play with certain individuals.



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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby iamgoofball » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:12 am #144383

either there's more to this than we know or something's fucked up the ass here

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Wyzack » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:19 am #144386

I assumed that the ban was due to the way that you collected evidence for your appeal being incredibly creepy and borderline stalkerish, not to mention you always seem to be stirring shit

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby J_Madison » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:22 am #144388

Wyzack wrote:I assumed that the ban was due to the way that you collected evidence for your appeal being incredibly creepy and borderline stalkerish, not to mention you always seem to be stirring shit

I had reported this before and nothing occured, and I was told to get more evidence.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby TechnoAlchemist » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:30 am #144389

It's a rule zero ban, a substantial amount of admins firmly believe that you are a negative member of this community, and frankly I agree.

I support judicator's decision.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby iamgoofball » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:34 am #144392

TechnoAlchemist wrote:It's a rule zero ban, a substantial amount of admins firmly believe that you are a negative member of this community, and frankly I agree.

I support judicator's decision.

could you guys maybe elaborate on this?

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby ShadowDimentio » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:35 am #144393

This seems to be a bit much. I don't really like the guy, but I don't think he should be perma'd.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Tornadium » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:06 am #144399

Oh the Irony.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Stickymayhem » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:18 am #144400

It might possibly be the doxxing.

Yeah it's probably the doxxing
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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Shaps-cloud » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:21 am #144402

Stickymayhem wrote:It might possibly be the doxxing.

Yeah it's probably the doxxing

Ban reason 1 was dismissed by the respective admin.

Irrelevant, said admin has no stake in this
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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Pascal123 » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:26 am #144403

From what i've seen, Jud1c470r seems trigger happy on rule zero threats.
I'm not sure this is as warranted as one would perceive.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby tedward1337 » Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:25 am #144414

Probation would probably be the best step to take.
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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby iamgoofball » Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:41 am #144418

are you guys gonna elaborate on this or what

iamgoofball wrote:
TechnoAlchemist wrote:It's a rule zero ban, a substantial amount of admins firmly believe that you are a negative member of this community, and frankly I agree.

I support judicator's decision.

could you guys maybe elaborate on this?


i can always sign onto an alt to bypass your ignore lists if needed because a question being given by me doesn't automatically make it not important

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby TechnoAlchemist » Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:47 am #144420

I'm busy

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby iamgoofball » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:03 am #144423

TechnoAlchemist wrote:I'm busy

When will you not be busy so that you can elaborate on this?

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby MrStonedOne » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:28 am #144430

As far as I can tell, they got rule zero'ed for making too many Ban Requests and letting an admin that they were doxable so said admin could fix it.

Why that qualifies for rule zero is 100% byond me.

Can we all be honest here and admit that his "smug rich attitude" that everybody but me seems to have an issue with at least had something to do with it.
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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Tornadium » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:04 am #144435

MrStonedOne wrote:As far as I can tell, they got rule zero'ed for making too many Ban Requests and letting an admin that they were doxable so said admin could fix it.

Why that qualifies for rule zero is 100% byond me.

Can we all be honest here and admit that his smug rich attitude that everybody but me seems to have an issue with at least had something to do with it.


I personally don't get that.

Dude is usually right about what he posts. The attitude of most of the admin team which is entirely unprofessional and just downright ignorant and rude at this point doesn't help with player attitude coming the other way to be completely honest.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby TheWulfe » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:21 am #144442

I can browse forums as much as anybody. There's only 4 ban requests. 2 are close together, which if there were legit rules broken, it's perfectly legit to post. The other 2 have nearly full months between them. Are these the whole 'constantly makes ban requests and stirs up drama' thing? I'm hard pressed believe that.

This is retaliation for him/her making an admin-complaint thread and daring to backtalk in it.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Tornadium » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:37 am #144447

TheWulfe wrote:I can browse forums as much as anybody. There's only 4 ban requests. 2 are close together, which if there were legit rules broken, it's perfectly legit to post. The other 2 have nearly full months between them. Are these the whole 'constantly makes ban requests and stirs up drama' thing? I'm hard pressed believe that.

This is retaliation for him/her making an admin-complaint thread and daring to backtalk in it.


It's an issue that has consistently gotten worse over time. If you piss off the admin clique good luck to you.

My posts will probably get deleted too because "lol banned people don't get an opinion" but this ban is horseshit.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby iamgoofball » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:50 am #144459

MrStonedOne wrote:As far as I can tell, they got rule zero'ed for making too many Ban Requests and letting an admin that they were doxable so said admin could fix it.

Why that qualifies for rule zero is 100% byond me.

Can we all be honest here and admit that his "smug rich attitude" that everybody but me seems to have an issue with at least had something to do with it.

Hence why I'm demanding someone elaborate, since I was pretty sure that was the reason but wanted to get them to say it themselves.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby iamgoofball » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:51 am #144460

TechnoAlchemist wrote:I'm busy

Oh, and if this is the best cop-out you have for explaining yourself, please try harder, a rust kiddie could bullshit better than you.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby ShadowDimentio » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:01 am #144461

Yeah this all seems a bit shit. He might be a crybaby, but if you start banning people for complaining fucking nobody is going to be left because everyone on this server is a hysterical buttbaby, myself included.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby TechnoAlchemist » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:17 am #144462

iamgoofball wrote:
TechnoAlchemist wrote:I'm busy

Oh, and if this is the best cop-out you have for explaining yourself, please try harder, a rust kiddie could bullshit better than you.

Rust is a pretty good game

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Pascal123 » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:20 am #144463

Techno... Dodging the question isn't really helping out here.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby TechnoAlchemist » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:21 am #144464

Goofball was rude to me and I expect more professionalism from our coders.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby ShadowDimentio » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:24 am #144465

Okay I'll be rude on his behalf: Stop dodging the goddamn questions as to why you banned this guy and explain or we can talk to a headmin about how you won't.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby TechnoAlchemist » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:25 am #144466

ShadowDimentio wrote:Okay I'll be rude on his behalf: Stop dodging the goddamn questions as to why you banned this guy and explain or we can talk to a headmin about how you won't.

I didn't ban him I just support the ban

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby ShadowDimentio » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:26 am #144467

Explain why then chucklefuck.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby feem » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:26 am #144468

ShadowDimentio wrote:Explain why then chucklefuck.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby TechnoAlchemist » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:27 am #144469

I firmly believe he is a negative member of the community

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby iamgoofball » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:31 am #144470

TechnoAlchemist wrote:Goofball was rude to me and I expect more professionalism from our coders.

You'd be slightly ticked off too if you got these responses and dodges to your questions.

TechnoAlchemist wrote:
ShadowDimentio wrote:Okay I'll be rude on his behalf: Stop dodging the goddamn questions as to why you banned this guy and explain or we can talk to a headmin about how you won't.

I didn't ban him I just support the ban


Yes, we know this, we're asking WHY you support the ban.

I don't give a shit if the reason is something as extreme as "he ddosed the server" or if it's something as small as "www.pornhub.com told me to while I was watching porn", I just want a concrete answer.

TechnoAlchemist wrote:I firmly believe he is a negative member of the community

Good, you're getting closer but you already stated this before, and we'd like some reasoning as to why you think this.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Saegrimr » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:32 am #144471

Couldn't possibly be the creepy stalker tendencies he's been regularly displaying.
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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby iamgoofball » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:37 am #144472

Saegrimr wrote:Couldn't possibly be the creepy stalker tendencies he's been regularly displaying.

See, this is a reason. Saegrimir and Sticky have provided reasons on their end for their opinions on the matter.

My request is that if you're posting in this thread to say "yeah he's shit", provide a reason, please.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Screemonster » Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:51 am #144481

This thread's nearly to two pages and the banning admin hasn't even replied yet. Only the OP and a single reply belong to the guy who's appealing.

Just sayin'.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby NikNakFlak » Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:01 am #144483

This can get locked until judic responds since he's been shitposting in IRC about all day or headmins/host decide to leave it or overturn it. Enough of this.
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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Docprofsmith » Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:10 am #144496

NikNakFlak wrote:This can get locked until judic responds since he's been shitposting in IRC about all day or headmins/host decide to leave it or overturn it. Enough of this.


First of all Nik I only shitposted in IRC for like, half the day. I'm a busy man.

As for elaborating on this ban here. It's rule 0. The majority of the playerbase and admin team can't stand J_Madison. He's set himself on some anti-friendship crusade, stirs drama up far too much and has an awful attitude.

He'd be gone eventually I just saved him some time.
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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby oranges » Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:27 am #144497

Enjoy your deadmin

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby firecage » Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:33 am #144499

Docprofsmith wrote:
NikNakFlak wrote:This can get locked until judic responds since he's been shitposting in IRC about all day or headmins/host decide to leave it or overturn it. Enough of this.


First of all Nik I only shitposted in IRC for like, half the day. I'm a busy man.

As for elaborating on this ban here. It's rule 0. The majority of the playerbase and admin team can't stand J_Madison. He's set himself on some anti-friendship crusade, stirs drama up far too much and has an awful attitude.

He'd be gone eventually I just saved him some time.


But what was the actual reasoning for rule zero'ing him besides that you apparently personally dislike him? With that reasoning, you should go and rule zero half of the people on the server right now.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Saegrimr » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:23 pm #144508

firecage wrote:But what was the actual reasoning for rule zero'ing him besides that you apparently personally dislike him? With that reasoning, you should go and rule zero half of the people on the server right now.


I dunno probably going out of his way to stalk Shaps until he found a way to his facebook pages and other personal info because he doesn't like Pheobe Lotsu having friends in-game?

How about ghosting and stalking the same people for weeks loading up an album full of screenshots as "proof" that someone has friends?
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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby TheNightingale » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:37 pm #144511

There's creepy, and then there's stalking someone's Facebook because you think they're in a metafriend conspiracy. That's a whole new level of... law-breaking illegality, probably.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Malkevin » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:54 pm #144513

Wyzack wrote:I assumed that the ban was due to the way that you collected evidence for your appeal being incredibly creepy and borderline stalkerish, not to mention you always seem to be stirring shit

How else are you going to collect evidence for a meta gaming case?

Unless they outright say in a logged environment that they meta game the only way to get evidence is to observe and record their behaviours.

If you're going to ban a player for doing that you're going to have to ban a lot of admins too, especially niknak.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby J_Madison » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:58 pm #144515

Shaps wanted nothing to do with this ban, and whatever I found was discussed with him.

I'm not going to go into detail on what and how I found it without Shaps' permission.
It's his information I found accidentally, he has taken advice and steps to prevent this from occuring again.

Unless you know exactly what occured, I suggest not making assumptions or guesses on what happened; you're only making it worse for Shaps, and creating the wrong impression.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Wyzack » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:07 pm #144519

Here is the neat thing though. We already have a team of people tasked with enforcing the rules on the server, we call them admins.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Stan_Studnick » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:29 pm #144520

Saegrimr wrote:
firecage wrote:But what was the actual reasoning for rule zero'ing him besides that you apparently personally dislike him? With that reasoning, you should go and rule zero half of the people on the server right now.


I dunno probably going out of his way to stalk Shaps until he found a way to his facebook pages and other personal info because he doesn't like Pheobe Lotsu having friends in-game?

How about ghosting and stalking the same people for weeks loading up an album full of screenshots as "proof" that someone has friends?
Did somebody actually tell J_Madison to collect more evidence or to come back to the ban request table with something more substantial? If so, I don't think it's fair for the admins to call him creepy and use that against him after specifically telling him to do that very thing.

Wyzack wrote:Here is the neat thing though. We already have a team of people tasked with enforcing the rules on the server, we call them admins.
From what I'm gathering Shaps was doxxable (I got this from reading the thread) and J_Madison revealed it to Shaps. As far as I know the admins aren't here to police the security of your Facebook and stuff, so I'm not sure what you're really trying to get at.

EDIT: Not that it matters at this point, but Shaps already posted in this thread and wasn't like "oh hey this asshole stalked me" or anything. All I know of Shaps is he's a legit guy and haven't ever seen Shaps do anything wild or dumb, so when Shaps said "it has no bearing" that leads me to believe it's actually about the point above, in reply to Saegrimr.
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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Wyzack » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:31 pm #144521

I mean that his anti friends crusade following two lizards for months is entirely baseless and doesn't make much sense

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby Stan_Studnick » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:41 pm #144523

Wyzack wrote:I mean that his anti friends crusade following two lizards for months is entirely baseless and doesn't make much sense
Well that's something I'm curious about, what exactly was going on there and to what extent.

I ask because J_Madison's never done me wrong and honestly I'm confused by this because of that. Some pieces of this story are missing, right now it just doesn't make sense that he'd just follow around people and get screenshots because he had a hunch they were metafriending. For me it makes sense that a guy would do that after getting told, "damn it! I need more!" and then playing private investigator.

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Re: [jud1c470r] - Rule zero

Postby iamgoofball » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:57 pm #144525

I was there when he was told he needed more evidence before filing a complaint and that the admins couldn't do anything with what they had.

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