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[HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:02 pm
by Punnches
Byond account and character name: Punnches420 - Doesn't matter

Banning admin: HotelBravoLima

Ban type (What are you banned from?): Server 1, 2 and #supportbus

Ban reason and length: "Warned to stay out of OOC if he's just going to sit on the lobby, as he has been many times before by other admins. Refuses to listen, so. Uh. Yeah. You can't say you weren't warned, fam."

Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2015-10-25 23:05:17 Server time

Your side of the story: I spent the majority of my time either in the lobby or observing, And while during this I repeatedly shitposted in OOC, deadchat and adminhelps. After being warned multiple times and banned twice (First for one day, next for two days) I eventually got permabanned by HBL.
I then got banned from IRC and the Forums for being a dick to a certain player in IRC, but the forum ban and some of the IRC ban has since been lessened.

Why you think you should be unbanned: I was a unhelpful arrogant cunt, and refused to listen to anybody (even when I was distrupting/ruining the rounds of admins and players alike). I believe I can actually play the game well (As I've actually never been banned for IC actions, even when I did play) and won't fuck with people OOC.

I don't mind if admins impose additional restrictions/probations either.

Can I please have a second chance? I just want to play spacemens again.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:04 pm
by TechnoAlchemist
I feel like this appeal is way too soon.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:17 am
by tedward1337
I feel like a probation would be worth it here. Even though they've been a shitler, it seems like they are genuinely sorry about it now.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:00 am
by NikNakFlak
hahahahaha nope

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:02 am
by Zilenan91
You haven't changed punnches. Pls stay gone.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:17 am
by Docprofsmith
You've barely been gone for two months and all you do is shitpost on singulo about how awful everything is.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:31 am
by Punnches
Docprofsmith wrote:You've barely been gone for two months and all you do is shitpost on singulo about how awful everything is.

I'm pretty sure that we agreed a while ago that singulo does not actually count for any ban appeal/request.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:40 am
by Shaps-cloud
Punnches wrote:
Docprofsmith wrote:You've barely been gone for two months and all you do is shitpost on singulo about how awful everything is.

I'm pretty sure that we agreed a while ago that singulo does not actually count for any ban appeal/request.

Who is "we" here? Considering it shows you obviously haven't changed, I think it's perfectly valid to bring up

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:48 am
by Punnches
Shaps wrote:
Punnches wrote:
Docprofsmith wrote:You've barely been gone for two months and all you do is shitpost on singulo about how awful everything is.

I'm pretty sure that we agreed a while ago that singulo does not actually count for any ban appeal/request.

Who is "we" here? Considering it shows you obviously haven't changed, I think it's perfectly valid to bring up

"We" as in a bunch of people around the start of 2015. Pretty sure it was pretty big.

Why exactly do my posts on singulo matter? What do they entail, exactly? 99% of them are jokes.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:52 am
by iamgoofball
Alright then.

Let's say you go into a place of business. You get banned from the establishment for whatever reason.

You then proceed to go to a nearby bar that people who frequent the business also frequent, and spend two months talking about how shit the business is to everyone who will listen, and those who don't listen.

After those two months you then proceed to go back to the business and beg to be allowed back in, claiming you've changed and that you won't do what got you kicked out in the first place.

What do you think the administration of the business you are banned from is going to say to you?

PS.
I propose the "everything I said was just a joke!!!" excuse be declared as valid as "My brother was on my account and did this stuff" excuse.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:52 am
by iamgoofball
-double post meme-

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:53 am
by Punnches
iamgoofball wrote:Alright then.

Let's say you go into a place of business. You get banned from the establishment for whatever reason.

You then proceed to go to a nearby bar that people who frequent the business also frequent, and spend two months talking about how shit the business is to everyone who will listen, and those who don't listen.

After those two months you then proceed to go back to the business and beg to be allowed back in, claiming you've changed and that you won't do what got you kicked out in the first place.

What do you think the administration of the business you are banned from is going to say to you?

PS.
I propose the "everything I said was just a joke!!!" excuse be declared as valid as "My brother was on my account and did this stuff" excuse.


I request that an actual headmin weigh in on this ASAP, and the thread be locked until said headmin weighs in.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:54 am
by iamgoofball
Is that really your response? You don't have anything beneficial to reply with so you just do the cop-out "lock till headmin pls!!!"? I expected more of you.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:55 am
by Punnches
iamgoofball wrote:Is that really your response? You don't have anything beneficial to reply with so you just do the cop-out "lock till headmin pls!!!"? I expected more of you.

...I'm just asking for a headmin to weigh in, so I can go to bed and check the thread after I wake up.

Not everything's about you fam

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:56 am
by iamgoofball
Then why did you make sure to quote my post?

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:58 am
by Punnches
iamgoofball wrote:Then why did you make sure to quote my post?

>Resorting to semantics

anyway, lock until headmin weighs in pls

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:03 am
by XSI
My presence has been requested specifically so I could post this

"Hitler may have killed 6 million Jews, but he sure as fucking hell saved the History channel."

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:04 am
by iamgoofball
Punnches wrote:Why exactly do my posts on singulo matter? What do they entail, exactly? 99% of them are jokes.

So you weren't angry at all about being banned, and 2 solid months of pretty much every post being insulting the tgstation players, admins, coders, and community as a whole was "all a joke" and not at all because you were pissed about being banned?

Come on man, at the very least you can come clean about it, makes you look more legit.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:11 am
by Zilenan91
Punnches hasn't changed. His denial of his faults shows in more ways than any other.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:12 am
by callanrockslol
What did he actually do besides talk too much?

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:15 am
by Zilenan91
You wanna know how many OOC posts there were in the months before got banned? I think it was something like 20000. Now Punnches talked so very very much, that he was literally 4000 of these 20000 OOC posts in total. In a chat where there are probably a couple hundred unique visitors in total, this one dude managed to make a retarded amount of posts while never even playing the game, doing all of this just sitting in the lobby.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:16 am
by Punnches
Zilenan91 wrote:You wanna know how many OOC posts there were in the months before got banned? I think it was something like 20000. Now Punnches talked so very very much, that he was literally 4000 of these 20000 OOC posts in total. In a chat where there are probably a couple hundred unique visitors in total, this one dude managed to make a retarded amount of posts while never even playing the game, doing all of this just sitting in the lobby.

i was 20,000 out of 150,000 OOC posts actually, a buddy got the logs for the entirety of 2015 and checked

is it impossible for you people to realise i've changed

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:17 am
by Zilenan91
Oh my god it's so much worse than I thought

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:18 am
by iamgoofball
Punnches wrote:is it impossible for you people to realise i've changed

You've provided 0 evidence that you've changed so far, so yes, it is impossible to "realise" you've changed.

Shitposting on singulo for 2 months straight constantly posting about how shitty /tg/ is doesn't exactly help your case in a ban for doing nothing but complaining in OOC.

If you'd like to bring up some evidence to the contrary, I'd love to see it, and I'm certain everyone would.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:20 am
by Punnches
iamgoofball wrote:
Punnches wrote:is it impossible for you people to realise i've changed

You've provided 0 evidence that you've changed so far, so yes, it is impossible to "realise" you've changed.

Shitposting on singulo for 2 months straight constantly posting about how shitty /tg/ is doesn't exactly help your case in a ban for doing nothing but complaining in OOC.

If you'd like to bring up some evidence to the contrary, I'd love to see it, and I'm certain everyone would.


is this seriously what we've devolved to over a guy who posts in OOC a lot

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:22 am
by Zilenan91
You're dodging the question. You know exactly why you were banned and you refuse to change yourself to fix it.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:23 am
by TheWulfe
Is there a way this can be done cleverly? Like if his OOC behavior was the problem, is there way mechanics-wise you could just do a (very) long-term OOC player mute?


EDIT: If his actual gameplay isn't a problem, of course.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:24 am
by Punnches
Zilenan91 wrote:You're dodging the question. You know exactly why you were banned and you refuse to change yourself to fix it.

>admit i fucked up
>apologize to HG
>make ban appeal apologizing
>this is refusing to change

can you at least let me keep my singulo shitposting

TheWulfe wrote:Is there a way this can be done cleverly? Like if his OOC behavior was the problem, is there way mechanics-wise you could just do a (very) long-term OOC player mute?


yes, there is an OOC ban.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:28 am
by iamgoofball
Punnches wrote:>admit i fucked up
>apologize to HG
>make ban appeal apologizing
>this is refusing to change

An apology or two isn't an example of change. Anyone can apologize for something and not mean it. People and logs from other servers, communities, or places on the internet showing you've learned how to conduct yourself in an online setting is an example of change.

I don't care if it's Baystation, Goon, VGstation, Ars Technicia, somethingawful, pornhub comments, or wattpad stories. Come back with something from somewhere showing that between the time of your ban and now, you've been able to communicate elsewhere without being a complete turd.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:34 am
by Shaps-cloud
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Relevant ban history, all he did was start arguments in OOC and post shit no one cared about, server was much better off after he was gone and it should stay that way

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:13 am
by oranges
clearly the man needs a perma ooc ban, but was his conduct ic ever very bad?

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:41 am
by Zilenan91
He didn't have IC conduct because he never played

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:59 am
by peoplearestrange
Locked until fate is decided by headmins etc.

Re: [HotelBravoLima] Punnches420 - Being 20% of OOC

PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:58 am
by Hornygranny
I think your conduct in the greater /tg/station community warrants your exclusion.