[bobdobbington] -Laughing Rabbit : Security Job Ban Appeal
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:22 am
Byond account and character name: Laughing Rabbit: Han Bower
Banning admin: Bobdobbington
Ban type (What are you banned from?): All of Security Roles
Ban reason and length: After the botanist slipped the detective and the detective took the botanist's water pack over it, escalated that into a full bore trial proceeding the botanist had to sit through for basically no reason. When your RP is causing your victims to commit suicide, rethink your approach.
This ban was applied by bobdobbington on 2016-08-11 01:54:30. The ban is for 4320 minutes and expires on 2016-08-14 01:54:30 (server time).
Your side of the story: The detective detained the botanist for slipping the detective and others. The botanist was brought to me by the detective to judge the arrest. I suggested that he have his backpack removed as punishment but no brig time. The detective agreed and the punishment was done.
The botanist was released from the brig and I took come the brig's front desk duty.
The botanist spent at least ten minutes at the security desk trying to convince me to let him have his water backpack back for he wasn't guilty.
I told him to fill out a complain and I would present it to my superiors. The botanist refused and he expressed that he thought it was a waste of time and just wanted his water backpack back. So, while he continue to complain to me about how he was treated and said that he was a victim of racism.
I contacted the clown to act as judge for the clown was natural and unlikely to favor security or the botanist unjustly.
The clown arrived pretty quickly and so I tell the botanist that he can appeal his case in court and get his backpack back.
He expressed that he much rather just have backpack back. I told him that he can't without a trial to prove him innocent.
So, I let the clown and the botanist into court and tell the detective to hurry up. Five minute past and the clown threats a mistrial since the detective is running back and forth outside of the courtroom.
As soon as this is said the detective shows up with his wittiness the other botanist and the detective and we convince the judge to take the case.
During this time I have the detective give the backpack to the botanist. The botanist put on his backpack and runs out of the court room door.
Which I believe was already open from the detective and botanist coming in. I chase and tase him for stealing the backpack and put him back into the court room without hand cuffs.
The detective and wittiness give their statements which were pretty brief and basic.
As soon as it becomes the botanists turn to speak he kills himself.
Why you think you should be unbanned:
I suggested and organized this trial for the botanist because of a few reasons.
1. Experience has an officer has taught me that the botanist might try attacking the detective for his backpack at some point. Which would most likely escalate into someone's death or further waste of police power.
2. This was still somewhat early in the game and the security force was rather large. Detective often has downtime unless he's valid hunting and that's rather frowned upon despite being common place. I had placed myself at the front desk, during the trial there was the warden and other security guards defending the brig.
3. I didn't want to completely undermine the detective by going back on the sentence. Without any evidence that it was unjust, I used the trial as way to examine the detective's evidence instead of just taking his word for as I did before.
Bobdobbington mentioned that the botanist said I forced him to do the trial. Once the Detective and I took his backpack and released him. I never handcuffed him, he spent his time released from the brig. Complaining to me at the security desk. I created the trial as a way for him to get his stuff back. What I did do was force him to do a trial to get his backpack back. I presented it to him as this "Either you do the trial or I can't help you" So, he followed me to the court room for the trial.
I was just trying to get the trial over with so that I can see for myself if the detective was wrong in his arrest. For the botanist had told me that he never slipped anyone and that he was being framed. Instead of just taking their word for it, I thought the best way was have them both speak their case in a official setting with a third party as judge.
Of course, if the clown judge was unfair in his judgement I would have stepped in and worked something out.
I was personally in favor of the botanist but the fact that he was so upset made me worry. I considered just giving him his backpack without a trial but the detective complained.
If the botanist was truly innocent and the detective was harassing him. Then if I just gave the water backpack back to the botanist. Then the botanist could of have been subjected to further harassment by the detective.
I truly believed that I was acting in the best interest of all parties involved and wasn't wasting anymore time and resources than what was already spent with arresting the botanist in the first way.
I wasn't trying to punish anyone but resolve conflict. It wasn't my intention to have the botanist rage quit. Nor did I feel like I should reduce his punishment based on his whining alone.
Bobdobbington stated that it wasn't the taking of the backpack that I did wrong. But forcing everyone into a waste of time. I presented the trial as being optional but yet the only way the botanist was going to get his way.
The detective never expressed to me that I was wasting his time. He wanted to defend his case. The clown.. well he's a clown it's not like he had anything else to do.
Banning admin: Bobdobbington
Ban type (What are you banned from?): All of Security Roles
Ban reason and length: After the botanist slipped the detective and the detective took the botanist's water pack over it, escalated that into a full bore trial proceeding the botanist had to sit through for basically no reason. When your RP is causing your victims to commit suicide, rethink your approach.
This ban was applied by bobdobbington on 2016-08-11 01:54:30. The ban is for 4320 minutes and expires on 2016-08-14 01:54:30 (server time).
Your side of the story: The detective detained the botanist for slipping the detective and others. The botanist was brought to me by the detective to judge the arrest. I suggested that he have his backpack removed as punishment but no brig time. The detective agreed and the punishment was done.
The botanist was released from the brig and I took come the brig's front desk duty.
The botanist spent at least ten minutes at the security desk trying to convince me to let him have his water backpack back for he wasn't guilty.
I told him to fill out a complain and I would present it to my superiors. The botanist refused and he expressed that he thought it was a waste of time and just wanted his water backpack back. So, while he continue to complain to me about how he was treated and said that he was a victim of racism.
I contacted the clown to act as judge for the clown was natural and unlikely to favor security or the botanist unjustly.
The clown arrived pretty quickly and so I tell the botanist that he can appeal his case in court and get his backpack back.
He expressed that he much rather just have backpack back. I told him that he can't without a trial to prove him innocent.
So, I let the clown and the botanist into court and tell the detective to hurry up. Five minute past and the clown threats a mistrial since the detective is running back and forth outside of the courtroom.
As soon as this is said the detective shows up with his wittiness the other botanist and the detective and we convince the judge to take the case.
During this time I have the detective give the backpack to the botanist. The botanist put on his backpack and runs out of the court room door.
Which I believe was already open from the detective and botanist coming in. I chase and tase him for stealing the backpack and put him back into the court room without hand cuffs.
The detective and wittiness give their statements which were pretty brief and basic.
As soon as it becomes the botanists turn to speak he kills himself.
Why you think you should be unbanned:
I suggested and organized this trial for the botanist because of a few reasons.
1. Experience has an officer has taught me that the botanist might try attacking the detective for his backpack at some point. Which would most likely escalate into someone's death or further waste of police power.
2. This was still somewhat early in the game and the security force was rather large. Detective often has downtime unless he's valid hunting and that's rather frowned upon despite being common place. I had placed myself at the front desk, during the trial there was the warden and other security guards defending the brig.
3. I didn't want to completely undermine the detective by going back on the sentence. Without any evidence that it was unjust, I used the trial as way to examine the detective's evidence instead of just taking his word for as I did before.
Bobdobbington mentioned that the botanist said I forced him to do the trial. Once the Detective and I took his backpack and released him. I never handcuffed him, he spent his time released from the brig. Complaining to me at the security desk. I created the trial as a way for him to get his stuff back. What I did do was force him to do a trial to get his backpack back. I presented it to him as this "Either you do the trial or I can't help you" So, he followed me to the court room for the trial.
I was just trying to get the trial over with so that I can see for myself if the detective was wrong in his arrest. For the botanist had told me that he never slipped anyone and that he was being framed. Instead of just taking their word for it, I thought the best way was have them both speak their case in a official setting with a third party as judge.
Of course, if the clown judge was unfair in his judgement I would have stepped in and worked something out.
I was personally in favor of the botanist but the fact that he was so upset made me worry. I considered just giving him his backpack without a trial but the detective complained.
If the botanist was truly innocent and the detective was harassing him. Then if I just gave the water backpack back to the botanist. Then the botanist could of have been subjected to further harassment by the detective.
I truly believed that I was acting in the best interest of all parties involved and wasn't wasting anymore time and resources than what was already spent with arresting the botanist in the first way.
I wasn't trying to punish anyone but resolve conflict. It wasn't my intention to have the botanist rage quit. Nor did I feel like I should reduce his punishment based on his whining alone.
Bobdobbington stated that it wasn't the taking of the backpack that I did wrong. But forcing everyone into a waste of time. I presented the trial as being optional but yet the only way the botanist was going to get his way.
The detective never expressed to me that I was wasting his time. He wanted to defend his case. The clown.. well he's a clown it's not like he had anything else to do.