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ForsakenMe wrote:

Vekter wrote:Context: Forsaken was ban requested for being a minor shitter, we had a small discussion, and he claims someone hacked his computer to join on his old character name and tell borgs to suicide.

He was banned for failing to keep his account or computer safe.

No, i said that i THINK that happened, because i never played as Pietro Burns again... only as Noir Tueur/Bigby Wolf.

rdght91 wrote:

ForsakenMe wrote:

Vekter wrote:Context: Forsaken was ban requested for being a minor shitter, we had a small discussion, and he claims someone hacked his computer to join on his old character name and tell borgs to suicide.

He was banned for failing to keep his account or computer safe.

No, i said that i THINK that happened, because i never played as Pietro Burns again... only as Noir Tueur/Bigby Wolf.

Is that spiderman at the bottom of that gif?

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Vekter's a cool admin, yo. Does cool admin stuff and reks bad dudes.

his current forum avatar is super funny

Vekter was re-added as a trial admin.

funnyass avatar, friendly admin.

Ayyy thanks, good to be back.

Sets wide sweeping precedents like "Don't kill anyone as captain unless theyre killing you or are a murderer, its not hard"

Not a goodmin

While you didn't change my icon_state to sec-tread as I had initially hoped for, you actually did change it (to engi-tread), through that alone you have displayed expertise, skill and contributed more to the game than Kevinz ever will, as such you have earned a positive reply on your feedback thread from yours truly. God bless your soul Vekter.

Keep the servers safe from evil griffers

Judging by the two recent cases, the ban appeal and admin complaint, he needs time to adjust to modern /tg/station's rules/policies, but otherwise seems to be a good admin and person in general, having seen him in OOC a few times.

Boinked me for cremating someone who admitted to being a monkey with an armblade I encountered earlier who hit me with said armblade. In a round with several confirmed lings.

His whole reasoning was PEOPLE DON'T ADMIT TO CRIMES.

Admin PM from-Vekter: And you're certain it wasn't a foam armblade?
PM to-Admins: The monkey (573) has hit Research Division Access with the arm blade!

Admin PM from-Vekter: It really seems more like a case of poor decision making, I suppose. He wouldn't tell you he was that monkey if he was a ling. I figure there's better ways to handle the matter until you're certain he's a changeling, especially since killing him doesn't really *do* anything if he is one.

It's almost as if SS13 is a game of paranoia or something.

I'll be honest, Vekter seems like someone who has absolutely no idea what our current rules and policies are.

This is why I usually tell people who come back after a long absence to play the game for a month or so as a player to get in touch again and see if they actually enjoy the game still instead of letting them jump straight back into adminning.

Vekter has been asking lots of questions in adminbus to try and get caught up but it's been a really long time.

Look, I was trying to handle the situation as neutrally as I could. I didn't have all of the facts. If someone PMs me about a situation and just says "sec officer killed me" and gives me very little details, I'm going to ask you questions. I told you that because I figured, eh, maybe there's some other way to handle it, especially when the guy outright tells you he was a monkey earlier and claims to not be a changeling. Yeah, he probably was, and you were justified in what you did, which is why I didn't note you or ban you for it.

Perhaps you should work on the wording then, it seemed to heavily imply I was in the wrong.

>poor decision making, I suppose.
Cremating someone who had an armblade, was monkey and hit me with the armblade is poor decision making while we're dealing with multiple lings and a dice of fate wizard blowing shit up. ok.jpg

>He wouldn't tell you he was that monkey if he was a ling.
This to me seemed like he misspoke in the moment while justifying another thing he did.

>I figure there's better ways to handle the matter until you're certain he's a changeling, especially since killing him doesn't really *do* anything if he is one.
I was 100% certain he was a ling due to aforementioned armblade/monkey. Generally with lings you only have a limited time to gib/cremate before they use their ling powers to escape. Especially since I had no other officers near me and there was a wizard who was intent on killing all of security.

If you banned or noted me this would've been an appeal and an admin complaint instead of feedback.

To be honest, it feels like you're not accustomed to how things are currently. I can completely understand that, I left for a year and came back too. Almost everything changed. Honestly, wouldn't it be better to not be an admin temporarily till you're more accustomed to the current zeitgeist? You're not a bad admin but you're gonna leave a bad taste in people's mouth if you act on things that might've been action/verbal reprimand worthy in the past.

If I was alone in this feeling I wouldn't be so to the point about this but multiple people brought this up. Not only here but also on other places like the discord.

This feedback is old now. Please disregard.

From what I've seen Vekter is a gud boy. Quick to answer questions and thorough.

With regards to the above concern, I know the bwoink noise can be scary, and perhaps you thought you were being singled out. At the time (I was on too) I think they were going for a more conversational tone, not an accusatory one.

Also I'm pretty sure their first message to you started "you're not in trouble"

AdAstraPerAspera wrote:Perhaps you should work on the wording then, it seemed to heavily imply I was in the wrong.

>poor decision making, I suppose.
Cremating someone who had an armblade, was monkey and hit me with the armblade is poor decision making while we're dealing with multiple lings and a dice of fate wizard blowing shit up. ok.jpg

>He wouldn't tell you he was that monkey if he was a ling.
This to me seemed like he misspoke in the moment while justifying another thing he did.

>I figure there's better ways to handle the matter until you're certain he's a changeling, especially since killing him doesn't really *do* anything if he is one.
I was 100% certain he was a ling due to aforementioned armblade/monkey. Generally with lings you only have a limited time to gib/cremate before they use their ling powers to escape. Especially since I had no other officers near me and there was a wizard who was intent on killing all of security.

If you banned or noted me this would've been an appeal and an admin complaint instead of feedback.

To be honest, it feels like you're not accustomed to how things are currently. I can completely understand that, I left for a year and came back too. Almost everything changed. Honestly, wouldn't it be better to not be an admin temporarily till you're more accustomed to the current zeitgeist? You're not a bad admin but you're gonna leave a bad taste in people's mouth if you act on things that might've been action/verbal reprimand worthy in the past.

If I was alone in this feeling I wouldn't be so to the point about this but multiple people brought this up. Not only here but also on other places like the discord.

Back then you could still kill antags or people who acted like antags for just being an antag, and monkeys were generally valid af. This was just a weird conversation he had with you.

He really shouldn't have been back on the text until he gets both an understanding of current features and a sense of how admins should approach situations, especially given that this seems to be a reoccurring theme.

However, since it didn't happen this way, I hope he can shake off the dust soon because he's a nice guy and was a good admin.

I hope so too, vekter seems like a nice and capable guy but something just feels off with the way somethings are handled currently.

ExcessiveCobblestone wrote: he's a nice guy and was a good admin.

You shouldn't lie to the playerbase, they're supposed to trust the admins.

AdAstraPerAspera wrote:I hope so too, vekter seems like a nice and capable guy but something just feels off with the way somethings are handled currently.

I got a big problem with the way people handle being bwoinked. I hate asking someone something and they come back overly defensive about the situation and it ends up turning into a pissing match.

For what it's worth, I'm working on it.

Vekter wrote: I got a big problem with the way people handle being bwoinked. I hate asking someone something and they come back overly defensive about the situation and it ends up turning into a pissing match.

For what it's worth, I'm working on it.

Eh being defensive is a natural response. You gotta remember you're effectively judge, jury and executioner. People worry about getting the short end of the stick.

For what it's worth, I have no more bad feedback regarding Vekter. Everything seems fine now.

Would you expect them to be defensive about a bwoink like this?

went inactive with me in their sig

came back and immediately removed it

heavily conflicted on goodmin or no

John_Oxford wrote:went inactive with me in their sig

came back and immediately removed it

heavily conflicted on goodmin or no

I don't remember what quote I had from you

oranges wrote:Would you expect them to be defensive about a bwoink like this?

It's been three years. I even apologized to them.

i mean you weren't wrong

DemonFiren wrote:i mean you weren't wrong

I shouldn't have said it. That's all that matters.

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Get well soon

Vekter has returned, and this thread is reopened.

Warn the media.

who is this

Who woke up this boomer. Met him on Manuel and he was a machine being awesome and answering tickets. Goodmin can have a little salami.

Handled a backlog of like 10 tickets in under 3 minutes at the end of a ling - traitor - blob round with no admins on (that weren't antagonists), on manuel, professionally and patiently, as I contemplated my navel.

Promote.

In the past term we had troubles with their adminning and (at least from a non admin perspective now) I think those issues have passed, they're doing great work for manuel

Vekter is a big proponent of language policing and believes slurs, even if used IC and not directed at anyone, causes actual harm.

Has stated he would rather be deadminned than stop using using his admin power to force the multicultural player base to respect whats amounts to American cultural taboos.

Bad admin.

Kryson wrote:Vekter is a big proponent of language policing and believes slurs, even if used IC and not directed at anyone, causes actual harm.

Has stated he would rather be deadminned than stop using using his admin power to force the multicultural player base to respect whats amounts to American cultural taboos.

Bad admin.

Please take a look at rule 1.

Good on Vekter part to enforce it: and I say this as a costarican.

MortoSasye wrote:

Kryson wrote:Vekter is a big proponent of language policing and believes slurs, even if used IC and not directed at anyone, causes actual harm.

Has stated he would rather be deadminned than stop using using his admin power to force the multicultural player base to respect whats amounts to American cultural taboos.

Bad admin.

Please take a look at rule 1.

Good on Vekter part to enforce it: and I say this as a costarican.

That is a fringe and untenable interpretation of rule 1 and seriously calls into question your judgement as an admin.

Do you malign Leonardo DiCaprio for being racist in character in "Django Unchained"?

IC slurs are generally neither OOC harassment or a way to seriously negatively impact someone else round.

A Japanese player might find the depiction of an atomic bomb grossly offensive, would it be fair to ban someone for bringing such a device onto the station?

What if i called someone a polack, a word which is considered a slur in America but is used as a value neutral term for a Polish person in the rest of the world?

That is a can of worms best left unopened.

Kryson wrote:

MortoSasye wrote:

Kryson wrote:Vekter is a big proponent of language policing and believes slurs, even if used IC and not directed at anyone, causes actual harm.

Has stated he would rather be deadminned than stop using using his admin power to force the multicultural player base to respect whats amounts to American cultural taboos.

Bad admin.

Please take a look at rule 1.

Good on Vekter part to enforce it: and I say this as a costarican.

That is a fringe and untenable interpretation of rule 1 and seriously calls into question your judgement as an admin.

Do you malign Leonardo DiCaprio for being racist in character in "Django Unchained"?

IC slurs are generally neither OOC harassment or a way to seriously negatively impact someone else round.

A Japanese player might find the depiction of an atomic bomb grossly offensive, would it be fair to ban someone for bringing such a device onto the station?

What if i called someone a polack, a word which is considered a slur in America but is used as a value neutral term for a Polish person in the rest of the world?

That is a can of worms best left unopened.

Portraying racism in a movie is not the same as the casual """ironic""" racism that gets thrown around sometimes.

Good on Vekter for not letting it fly, speaking as a nonamerican.

based admin, keep fightin the good fight

Seems to be willing to ignore the rules as written and headmin precedent in order to enforce his own personal agenda, and will gladly admit to doing so.

Can't wait to see him pass his trial.

First boink when dealing with Vekter was when he told me to "stop referring to admins as gods IC"

The two or so times I've ahelped I've had my ahelp very QUICKLY turned around by a very accusatory Vekter, going so far as to straight up ban me after listening to the lies of the people being boinked, never checking logs to see if what I said was true, etc etc. After accepting the ban appeal, STILL told me to watch myself and whatnot.

I believe Vekters heart is in the right place, but he probably belongs on a server like Yogstation where he can boink and accuse people of not roleplaying correctly according to him to his hearts content, or mute OCC because he's about to get whaled on for having a meltdown over someone using the n word.

Talking about contacting administration IC and not talking about using the Centcomm Request contact method as a form of entirely in-character contact with command is a shitty thing to do in general. While it is better to use abstractions like that, don't do it in the first place. It is such a horrible and unnecessary habit.

It would be better to just tell you to knock off talking about contacting us in any abstraction UNLESS you are a part of an admin event where us conversing with you is expected.

Or your the chaplain. Because you have a dedicated button for that.

I did actually apologize and acknowledge that I handled Kendrick's situation in a poor manner, for the record. I feel like they wouldn't be posting this had it not been for the recent drama.

he banned me twice because i was sperging out, he badmin. on serious notes one other noteworthy experience is that he got mad when somebody named the central primary hallway on donut BAD WORD cattle ranch and then muted ooc a good few times because everybody said shit relating to it
edit moment because im dented: i forgot to mention he said in ooc: "whoever named central primary hallway BAD WORD cattle ranch, do not do"

"I did something stupid and got banned for it? Fuck this nigger and put him 9n the nigger cattle ranch"

event hall round id: 133205

I will now list some of the possible ways to ignore deadchat suggestions when you are in the middle of a complete chaos round where wizards, deathsquaddies, and fellow crewmembers are killing each other while respawning was apparently enabled temporarily
1. Purposely ignore deadchat. It isn't hard. There may even be a way to not hear deadchat at all.
2. If someone in deadchat is just too annoying (somehow), warn him to stop and then mute him if he persists. A ban is unnecessary if mutes exist in this scenario.
3. If someone muted because of spam starts to spam ahelps, mute his ahelps or punish him.
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999. "alright if you make another suggestion then im gonna ban you"
What the fuck did you expect to happen in a complete chaos round? Of course people are going to fucking suggest things for you to do even if they're completely dumb. That doesn't mean they're evil or some shit.

That was like the tenth time they'd posted that and, truth be told, I did not intend to ban them if they kept it up. Maybe mute them from deadchat, but certainly not ban them. I'll concede that I shouldn't have said what I did, but things were getting heated.

Seems receptive to criticism.

+1

Continues to be careful, efficient, and responsible when responding to ahelps, and monitoring behavior in general.

Gets to tickets quicker than anyone I have ever seen, with impressive enthusiasm and self awareness.

Moving my post over here. Gets a free 0.1+ in the rating due to moving complications.

I see them a bit on low pop manual during true no lifer hours; peek SumFag play times. For the most part disagree with their hot takes on nigger & faggot but in the time I've been around them I've seen them not really go after it. Bretty gud at dealing with spam faggotry though (If I remember right from a round a few days ago with some aspie spamming station to station coms.). Overall seems to be chill & does a good bit of keeping the peace. Also do more funny events on manual faggot; needs more mid round chaos at peek low pop which you are good at doing like Rad is. You seem to make some funny ones when you do which is appreciated.

Admeme rating 6.5 / 10

Edits
beno1: Following https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26336 having to downgrade the 7.3 / 10 to a 5.3 / 10
Much disappointment.
beno2: Following https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 23&t=26349 upgrading the 5.3 / 10 to a 6.4 / 10
Smackin aspies down like its no tomorrow is a gud thing : - DDDDD
beno3: Following moving from trialadmeme thread gets a free 0.1+ to the rating.

Wow you don't look like someone loving RPG games at all

Quick to mute OOC, run bad events on bad map and note those who get salty. Not a goodmin.