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Misdoubtful

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:04 am
by MrStonedOne
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Re: Misdoubtful

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:11 pm
by Jack7D1
Absolutely the kindest and most cool headed admin I've ever seen. I'm really glad they're here.

Re: Misdoubtful

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:56 pm
by Sylphet
Very chill and helpful both in game and in admin chat, usually knows how to fix things when the game has a BYOND moment.

Re: Misdoubtful

PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:22 am
by Shirbu
Handled two tickets simultaneously, one of them having to do with an extremely log and truth muddled escalation situation, and did so professionally and quickly, while thoughtfully considering suggestions and information from a fellow admin. Already more suited to the work than most gameadmins are after a full 6 months of tenure.

Promote.

Re: Misdoubtful

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:15 am
by ambrosia
Ferretmin
Agree with promote

Re: Misdoubtful

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:41 pm
by Dreathtil
Very Helpful.
Helped clarify and teach some VV edit stuff I was just too dumb to realize or see.
Hugs-The-Admin

Re: Misdoubtful

PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:26 am
by Space Panda
I had a pretty disappointing experience with Misdoubtful on Manuel.

A security officer with whom I had no previous interaction during the round shoved me onto the cafeteria counter while I was eating. They didn't say a word before doing that, and after doing so only gave me a generic insult (called me dishonourable or something similar). When I tried shoving the officer back, they stunbatonned me (actually giving me an injury) and arrested me. They didn't bother to answer why they were arresting me or why they had initiated a fight with me.

The player didn't even try to roleplay their aggression, like pretending to be drunk, or being hateful towards some characteristic of my character. It felt like the kind of fuckery that I'd expect from a LRP greytider trying to escalate a conflict. Before this event I had very little interaction with other characters, as I was performing organ extractions at the morgue since the round start, and had only went out of there to get something to eat.

I opened an ahelp about it and Misdoubtful responded, claiming they had witnessed what happened and would look into it. Meanwhile, we had arrived at the brig, and I kept asking why I was being arrested. The officer said I had started a bar fight, and in return I said it was them who attacked me in the first place. After a few moments of silence (in which I believe Misdoubtful must have asked them to let me go), they kicked me out of the brig and said I was not welcome there.

After that, Misdoubtful said they talked to the aggressor, and suggested that I could use the situation as a source of conflict in my round. I responded saying that behaviour like that isn't acceptable for security officers, specially in MRP. Misdoubtful once again tried to get me deal with them IC as it could be a fun conflict in their opinion. But the aggressor wasn't even trying to roleplay or at least give a hint of meaning to their actions.

I don't mind dying or getting fucked with in-game, and in most of the rounds I play usually I die in a stupid manner. I get into conflicts with other people (in which a lot of the time my character loses), but there is always an in-game reason for it, even if it's a silly one. As long as a good story can come out of it, it's fun for me. But I can't have that with someone who gives the impression that they're not interested in roleplaying and who's just power tripping while playing a role that should have at least some degree of responsibility.

I expressed my unhapiness with the situation and asked if the player had at least gotten a warning, and in turn Misdoubtful gave me a dodgy answer: "the issue has been dealt with, yes" (or something very close to this. Sorry, I don't have the log). I then responded saying that I could tell the player hadn't received a warning, and wanted them to confirm my suspicion. Then they said they couldn't answer that, to which in return I said they could (because AFAIK there isn't really rule that forbids them from doing so). Finally, they said that they did not like giving details of other people's tickets (even though it was MY ahelp ticket?) and wouldn't answer that, then closed the adminhelp.

I understand that a lot of the time there is reason not to punish a player for a single case of innapropriate behaviour, specially when it isn't something that completely ruins the round for someone else. It could've been a new player, or someone with absolutely no history of bad behaviour, et cetera. Misdoubtful could've suggested that was the case, but the way they dealt with the ahelp made it seem like they were acting too lenient or even being protective of the perpetrator.

I do not feel like this situation warrants a formal complaint, as I do not believe there was any real violation of admin conduct, nor was the offense by the player something that ruined the round for me. But the way Misdoubtful handled my ahelp was really bad IMO, and it left me quite a bit bothered. I'd appreciate a little more transparency and honesty from them in the future.

Re: Misdoubtful

PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:04 am
by Armhulen
Space Panda wrote:I had a pretty disappointing experience with Misdoubtful on Manuel.

A security officer with whom I had no previous interaction during the round shoved me onto the cafeteria counter while I was eating. They didn't say a word before doing that, and after doing so only gave me a generic insult (called me dishonourable or something similar). When I tried shoving the officer back, they stunbatonned me (actually giving me an injury) and arrested me. They didn't bother to answer why they were arresting me or why they had initiated a fight with me.

The player didn't even try to roleplay their aggression, like pretending to be drunk, or being hateful towards some characteristic of my character. It felt like the kind of fuckery that I'd expect from a LRP greytider trying to escalate a conflict. Before this event I had very little interaction with other characters, as I was performing organ extractions at the morgue since the round start, and had only went out of there to get something to eat.

I opened an ahelp about it and Misdoubtful responded, claiming they had witnessed what happened and would look into it. Meanwhile, we had arrived at the brig, and I kept asking why I was being arrested. The officer said I had started a bar fight, and in return I said it was them who attacked me in the first place. After a few moments of silence (in which I believe Misdoubtful must have asked them to let me go), they kicked me out of the brig and said I was not welcome there.

After that, Misdoubtful said they talked to the aggressor, and suggested that I could use the situation as a source of conflict in my round. I responded saying that behaviour like that isn't acceptable for security officers, specially in MRP. Misdoubtful once again tried to get me deal with them IC as it could be a fun conflict in their opinion. But the aggressor wasn't even trying to roleplay or at least give a hint of meaning to their actions.

I don't mind dying or getting fucked with in-game, and in most of the rounds I play usually I die in a stupid manner. I get into conflicts with other people (in which a lot of the time my character loses), but there is always an in-game reason for it, even if it's a silly one. As long as a good story can come out of it, it's fun for me. But I can't have that with someone who gives the impression that they're not interested in roleplaying and who's just power tripping while playing a role that should have at least some degree of responsibility.

I expressed my unhapiness with the situation and asked if the player had at least gotten a warning, and in turn Misdoubtful gave me a dodgy answer: "the issue has been dealt with, yes" (or something very close to this. Sorry, I don't have the log). I then responded saying that I could tell the player hadn't received a warning, and wanted them to confirm my suspicion. Then they said they couldn't answer that, to which in return I said they could (because AFAIK there isn't really rule that forbids them from doing so). Finally, they said that they did not like giving details of other people's tickets (even though it was MY ahelp ticket?) and wouldn't answer that, then closed the adminhelp.

I understand that a lot of the time there is reason not to punish a player for a single case of innapropriate behaviour, specially when it isn't something that completely ruins the round for someone else. It could've been a new player, or someone with absolutely no history of bad behaviour, et cetera. Misdoubtful could've suggested that was the case, but the way they dealt with the ahelp made it seem like they were acting too lenient or even being protective of the perpetrator.

I do not feel like this situation warrants a formal complaint, as I do not believe there was any real violation of admin conduct, nor was the offense by the player something that ruined the round for me. But the way Misdoubtful handled my ahelp was really bad IMO, and it left me quite a bit bothered. I'd appreciate a little more transparency and honesty from them in the future.

This is the rule that allows admins to not reveal info about the ahelp:
6. In-game administration rulings are final.
Incidences of admin abuse, negligence or disputed rulings can be taken to the forums. If an admin says something was 'looked into, handled, resolved' etc, regarding an issue, it is unlikely an admin will provide any further information. Admins are under no obligation to reveal IC information. Deliberately lying or misrepresenting facts in adminhelps will be dealt with harshly.

Re: Misdoubtful

PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:20 am
by Space Panda
Forgot about that one. I'm sorry.

Guess I should be upset about the rule instead.

Disregard my feedback.

Re: Misdoubtful

PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:43 am
by wesoda25
Either way they acted fine, you shouldn’t run to admins every time something happens that you don’t like. Their character was obviously in the wrong, doubtful obviously told them off, and best of all encouraged you to do something ICly about it. Just because their brand of roleplay (none) doesn’t mix with yours doesn’t mean it’s fruitless to engage.

Re: Misdoubtful

PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:20 am
by Misdoubtful
Space Panda wrote:words


Cheers on this don't disregard it there is certainly validity to it. This is the sort of feedback I'm looking for most, blanket goods and bads sadly don't leave much for improvement and insight.

Outside the IC interactions where you looked to the use of the cobweb infested court that could have potentially made what felt like a lackluster experience into something more worthwhile (and as you said I do wish it did play out this way), I do aim to keep the specifics of things like 'were they warned, noted, banned, etc' out of things. Its less about the ruling saying its okay and more about the principle of confidentiality, personally.

Things certainly could have been made a lot more clear on my approach to that in the 'heat of the moment' though. We all have our off days.

Re: Misdoubtful

PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:42 am
by Shadowflame909
They are without a doubt a great admin and makes sure the playerbase has the best round they deserve, with no interference from rule-breakers.