Silicons more interested in valids than following laws.
Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:57 pm
Your byond account: omnitricks
Your character name: The Headsman (mime)
Their character name: Deep Thought (AI)
Their byond account(optional, but useful if you can provide it): JefftheMighty
Server and time: Sybil 3:30 pm GMT
Logs and/or screenshots: Because I was the mime, I could only talk in PDA which is not recorded unless I receive. This is what I received from the AI in response to my requests.
Message from Deep Thought (AI), "Good morning." (Reply)
Message from Deep Thought (AI), "I am afraid you do not have proper access to Area: Bridge." (Reply)
Do note that these messages were in response to my requests for help and not my requests to be let into the bridge I've asked for minutes ago confirming that the AI did receive my messages and could have acted upon them.
Description of what happened:
Round start was tator mime. Wasn't too interested with objectives (killing an AI is too much work) so I went for my Headsman sthick again for fun. Grabbed the set of items I usually get and I needed (balaclava, gloves, tools, etc) until the last one. My headsman axe. Went to the bridge but since there was no reason to hack the doors, I pda'd the AI to open it but no answer. Borg passed by and I pointed to the door over and over but it refused to open them and just watched. Another crewmember came past by and told it to open it but it only opened the door once refusing to open the second and stayed and watched again.
By then I got fed up and walked off to decide if I should try atmos to get it but I tried one more time, returning to the door and pdaing the AI. This was when I was shot by random MD (Van Skorvold) while he shouted foul creature and the effects of chloral started kicking in. Because I was messaging the AI with my PDA I started messaging it for help (I can't remember if I messaged it the specifics) but the only reply I got was the above and nothing else. By then MD spaced me.
I ahelped but as always Saegrimr advocates a certain playstyle and supports only what he accepts so I was not going to get any help from him although some of the arguments he had made sense: The AI cannot immediately respond or was interacting with other people in the station. That being said I was already dead and could read chat to know what is going on in the station. The AI has shown signs it received my messages from its earlier replies so I know it did not miss them (and I sent at least 3 requesting for help) It knew there was a risk I was going to be harmed if not already and yet it did not attempt to locate me nor notify anyone else like sec. There was no reason it could not have found me after that either because my sensors were maxed.
Why they should be banned:
I was killed and taken out of the round within 5 minutes because the AI is more interested in its valids rather than following its laws. Silicon policy states that the AI should not be denying law 2 requests to open doors with a few exceptions and none of the exceptions actually include the bridge or EVA (the bridge was for me and EVA was for another assistant that got fed up with the AI's denials and tried hacking the doors himself) This is also the reason why I point out Saegrimr supports only what he accepts and I won't be getting any help from him because despite pointing out the silicon policy, he insists the AI was right in not obeying the law 2 requests. Also there was the risk of a legitimate law 1 threat which the AI has ignored and showed no sign of acting upon or at least confirming. Both the evidence supporting the antithesis of law 1 and law 2 shows that the AI is incapable of playing silicons.
So while I am not asking for a ban for my death and ruined round, I would like for JefftheMighty to be banned from any silicon jobs at least because of his inability to follow his laws in preference of valid hunting and preventing crewmembers from legitimate actions according to his laws without a proper reason. Also ruined antag round fnr.
Your character name: The Headsman (mime)
Their character name: Deep Thought (AI)
Their byond account(optional, but useful if you can provide it): JefftheMighty
Server and time: Sybil 3:30 pm GMT
Logs and/or screenshots: Because I was the mime, I could only talk in PDA which is not recorded unless I receive. This is what I received from the AI in response to my requests.
Message from Deep Thought (AI), "Good morning." (Reply)
Message from Deep Thought (AI), "I am afraid you do not have proper access to Area: Bridge." (Reply)
Do note that these messages were in response to my requests for help and not my requests to be let into the bridge I've asked for minutes ago confirming that the AI did receive my messages and could have acted upon them.
Description of what happened:
Round start was tator mime. Wasn't too interested with objectives (killing an AI is too much work) so I went for my Headsman sthick again for fun. Grabbed the set of items I usually get and I needed (balaclava, gloves, tools, etc) until the last one. My headsman axe. Went to the bridge but since there was no reason to hack the doors, I pda'd the AI to open it but no answer. Borg passed by and I pointed to the door over and over but it refused to open them and just watched. Another crewmember came past by and told it to open it but it only opened the door once refusing to open the second and stayed and watched again.
By then I got fed up and walked off to decide if I should try atmos to get it but I tried one more time, returning to the door and pdaing the AI. This was when I was shot by random MD (Van Skorvold) while he shouted foul creature and the effects of chloral started kicking in. Because I was messaging the AI with my PDA I started messaging it for help (I can't remember if I messaged it the specifics) but the only reply I got was the above and nothing else. By then MD spaced me.
I ahelped but as always Saegrimr advocates a certain playstyle and supports only what he accepts so I was not going to get any help from him although some of the arguments he had made sense: The AI cannot immediately respond or was interacting with other people in the station. That being said I was already dead and could read chat to know what is going on in the station. The AI has shown signs it received my messages from its earlier replies so I know it did not miss them (and I sent at least 3 requesting for help) It knew there was a risk I was going to be harmed if not already and yet it did not attempt to locate me nor notify anyone else like sec. There was no reason it could not have found me after that either because my sensors were maxed.
Why they should be banned:
I was killed and taken out of the round within 5 minutes because the AI is more interested in its valids rather than following its laws. Silicon policy states that the AI should not be denying law 2 requests to open doors with a few exceptions and none of the exceptions actually include the bridge or EVA (the bridge was for me and EVA was for another assistant that got fed up with the AI's denials and tried hacking the doors himself) This is also the reason why I point out Saegrimr supports only what he accepts and I won't be getting any help from him because despite pointing out the silicon policy, he insists the AI was right in not obeying the law 2 requests. Also there was the risk of a legitimate law 1 threat which the AI has ignored and showed no sign of acting upon or at least confirming. Both the evidence supporting the antithesis of law 1 and law 2 shows that the AI is incapable of playing silicons.
So while I am not asking for a ban for my death and ruined round, I would like for JefftheMighty to be banned from any silicon jobs at least because of his inability to follow his laws in preference of valid hunting and preventing crewmembers from legitimate actions according to his laws without a proper reason. Also ruined antag round fnr.