Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

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Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by srifenbyxp » #156921

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Your character name: Geist Dangerous
Their character name: Oldman Robustin
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Server and time: Sybil | Feb (02/24/2016)
Logs and/or screenshots: 2 Logs, 1 Paste Bin
http://pastebin.com/9UMRhyd7


Description of what happened:
I was playing Scientist and research was pretty much maxed out at the time, the HoP basically fucked off the entire round from my observation and even replied to me with, "I'm on strike because I'm not getting paid." Annoyed that because of this and the miners not doing their intended jobs from my perspective at the time I notified the research staff that I'll have to be gather the materials the hard way by B&E. After requesting robotics doors to open up I then stompy stomped my way to cargo and took the quickest way to the mining dock via Sec Outpost > Sec Door {proceeding} > Mining Dock > Two Airlocks > Shuttle Airlock. Beats having to drill around, granted I could had ask cargo but from whomever told me to get permission from the HoS for a order of combat shotguns along will normally restrict access anyhow tagged with my patience I really just wanted to get materials so I could not get robusted on the away mission.

The main issue is that the Captain at the time Oldman Robustin later saw me drilling the sec door at the mining dock and with no warning opened fire, after drilling the door and entering mining I then stopped and tried to engage conversation with him at this point which he still emptied his gun on me.
Spoiler:
You adjust the welding mask down.
You put the wrench into the mechanical toolbox.
You switch the welding tool on.
You weld the internal armor layer to the the ÿRipley chassis.
You put the welding tool into the mechanical toolbox.
You install the external reinforced armor layer to the the ÿRipley chassis.
You secure the external reinforced armor layer.
You put the wrench into the mechanical toolbox.
You weld the external armor layer to the the ÿRipley chassis.
You put the welding tool into the mechanical toolbox.
You attach the hydraulic clamp to the ÿAPLU "Ripley".
You insert 10 metal sheets into the exosuit fabricator.
You adjust the welding mask up.
The exosuit fabricator beeps, "The exosuit drill is complete."
The exosuit fabricator beeps, "The exosuit mining scanner is complete."
The exosuit fabricator beeps, "Queue processing finished successfully."
You put the screwdriver into the backpack.
You attach the exosuit mining scanner to the ÿAPLU "Ripley".
You attach the exosuit drill to the ÿAPLU "Ripley".
Geist Dangerous starts to climb into ÿAPLU "Ripley".
Geist Dangerous says, "Ill be back"
Geist Dangerous says, "Door please"
You switch to the exosuit mining scanner
You switch to the exosuit drill
You switch to no equipment
You select the hydraulic clamp
You switch to the exosuit mining scanner
Geist Dangerous says, "Door please"
You switch to the exosuit drill
[Common] CJ AJ yells, "HOOCH AT BAR!!"
[Common] ÿAutomated Announcement System coldly states, "Florian Reynold has signed up as Shaft Miner"
[Common] Florian Reynold says, "Greetings my friends."
Mercy Mellis asks, "What did you DO?"
[Common] Adan Kirkson exclaims, "Poly is dead!"
The ÿAPLU "Ripley" starts to drill the wall.
The ÿAPLU "Ripley" starts to drill Security Office.
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
Taking damage!
ÿAPLU "Ripley" is hit by the laser.
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
The ÿAPLU "Ripley" armor deflects the projectile
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
Taking damage!
ÿAPLU "Ripley" is hit by the laser.
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
Taking damage!
ÿAPLU "Ripley" is hit by the laser.
Geist Dangerous says, "OI"
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
Taking damage!
ÿAPLU "Ripley" is hit by the laser.
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
Taking damage!
ÿAPLU "Ripley" is hit by the laser.
Oldman Robustin has hit the ÿSecurity Post - Cargo Bay vent pump #1 with the antique laser gun!
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
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You switch to no equipment
You select the hydraulic clamp
Adan Kirkson hits ÿAPLU "Ripley". Nothing happens
Adan Kirkson asks, "Lazarus?"
Oldman Robustin says, "What the fuck"
[Common] ÿAutomated Announcement System coldly states, "Monte Conrad has signed up as Janitor"
Fiona Hope asks, "Say whats going on here captain?"
Geist Dangerous says, "Quit being an ass or youll get stomped"
Oldman Robustin says, "You just drilled into cargo"
Oldman Robustin asks, "StompeD?"
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
Captain at this point emptied his gun on me and then started to talk while we were inside the mining dock, I typed up a warning telling him I was going to stomp his ass if he keeps unloading onto my mech. I wanted to explain the situation but sure enough he kept shooting and after a few shots I began to take action with the intent to make him flee and if needed with bodily harm. That option wasn't available after I came at him so I then switch to the intent to do great bodily harm and send him into critical condition, explain my actions and be on my way. But I was unable to successfully land a squeeze attack as the next proceeding logs show, I had figured I got in a few licks but didn't.

The point of when I told him to fuck off, warned him, I then switched my intent to cause great bodily harm if he continues to damage my mech.
Spoiler:
Oldman Robustin asks, "StompeD?"
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
The ÿAPLU "Ripley" armor deflects the projectile
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
Taking damage!
ÿAPLU "Ripley" is hit by the laser.
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
Taking damage!
ÿAPLU "Ripley" is hit by the laser.
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
The ÿAPLU "Ripley" armor deflects the projectile
Geist Dangerous says, "YOUR HOP"
Adan Kirkson attempted to disarm Oldman Robustin!
Oldman Robustin hits the ÿAPLU "Ripley" with the antique laser gun.
Taking damage!
[Common] ÿAutomated Announcement System coldly states, "Gideon Knowles has signed up as Station Engineer"
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
Adan Kirkson is hit by a laser in the head!
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
Geist Dangerous says, "FUCK OFF"
The ÿAPLU "Ripley" armor deflects the projectile
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
At this point the mech was wrecked and I was down on the ground.
Spoiler:
ÿAPLU "Ripley" is hit by the laser.
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
Taking damage!
ÿAPLU "Ripley" is hit by the laser.
Taking damage!
ÿAPLU "Ripley" is hit by the laser.
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
Oldman Robustin fires the antique laser gun!
Geist Dangerous is hit by a laser in the head!
Oldman Robustin fires the hybrid taser!
Geist Dangerous is hit by an electrode in the head!
Oldman Robustin puts the hybrid taser into the satchel.
Geist Dangerous stammers, "FUC-C-C-CKING-G-G-G FUC-C-CK-K-K"
After I was down on the ground the janitor at the time intervene, pushed the captain down, stunned, and attempted to cuff.
Spoiler:
Adan Kirkson has disarmed Oldman Robustin!
Adan Kirkson has stunned Oldman Robustin with the stunbaton!
Adan Kirkson is trying to put handcuffs on Oldman Robustin!
Oldman Robustin says, "HELP"
Oldman Robustin says, "CARGOO MINIG"
Adan Kirkson has thrown the stunbaton.
Oldman Robustin has been hit by the stunbaton.
Oldman Robustin says, "CARGO"
Geist Dangerous stammers, "AC-CT-T SH-HIT-T-T"
Oldman Robustin says, "HELPO"
Uriel Sutton fires the hybrid taser!
Adan Kirkson is hit by an electrode in the chest!
Uriel Sutton fires the hybrid taser!
Fiona Hope is hit by an electrode in the chest!
Geist Dangerous says, "GET HIT"
Uriel Sutton fires the hybrid taser!
Uriel Sutton fires the hybrid taser!
Adan Kirkson is hit by an electrode in the chest!
Uriel Sutton puts the hybrid taser into the satchel.
Uriel Sutton has stunned Adan Kirkson with the stunbaton!
Oldman Robustin attempts to remove the handcuffs!
Uriel Sutton is trying to put handcuffs on Adan Kirkson!
Florian Reynold puts the resonator into the satchel.
Triskelion is trying to put zipties on Fiona Hope!
Geist Dangerous says, "The captai nis being a shit head"
Uriel Sutton puts the stunbaton into the satchel.
Fiona Hope asks, "What did I do?"
Oldman Robustin says, "THE SCIENTIST"
Geist Dangerous says, "FUCKED MY MECH FOR NO REASON"
Triskelion has hit the ÿMining Dock vent pump #1 with the cyborg disabler!
Oldman Robustin says, "CARGO TECH IS FINE"
Oldman Robustin says, "SCIENTIST IS NOT"
Fiona Hope says, "Alright"
Fiona Hope asks, "What did I do?"
Geist Dangerous says, "YOU DESTORIED ME MECH"
[Common] Larry Burger says, "MY GRANDMAMA DIED TO THAT GARGLEBLASTER, YOU FUCK."
Triskelion is trying to put zipties on Geist Dangerous!
Oldman Robustin says, "CARGO TECH DIDNT DO ANYTHING"
[Common] Aurora Zeal says, "FOUND CLOWN"
Geist Dangerous says, "FOR NO GOD DAM RWEASON"
Fiona Hope asks, "Aside from watch?"
When I was up and able I showed no resistance at the slightest, this is mainly because the entire security staff was present and retaliating in front of them would prove me guilty fast. Because of the janitors action the captain took the shittiest route and figure "RIGHT INTO PERMA!" Which his famous last words were "I'm out of warning" which he didn't even bother to give.
Spoiler:
Geist Dangerous says, "YOU DESTORIED ME MECH"
[Common] Larry Burger says, "MY GRANDMAMA DIED TO THAT GARGLEBLASTER, YOU FUCK."
Triskelion is trying to put zipties on Geist Dangerous!
Oldman Robustin says, "CARGO TECH DIDNT DO ANYTHING"
[Common] Aurora Zeal says, "FOUND CLOWN"
Geist Dangerous says, "FOR NO GOD DAM RWEASON"
Fiona Hope asks, "Aside from watch?"
[Common] Aurora Zeal says, "GONNA GET BACK"
[Common] Larry Burger says, "I SPENT MY LIVER AND MY -"
Mekhi Anderson hugs Oldman Robustin to make him feel better!
[Security] Uriel Sutton says, "Let that cargo tech go."
Mekhi Anderson tries to remove Oldman Robustin's handcuffs.
John Trustworthy tries to remove Fiona Hope's zipties.
Oldman Robustin says, "SCIENTIST FUCKING DRILLED THROUGH A SEC OUTPOST AND TRIED TO KILL ME THANKS"
Triskelion states, "Cargo tech was cleared"
Geist Dangerous says, "Arrest the fuckign captain"
[Common] Not-A-Lizard says, "Help anglena holmes harm"
Triskelion tries to remove Fiona Hope's zipties.
Jebediah Kerman looks a bit pale...
[Common] Not-A-Lizard says, "Borg"
Geist Dangerous says, "YOUR HOP AND YOU WONT DO SHIT"
Fiona Hope says, "Excuse me"
[Security] Uriel Sutton says, "Get the scientist."
Oldman Robustin yells, "YOU DONT FUCKING DRILL INTO SEC OUTPOSTS YOU CUNT!!!"
Mekhi Anderson sniffs.
Mekhi Anderson looks a bit pale...
Fiona Hope says, "I'll be going now"
[Security] Freddy Castiglioni says, "So the hop is really suspicious he was in medbay changing for no reason he has abandoned o"
Geist Dangerous says, "IVE SAID FOR THE PAST TEN FUCKING MINUTES"
[Common] Triskelion states, "Where"
[Common] ÿAutomated Announcement System coldly states, "Supplies-The-Drugs has signed up as Shaft Miner"
Uriel Sutton asks, "And the janitor?"
Geist Dangerous is hit by an electrode in the head!
Oldman Robustin fires the hybrid taser point blank at Geist Dangerous!
Oldman Robustin puts the hybrid taser into the satchel.
Geist Dangerous stammers, "N-NOB-BOD-DY-Y-Y W-WANTS-S-S T-TO L-LIS-STEN-N"
Oldman Robustin is trying to put handcuffs on Geist Dangerous!
Geist Dangerous stammers, "BOR-R-R-RG-G"
Uriel Sutton hugs Adan Kirkson to make him feel better!
[Security] Freddy Castiglioni says, "And now hes arrested"
Mekhi Anderson examines himself.
Oldman Robustin says, "Jsniyot"
Uriel Sutton asks, "Janitor did somethin right?"
Oldman Robustin says, "Err"
Uriel Sutton says, "Or naw"
Oldman Robustin says, "Janitor"
Oldman Robustin says, "Yea"
Geist Dangerous says, "BORG DO THE RIGHT TING"
You're restrained! You can't move!
[Security] Prison Ofitser states, "Arresting level 0 scumbag Silence in Labor Camp."
You're restrained! You can't move!
Oldman Robustin says, "Pushed me when I went to arrest"
Mekhi Anderson sniffs.
Geist Dangerous attempts to remove the handcuffs!
You attempt to remove the handcuffs... (This will take around 1 minutes and you need to stand still.)
Triskelion states, "I'm robocop before any law orders come"
Oldman Robustin says, "And stunned, cuffed me"
Fiona Hope says, "Hos a word"
Oldman Robustin says, "Bring em both to perma"
Oldman Robustin says, "Im out of warning"
You fail to remove the handcuffs!
Jebediah Kerman sniffs.
Fiona Hope says, "If you don't mind"
Geist Dangerous says, "Eat a dick"
[Common] ÿAutomated Announcement System coldly states, "Saurok-Khan has signed up as Atmospheric Technician"
You're restrained! You can't move!
Uriel Sutton asks, "Wew perma?"
Oldman Robustin has disarmed Geist Dangerous!
Uriel Sutton says, "WEW"
Oldman Robustin attemped to disarm Geist Dangerous!
Oldman Robustin attemped to disarm Geist Dangerous!
Oldman Robustin attemped to disarm Geist Dangerous!
Oldman Robustin attemped to disarm Geist Dangerous!
Geist Dangerous says, "Unfucing cuff me"
Oldman Robustin has pushed Geist Dangerous!
Your armor softens your fall!
Uriel Sutton has stunned you with the stunbaton!
Uriel Sutton puts the stunbaton into the satchel.
Mekhi Anderson examines himself.
Janitor Cyborg-736 begins to clean the floor with the soap...
Uriel Sutton has pushed Adan Kirkson!
You're restrained! You can't move!
You're restrained! You can't move!
Not-A-Lizard says, "Yeah what the fuck"
At this point I admin helped it and Lzimann handled the situation with no action being taken for either side in the end. The proceeding events followed:
Spoiler:
PM to-Admins: right so the captai nis mighty shit and is permaing me for something that should be a brigable offense

Admin PM from-Lzimann: What happened?

PM to-Admins: HoP didnt feel like doing his job and fucked off the entire round, miners didnt want to do their job and R&D needed materials so I drilled my way into mining dock. Captain feels like not only destorying my Riply but permaing me for the janitors action

Admin PM from-Lzimann: I'll talk with him.

PM to-Admins: I did squeez the captai nonce or twice in self defense

Admin PM from-Lzimann: But did he start shooting at you and THEN you squeezed him? Because the ripley's squeeze does quite a bit of damage and it's really easy to kill someone with it.

PM to-Admins: He shot me first then I squeezed, pull the logs yourself he shot me quite ALOT before I struck back

PM to-Admins: I even stopped and told him to fuck off a number of times as he was shooting me

Admin PM from-Lzimann: Why exactly did you drill into sec's outpost?

PM to-Admins: quickest way really, beats drilling into maintenance, then another door, then two other air locks

PM to-Admins: then again consider the fact that the HoP was 'On strike' miners wasnts doing jack shit and captai nwas being an ass for god knows what

Admin PM from-Lzimann: Honestly, I'll have to call it valid here, you drilled into sec's outpost and attacked captain(after you threatned him and he shot you).
I further contested Lzimann's decision, reexplaining the events from when I had cooled off.
Spoiler:
PM to-Admins: he shot at me and then I threaten him

PM to-Admins: dam dude didnt even give me a warning he just shot at me

Admin PM from-Lzimann: Ok, so you drilled into the sec outpost WHILE he was there?

PM to-Admins: no I was already drilling the sec door outpost to get onto mining dock, then he opened fire with no warning

PM to-Admins: rather let me retype that, he saw me drilling sec outpost door then open fire. Sorry im pissed because he really fucked me over and your saying its vaild

PM to-Admins: So unless KOS for B&E at most is valid then, shit dude I'd rather take this up with a headmin

Admin PM from-Lzimann: Don't think you will find a headmin right now, I'm looking into the logs to see the events(it doesn't show attack on mechs in-game)

PM to-Admins: pssh hold on whats the typesite for posting logs, rawpaste or something? Ill uplad it or even PM you via fourms the entire event

Admin PM from-Lzimann: Pastebin

PM to-Admins: give me five minutes, got 60 wpm going

Admin PM from-Lzimann: Alright.

Admin PM from-Lzimann: Did the ripley have a name?

PM to-Admins: nah just ripley

Admin PM from-Lzimann: Lovely, the logs don't show anything.

PM to-Admins: http://pastebin.com/9UMRhyd7
At this time Lzimann read the log which took a good couple of minutes, I'd say about nearly 10 minutes, maybe less I don't know how quick he read. I figured he went and made a sandwhich, after reading the logs he did overturn his decision by not taking action.
Spoiler:
Admin PM from-Lzimann: So, was thinking about it, while it was really shitty the captain open fire like that, you were breaking into a sec outpost. The perma was probably because you attacked him(in self defense, but still). So yes, unless you really want to take it foward to a headmin, I'm not taking any action here.
Why they should be banned: Opened fired with no warning for a minor offense of Trespass under spess law guidelines and lied about it. This could had easily been a brig-able offense for a maximum ten minutes. He stated that he gave me a warning when he didn't at all, using this to justify his perma-brigging; because he was having a bad round he figure to take the easy way out and make every offense a perma-offense. He showed failure to judge a crime and punishment which proves shouldn't be allowed be allowed to play Captain or Security roles temporarily. Over all the situation escalated in a such a shitty manner with Oldman Robustin being the aggressor. If he would had brigged me yeah I would had been pissed knowing he had some justification to it.

Even though I will contest Lzimann ability to administrate situations, he handled it fairly well and in a smart end game by taking the safe route.
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by Oldman Robustin » #156987

I had already sent out a stationwide announcement that we had gone to zero tolerance on shitty crew breaking the law. I had already grabbed two assistants from space trying to hit up the HOS office and several more who broke into sec in more conventional ways. Everyone in sec agreed it was time to bring down the hammer. I made the warning about sec cracking down in nice big red stationwide letters so even the most retarded players *cough* could see that we were dropping harsh penalties on tiders and lawbreakers.

Fast forward to this incident, i see you after youve drilled completely through a sec office for no reason. I use lasers because youre in a fucking mech tearing apart a sec office dipshit. Once you stop i give you a chance to explain yourself while i hold fire. After breaking the law shortly after I issued the zero tolerance warning, you sit there and proceed to threaten to kill me if I continue to damage your precious sec-crashing mech. I rarely lord my authority when im captain, its tiresome, but if you think any captain worth his skin is going to sit there and have a mech break into a sec office and then back down when theyre threatened and attacked, youve got a really shitty perspective.

If you had done anything besides threaten me or attack me I wouldve talked it through and settled on a short sentence or even parole if you demonstrated contrition and could quickly repair the damage you caused. Instead you seem to have deluded yourself into thinking that a Ripley made you the new captain and I should just bend over and let you drill your way through whatever pesky security offices get in your way.

Lzimann asked me for my side of the story and that made it an easy call.
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by Saegrimr » #156989

Yeah I dunno you kind fucked up there by threatening and then attacking him with a mech.

Were you expecting another outcome?
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by TheNightingale » #157026

Saegrimr wrote:Yeah I dunno you kind fucked up there by threatening and then attacking him with a mech.

Were you expecting another outcome?
Oldman, Captain, fired first, hitting with seven laser shots, during which Geist says "OI!" (and Oldman continues to fire). After Geist tells him not to and threatens him, he fires eleven more times, destroying the mech, then twice more at Geist (hitting once). He only explains himself after Geist is apprehended by Security. I'm fairly sure this ban request is about Oldman shooting first on undoubtedly lethal intent (seven lasers?), without giving any form of warning.

Doesn't the Captain have access to a sec gas mask anyway, so they can go "Stop, or I'll shoot!" and warn a criminal first without having to type it out?

E: Oldman was the Captain, Steelpoint was right.
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by Steelpoint » #157028

Isn't Oldman the Captain in this scenario though?
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by peoplearestrange » #157031

So Lzimann when throught this situation with me in IRC.
From hearing what they said, I believe there should be no further action.

Simply put the Captain shouldn't have open fired without word, but when you threatened and then tried to attack them you basically validated their actions IC and removed any reasoning to deal with in IC.
Whatever
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by srifenbyxp » #157034

If you had done anything besides threaten me or attack me I wouldve talked it through and settled on a short sentence or even parole if you demonstrated contrition and could quickly repair the damage you caused. Instead you seem to have deluded yourself into thinking that a Ripley made you the new captain and I should just bend over and let you drill your way through whatever pesky security offices get in your way.
Now this is after you felt like unloading your gun on me, if you would had said something before being a total dick I wouldn't had threaten you, you knew it was a shitty thing to do and continued to do it anyway. If you were really going to do your intended quote you shouldn't had unloaded onto me first. You had the intent to kill and attacked with with no warning so of course I would retaliate. You made it so you wouldn't have to think about proper punishment and figure perma for everybody. You show an utter lack of judgement when playing Captain that's why I want you banned from Captain and Security, because you'll probably do the same shit again and barely get away from it.

Also for a tl'rd

I threatened him after he unloaded onto my mech, refused to engage in conversation in the entire event and perma brigged me for the janitors action to boot
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by kevinz000 » #157039

Threatening a head of staff with death while you're in a mech that can easily kill someone if they are held in place (ripley drill) is a bad way to make friends and I think oldman just doesn't want the possiblity of you actually doing it and killing him.
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by srifenbyxp » #157040

And I'm to assume it takes the average person to type Oi or Stop three minutes? If this shit flies then I'm going to believe any one can shoot first and ask questions later as long as they're in a slow moving mech with no ranged weapons. That and why he screamed bloody murder at me when the janitor was the one who actually managed to stun the captain.
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by Steelpoint » #157045

You were breaking into a Security held area in a mech after Security and Command warned the crew to stop acting shit and to stop BREAKING INTO SEC.

What were you honestly expecting? I don't see any reason why he even had to tell you to stop.

Did you just stop and think why it might look bad if someone saw you breaking into a security held area during a tense scenario?
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by srifenbyxp » #157050

So the actions of another person should be punishable to everybody is what I'm guessing was proper that round.
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by Oldman Robustin » #157056

When you're in a mech and you commit crimes, you invite whatever wrath security may bring.

I learned that lesson 3 years ago when on more than one occasion I lost much more valuable mechs due to trifling crimes like breaking into EVA.

As I opened fire the mech had already broken the wall from the hallway into the security outpost, and was breaking the next door from the outpost into mining dock. Even as I fired my laser the mech didn't stop, didn't surrender or yield, and the pilot didn't get out. When you're actively committing a crime in the presence of the goddamn captain, I shouldn't have to say "STOP!" for you to understand that you need to fucking quit it. The moment you stopped breaking shit and running from me was the moment I stopped firing my laser.

If you had handled that situation responsibly you wouldn't have lost the mech at all, instead you treated it like some kind of bubble that made you immune to crime. I wasn't attacking you with lethal intent, I was attacking you with *stop fucking breaking shit with your mech* intent. The moment you popped out of the mech, I switched to a taser.

Waiting for the public logs too because you didn't include the giant captain's announcement warning you that doing shit precisely like taking a Ripley and carving your way through a secure area was going to going to get 0-tolerance.
srifenbyxp wrote:So the actions of another person should be punishable to everybody is what I'm guessing was proper that round.
1) Yes, thats well established policy. If sec is knee-deep in greyshit and you join the tide, don't be surprised if you earn a summary execution even if its "just" trespassing into the brig.

2) It's doubly-true when the captain makes a station-wide announcement that sec has reached its limit for shitty crew acting like shit and henceforth criminals would receive no mercy. What part of you heard that announcement and though "yea I should go drill through a sec outpost in a mech with the captain watching and then totally threaten and attack him when he confronts me... oh and when I inevitably get fucked, I should adminhelp and then open a ban request".

God knows if I tried something like that I'd be the one eating a ban for ban-baiting because nobody would ever believe that I was that stupid. This wasn't one of those situations where there might have been some misunderstanding, you were drilling straight through a security outpost with the fucking captain watching.
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by Steelpoint » #157057

There's also the fact that there's no non-lethal way to shut down a mech in the game. You only have the Ion Gun or lethal weapons, both of which simply destroy the mech, the Ion Gun being quicker.
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by srifenbyxp » #157071

Well shit I guess it's perfectly valid to be completely shitty and forcefully rip some one from a mech before talking then. I'll be sure to reference this in cases when like a regular person tells some one to exit and they ignore me. Or maybe not at and just shoot them anyways.
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Post by Steelpoint » #157092

Are you a moron or do you just act like one ironically?

There is a big fucking difference between someone strolling down a PUBLIC corridor in a mech VERSUS a mech BREAKING INTO a security held area AFTER the Captain and Security have explicitly warned the crew to NOT break into Security due to it being a regular occurrence.

I sincerely hope that the clot in that thing you call a brain is not thick enough yet for you to understand this simple concept.

You broke the law, you smashed your way into a secure area, and to top it off you did this while security was on high alert.

So unless you have a medical license requiring you to get your adrenaline rush by being a fuckwit and breaking into area's then complaining when the station's security and command stomps on you, then please consider not smashing into secure areas.
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Post by TheNightingale » #157097

Assuming this is Boxstation, this was the Cargo security post (which has an access-restricted Security console, and no locker - Box doesn't have departmental Sec lockers). It was hardly the Armory, or even the Brig. It's hardly difficult to go "Stop, or I'll shoot!" - and you'd think that being armed with a lethal-only weapon (the antique laser) carries with it the responsibility to use it correctly. It's not like it was a Durand with an AC2, Solaris and Hades carbine.
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by Oldman Robustin » #157107

srifenbyxp wrote:Well shit I guess it's perfectly valid to be completely shitty and forcefully rip some one from a mech before talking then. I'll be sure to reference this in cases when like a regular person tells some one to exit and they ignore me. Or maybe not at and just shoot them anyways.
I didnt destroy the mech until you threatened and attacked me. Before that it was a simple welder fix, a far easier fix than replacing a security door. Note that even once I opened fire you continued to drill/destroy the security door.

My very presence there should have been a giant STOP/CEASE/HALT/FUCKINGQUITDESTROYINGSHIT signal for you. This wasn't an ambiguous crime. This wasn't breaking into engineering for gloves when an AI goes rogue, or breaking into medbay to get healing for serious wounds. This was you busting up a sec outpost right in front of the captain, if my presence there didn't make you stop then I wasn't going to waste my breath on the off-chance you somehow thought it was acceptable to do that shit after I made my announcement. I speak from a large volume of experience when I say that manually stopping to talk to someone while they actively commit a senseless crime in your presence is a waste 99% of the time. It's like asking a nukeop to stop shooting you or a cultist to spare you, they (you in this instance) clearly dpn't give a shit about what I thought about the situation. When there's ambiguous crime (stealing out of necessity, victimless crimes, crimes of ignorance or confusion, etc.) then it makes sense to chat up the criminal, drilling through a fucking sec office because you're too lazy to go around and ask the cargo tech to open the fucking door is not one of those ambiguous situations.

Hopefully this was a lesson for you because I will not be the last person to shit on your mech if you decide to go drilling through departments for no reason.
TheNightingale wrote:Assuming this is Boxstation, this was the Cargo security post (which has an access-restricted Security console, and no locker - Box doesn't have departmental Sec lockers). It was hardly the Armory, or even the Brig. It's hardly difficult to go "Stop, or I'll shoot!" - and you'd think that being armed with a lethal-only weapon (the antique laser) carries with it the responsibility to use it correctly. It's not like it was a Durand with an AC2, Solaris and Hades carbine.
I already explained my logic, but I'll add that security had been getting greytide all shift under this logic of yours. People who seems to think that as long as they don't raid the armory that its ok to bust into RND/cargo/engineering/etc. and there won't be consequences. I was using my laser correctly. If Geist had been removing that shit with an RCD on foot I would tase first and ask questions later. With a mech there's no tase option, so I fire a volley of lasers to give them the general fucking idea that they should stop drilling down security walls/doors. My strategy worked, the mech fucking stopped running and we had a chance to talk. Unfortunately Geist took the "stupid shithead" route and threatening/attacking the captain for something that could be fixed in 5 seconds with a welder.

Don't want your mech lasered? Then don't go fucking drilling through a sec office just a few minutes after the captain made a VERY LARGE announcement that there would be zero-tolerance for this type of shitty crime. Geist got his "STOP" from the Captain's Desk announcement before he drilled that wall, her stupidity is not my burden to bear.
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by Malkevin » #157111

TheNightingale wrote:Doesn't the Captain have access to a sec gas mask anyway, so they can go "Stop, or I'll shoot!" and warn a criminal first without having to type it out?

E: Oldman was the Captain, Steelpoint was right.
You realise I added those things as a joke right?
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by Luke Cox » #157122

If I was captain that round, you would be hanging from a meathook in security, possibly on fire. Using a mech for illegal shit alone is grounds for sec to smash it up, and after you threatened Oldman he would have had every right to shoot you to death even after the mech was destroyed.
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by capi duffman » #157181

The answer in conflict should always be proportional to the estimated threat of your foe.

In this case? For all that the captain knew, a greyshit in a mech was breaking in yet another security area, a bigass message was broadcasted, warning about tolerance zero about greytiders, and there was simply no way to stop the mech, short of half-wreacking it, so the message came through by shooting the Mech. Your answer was threats, against the captain, you fully deserve having your mech destroyed, and then getting your ass hauled to perma.
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by Ivan Issaccs » #157205

Could this entire situation not have been resolved by requesting access to mining from the Captain, because as much of a turd-burglar as Oldman is, he aint the type to refuse mining access to scientists.
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by Saegrimr » #157207

Sounds like the cap had his hands full dealing with greytide shitters.

Honestly I wonder if this would have played out the same way if he'd just hacked the front door instead of drilling through the sec post.
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Re: Oldman Robustin - KOS intent B&E in mining - no warning

Post by Incomptinence » #157387

The bloody misdirection in this opening post and the thread title. It was not KOS intent you got hit by a laser once in person then sent to perma, if he intended to kill you on the spot you definitely provided enough rope but he didn't. When the captain wants you killed right away that security team will just close over you like a clam shell of loving batons.
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Post by Saegrimr » #157389

I think i'm going to file this under "actions have consequences" and "mechs fucking suck", and close this.

Also Robustin you can't assume everybody has seen your "I AM THE LAW" announcement and then go blasting latejoiners who do something dumb, for example. So a little better discretion on that, please.
Though you did mention "If Geist had been removing that shit with an RCD on foot I would tase first and ask questions later" so you probably understand already.
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