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My sister, I have a good feeling about them by seeing their actions as an admin, also Cat :3

this isn't helpful at dispelling perceptions of a perceived clique of admins around a certain concept

Good player, good admin. Knowledgeable about game mechanics and an absolute pleasure to play with. Helps players quite a bit, but I think they might be a cat. More observation is required, but expect great things!

oranges wrote:this isn't helpful at dispelling perceptions of a perceived clique of admins around a certain concept

who cares

nobody, until it grows into a toxic meme perpetuated over time and inevitably causes a massive drama explosion as one or more admins from either side fall.

Then suddenly everyone has a stake

Regulating what you say because it might cause a toxic meme is dumb. Also Cat :3

friendly and knowledgeable, reminds me of okand a bit

Going to respond to the sudden surge of feedback in general terms!

cat clique

To put my cards on the table: I don't play a catperson, I'm an active participant in "that other discord" and have no intent to treat people differently based on perceived membership of one side or the other. I've argued in favour of the related features in the past, but I have no intent to let that affect what decisions I make as a trialmin!

other feedback

Thank you! It's still early days but I hope to live up to the expectations set for me.

Cat

Insufficient cat.

Arianya wrote:Going to respond to the sudden surge of feedback in general terms!

cat clique

To put my cards on the table: I don't play a catperson, I'm an active participant in "that other discord" and have no intent to treat people differently based on perceived membership of one side or the other. I've argued in favour of the related features in the past, but I have no intent to let that affect what decisions I make as a trialmin!

but what about when you are promoted? you have to think far into the future

dont tell me it's an if, anyone who's made trialmin will nearly always be promoted and demotion to trial is just a formality.

BeeSting12 wrote: but what about when you are promoted? you have to think far into the future

dont tell me it's an if, anyone who's made trialmin will nearly always be promoted and demotion to trial is just a formality.

BeeSting thats literally 3 months from now who knows what anyone will be like by then.

maybe the anime coup d'etat upon the headminship, codership and hostship will be completed by then, in which case I won't have to abide by any promises as I play 1000% volume anime midis after the permission to disable playing them is gone.

Arianya wrote:

BeeSting12 wrote: but what about when you are promoted? you have to think far into the future

dont tell me it's an if, anyone who's made trialmin will nearly always be promoted and demotion to trial is just a formality.

BeeSting thats literally 3 months from now who knows what anyone will be like by then.

maybe the anime coup d'etat upon the headminship, codership and hostship will be completed by then, in which case I won't have to abide by any promises as I play 1000% volume anime midis after the permission to disable playing them is gone.

if you actually play loud anime midis you should not do that, serious advice
players will just turn off admin midis forever and then we cant use a cool feature for actually thematically fitting music

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Arianya wrote:

BeeSting12 wrote: but what about when you are promoted? you have to think far into the future

dont tell me it's an if, anyone who's made trialmin will nearly always be promoted and demotion to trial is just a formality.

BeeSting thats literally 3 months from now who knows what anyone will be like by then.

maybe the anime coup d'etat upon the headminship, codership and hostship will be completed by then, in which case I won't have to abide by any promises as I play 1000% volume anime midis after the permission to disable playing them is gone.

if you actually play loud anime midis you should not do that, serious advice
players will just turn off admin midis forever and then we cant use a cool feature for actually thematically fitting music

can confirm I turned off my midis a long time ago due to songs being basically queued up for the whole round

PKPenguin321 wrote:

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Arianya wrote:

BeeSting12 wrote: but what about when you are promoted? you have to think far into the future

dont tell me it's an if, anyone who's made trialmin will nearly always be promoted and demotion to trial is just a formality.

BeeSting thats literally 3 months from now who knows what anyone will be like by then.

maybe the anime coup d'etat upon the headminship, codership and hostship will be completed by then, in which case I won't have to abide by any promises as I play 1000% volume anime midis after the permission to disable playing them is gone.

if you actually play loud anime midis you should not do that, serious advice
players will just turn off admin midis forever and then we cant use a cool feature for actually thematically fitting music

that's my other child that plays all the midis

though, they know to only play good stuff now less often. It's a slow process to figure out what the server likes. Usually just playing gaming OSTs are good though.

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Arianya wrote:

BeeSting12 wrote: but what about when you are promoted? you have to think far into the future

dont tell me it's an if, anyone who's made trialmin will nearly always be promoted and demotion to trial is just a formality.

BeeSting thats literally 3 months from now who knows what anyone will be like by then.

maybe the anime coup d'etat upon the headminship, codership and hostship will be completed by then, in which case I won't have to abide by any promises as I play 1000% volume anime midis after the permission to disable playing them is gone.

if you actually play loud anime midis you should not do that, serious advice
players will just turn off admin midis forever and then we cant use a cool feature for actually thematically fitting music

Anime midis are so out right now, unless its a spicy anime meme round. Aloraydrel has all the hot midis for the summer this year, theyre very in.

In other news,
I only have good things to say about them so far. They take the game seriously and they do a lot of work for this community. Although I don't get to see them on too often since they're on bong time, I appreciate the work they've done for the server so far and they're not scared to admin on Terry. Definitely see a lot of potential ahead for them.

One of the few admins that actually responds to prayers and centcomm messages. Is a fun and light-hearted admin.

If I had to describe them, it'd be like seeing a superhero who comes to save the day at the last moment. Unironically they're always there when the players need them and that's great. Amazing admin.

This admin was very rude to me, and they told me that I belonged in the garbage. I am deeply saddened by this.

EDIT: Also their forum avatar creeps me out, and they should change it to a nicer looking anime girl.

giving cuban pete virus and killing 3/4 of the crew during extended is not a good event

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:giving cuban pete virus and killing 3/4 of the crew during extended is not a good event

pretty sure that's subjective.

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:giving cuban pete virus and killing 3/4 of the crew during extended is not a good event

The event was intended to play off some already occuring explosion related shenanigans, and the person who was the first infectee received a (cryptic) message before being infected, as well as being infected when they were in the medbay.

The patient zero was in fact caught by a virologist early on, who stopped him and scanned him, but was unsure what the disease was and went away to examine a blood sample in a pandemic machine, and crucially, left the patient free to roam the station, meaning that the on-contact infection spread quickly.

That said, the cure wasn't immediately obvious due to the meme-y nature of the disease (it's ground up plasma bars for future reference) and events were compounded by an unfortunate ion law interpretation by an AI which led them to disable cloning and try to meltdown the SM.

I'll take on board that there are better ways to run this kind of event, and that rhumba beat may not be the best virus to use for such events given it's rapid spreading and progression, though I will say it's one of the more interesting diseases to see the crew react to.

subject217 wrote:This admin was very rude to me, and they told me that I belonged in the garbage. I am deeply saddened by this.

EDIT: Also their forum avatar creeps me out, and they should change it to a nicer looking anime girl.

this is slander and i must fistfight you\

addendum:
Exceeded all expectations I could have had.

I know they'll do well as headmin. Still has the same good traits as before and I'm happy to see they're using them to help this server.

Negative. Biased rulings in favor of an admin. Assimilation (gamemode) and Hivemind Hosts (antags) may be OOC in IC, but not hiveminds.

BOI HE DID IT

Istoprocent1 wrote:Biased rulings in favor of an admin.

this parts correct

Istoprocent1 wrote:Negative. Biased rulings in favor of an admin. Assimilation (gamemode) and Hivemind Hosts (antags) may be OOC in IC, but not hiveminds.

Listen, I understand it's hard playing this game while being disabled. But you need to understand, that saying 'It's hivemind.' in IC chat multiple times is considered OOC in IC. It's very easy to avoid breaking this rule by merely replacing 'it's' with 'there's.' Saying 'it's revs' means you're saying the gamemode is revs. Saying 'there's revs' means you're saying there's revs on the station.

Istoprocent1 wrote:Negative. Biased rulings in favor of an admin. Assimilation (gamemode) and Hivemind Hosts (antags) may be OOC in IC, but not hiveminds.

The line between IC and OOC is well-defined. Your inability to understand how to not break our only rule about immersion is pretty telling.

Nervere wrote:

Istoprocent1 wrote:Negative. Biased rulings in favor of an admin. Assimilation (gamemode) and Hivemind Hosts (antags) may be OOC in IC, but not hiveminds.

The line between IC and OOC is well-defined. Your inability to understand how to not break our only rule about immersion is pretty telling.

They kinda aren't. It would be nice if they were well-defined in the default rules to begin with. Including phrases or words that are so immersion breaking that they have to be punished. Just an idea.

Not interested in getting into details here, but just using "its" being problematic instead of not using any verbs such as "hiveminds!!!" is retarded.

Lol maybe you shouldn’t break the rules moron

Qbmax32 wrote:Lol maybe you shouldn’t break the rules moron

Thats the main issue here. There are no clear cut rules for OOC in IC. I double checked the main rules (other than the niche policy, which shouldn't be used as the main rules, of saying "its" gamemode or antag). Obviously we have established that unironic uses of some words are against the rules as well. Trying to figure the rules out so I wouldn't even come close to breaking them, meanwhile I expect the rules being applied to everybody not encouraging admins apply them selectively.

if you understand what immersion is and are making an effort to maintain it, it's pretty obvious how to avoid ooc in ic.

subject217 wrote:if you understand what immersion is and are making an effort to maintain it, it's pretty obvious how to avoid ooc in ic.

I fully understand what immersion is and am able to immerse myself. The OOC in IC rule needs to be clarified, because somebody could say that using numerals in chat is breaking their immersion or not having perfect grammar or semantics can break theirs. If admins are just punishing players for vague rules or even worse selectively apply these rules, then it becomes a problem.

funny how nobody has this problem except for you, huh?

also this is completely off topic and not feedback for arianya so

subject217 wrote:funny how nobody has this problem except for you, huh?

also this is completely off topic and not feedback for arianya so

Thats the off topic you brought up yourself. People dont have a problem, because reasonable admins are not enforcing every single nuance of OOC in IC. I had a negative experience and now am helping out admins for free, because I respect the rules and I do want to see them being applied equally.

Holy fuck how many threads have to be ruined by this. Put him on post approval already.

Can I point out to everyone who says our rules are too long.

People like istoprocent are the reason why.

Istoprocent1 wrote:Negative. Biased rulings in favor of an admin. Assimilation (gamemode) and Hivemind Hosts (antags) may be OOC in IC, but not hiveminds.

The issue in that appeal was never the specific word, but the way the sentence was worded. Several people spent a substantial amount of time in that thread trying to explain it to you, and I doubt I can do better so at this point you're just going to have to take it on the chin that the way you worded those statements is bad.

Regardless, complaining in my feedback about the policy is a waste of everyone's time. If you understand why you got noted but think the policy should be different then its a policy discussion. Spending your time taking potshots at admins or making facetious ahelps isn't helping you, other players or the administration.

Nilons wrote:this parts correct

I appreciate you dislike having posts deleted over peanut policy in FNR, and I did try to explain to you the distinction between your post and others, but at this point you're just salting over it without even adding anything of substance to the conversation.

The personification of plain steamed white jasmine rice.

But for real, dude's a pretty alright admin. Doesn't seem too prone to favoritism or bursts of autistic outrage, and my interactions with her have been positive.

They can use very big words and sometimes I need to ask them to simplify things because I can barely comprehend them.

Pretty good at silencing any of my arguments with facts and logic.

Good leading material for this alone. If you can't complain then it isn't bad to follow the way of another.

Arianya wrote:

Nilons wrote:this parts correct

I appreciate you dislike having posts deleted over peanut policy in FNR, and I did try to explain to you the distinction between your post and others, but at this point you're just salting over it without even adding anything of substance to the conversation.

you can assume Im talking about you deleting my posts all you want but im not

Nilons wrote:

Arianya wrote:

Nilons wrote:this parts correct

I appreciate you dislike having posts deleted over peanut policy in FNR, and I did try to explain to you the distinction between your post and others, but at this point you're just salting over it without even adding anything of substance to the conversation.

you can assume Im talking about you deleting my posts all you want but im not

Assumptions are all I can make when you make a 3 word post with no context or actual feedback.

Arianya wrote:

Nilons wrote:

Arianya wrote:

Nilons wrote:this parts correct

I appreciate you dislike having posts deleted over peanut policy in FNR, and I did try to explain to you the distinction between your post and others, but at this point you're just salting over it without even adding anything of substance to the conversation.

you can assume Im talking about you deleting my posts all you want but im not

Assumptions are all I can make when you make a 3 word post with no context or actual feedback.

You are biased in favour of admins in pretty much every ruling you make, you've even gone so far as to overturn an admin lifting a ban purely because you didn't like the appeal. It makes it very frustrating to be a player when you know that there will be no recourse if an admin does anything wrong because youll always side with them regardless of what is on the rules page or expected of them

You've upheld admin's bans that are specifically allowed by the rules as well, you can get banned on the server right now for something that the rules specifically say that you can do with a good chance of it being upheld because of you. You've admitted in your resolution of complaints that they're 100% true but since the admin said he felt bad there wont be action. Only for that admin to have an ungodly amount of also not upheld complaints a little later.

Im not posting out of salt at some deleted posts I just wish you'd be a better headmin

edit: im not talking about iso hes retarded this is separate

Rustledjimm wrote:Can I point out to everyone who says our rules are too long.

People like istoprocent are the reason why.

Rules need to be well-defined. Punishing people at a whim, because they weren't active at forums and read bunch of random topics is whats causing player frustration, even more if players are able to see that these obscure policies are applied selectively. I reported Fortifying Brig policy multiple times and admins never did anything about it, even though it was exactly as important rule break as adding specific nouns or verbs before the active threat instead of cutting the communication down to random screams of "ENGI IS CULT" or "CULT!!!" or "REVS!!". To be honest it is silly to nitpick on semantics, when nobody clearly referenced to a gamemode or antags. And now Aryiana has made an incorrect call by backing up an incorrect call of another admin.

I get why people are not eager to come to the forums, when its just admins and friends dogpiling on them and turning every negative topic into a dumpster fire, then suggesting these people should be punished on forums for defending their positions, because admins themselves started off-topic discussions. Who is going to police the police, if not the community?

All I ask for is the rules to applied evenly and not use personal bias to punish players admin doesn't like or feign ignorance when it comes to punishing those they do.

Edit: There could have been a case if somebody said "It is Assimilation" or "It is Nuclear Emergency". And one couldn't even say "We have an Assimilation" or "We have an Nuclear Emergency" without it looking iffy.

Nilons wrote:you've even gone so far as to overturn an admin lifting a ban purely because you didn't like the appeal.

is this because of the "i sold my wife for internet" appeal who was clearly done in bad faith? reducing it to "because you didn't like the appeal" isn't right. also, it'd be unfair for people who actually write their appeals seriously and get denied anyways like lol just say dumb shit and get unbanned. in fact that same person wrote their appeal again, this time admitting that they were in the wrong, and got unbanned with no headmin intervention.
if this isn't because of that one, i apologize, but i think the full context is important.

Another 100% non-biased quick ruling by Arianya, justifying TheMidnightRose and Nervere, who finds that "anybody breaking into captain's quarters, breaking open the locker, stealing the spare ID and distributing all access across the station" is at no fault.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 23&t=21080