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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby oranges » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:47 am #106475

peoplearestrange wrote:This isn't moderator feedback anymore. Please keep it in check.

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby peoplearestrange » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:55 am #106476

Well... balls.
I never used to be complaints general before.

Whine on you crazy diamonds.
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby oranges » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:10 am #106481

To be honest I don't know why it was renamed

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Malkevin » Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:49 pm #106499

Stickymayhem wrote:We're quite clear on the fact that without specific evidence, reference to rulings, past actions of similar behaviour, or mistakes people have made your posts aren't going to be acceptable on FNR.

Character witness isn't really good enough, or everyone would just go "This guy is/isn't a faggot" and the peanut gallery would be reborn.

How come Wootan isn't allowed to post as a character witness, meanwhile Smegma is allowed to post, and ban, based on this:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4232#p106367
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How is that not conjecture and complete bullshit principles? ("Oh... you didn't do anything worth getting banned for in that round, but I'm going to ban you anyway because I don't like you" - exact same shit why Ikkarus isn't allowed to render judgement on Tornadium (and that note should've been expunged shouldn't it?)
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Tornadium » Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:52 pm #106501

Malkevin wrote:
Stickymayhem wrote:We're quite clear on the fact that without specific evidence, reference to rulings, past actions of similar behaviour, or mistakes people have made your posts aren't going to be acceptable on FNR.

Character witness isn't really good enough, or everyone would just go "This guy is/isn't a faggot" and the peanut gallery would be reborn.

How come Wootan isn't allowed to post as a character witness, meanwhile Smegma is allowed to post, and ban, based on this:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4232#p106367
Saegrimr wrote:Understand this isn't hinged on any single incident that occurred in the round, this is the total of your terrible security practices as agreed upon by multiple admins.

How is that not conjecture and complete bullshit principles? ("Oh... you didn't do anything worth getting banned for in that round, but I'm going to ban you anyway because I don't like you" - exact same shit why Ikkarus isn't allowed to render judgement on Tornadium (and that note should've been expunged shouldn't it?)


I honestly haven't a fucking clue. Nearly all of the events he tried to portray in that round were false. Intentionally leaving out important context for example with regards to the clown.

He didn't even fully go through the whole story before dropping the bans, we barely started and he just said "Oh I'm already going to ban you". This was after he tried to use wording of one sentence to infer I was lying to him, despite me making it clear what I meant earlier.

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Falamazeer » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:53 pm #106547

Honestly I disagree with this on two levels, The ban is being toted as a ban due to his bad character, so a character witness should be fine, but even if it's not I'm on point with a discussion on play2win, and it's not my fault I was drawn into a short back and forth to explain further, by all accounts that what he does, argue you to death.

this doubley sucks because I can't exactly remember what was said, can I get Kor in here? HG is trolling, and Sticky is out and out wrong.
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Tornadium » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:02 pm #106555

Falamazeer wrote:Honestly I disagree with this on two levels, The ban is being toted as a ban due to his bad character, so a character witness should be fine, but even if it's not I'm on point with a discussion on play2win, and it's not my fault I was drawn into a short back and forth to explain further, by all accounts that what he does, argue you to death.

this doubley sucks because I can't exactly remember what was said, can I get Kor in here? HG is trolling, and Sticky is out and out wrong.


I personally don't see why arguing my side of the story constitutes "argue to the death".

As long as I believe that the circumstances surrounding an issue are being misrepresented or something is unfairly imposed then I don't see the issue with pointing that out.

Hell I know when I'm wrong. The first note I have is admitting my fuckup and asking for the ban.

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Falamazeer » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:22 pm #106573

Nobody wants to get into a quote war with you bro.
I acknowledged that you're not that bad as a detective, but I'm beginning to see that you're a bit over-argumentative when it comes to these things, I said you were from the beginning, but clearly the sickness runs further than I thought.

I'm not counting them all for all I know, but so far this has spilled into both my appeals on my moderated posts, Saegrimr's feedback, A policy discussion you put up, and the original appeal itself, And a little thread where you thought you'd been moderated too from being unable to edit your posts. Six areas are now utterly about you, and I haven't even checked singulo, but I'm assuming you're in there too, or will be. And Based on what's been said, you're only not on IRC doing it too because you were banned to avoid it.

Perhaps you view it as defending yourself, but most people manage to defend themselves just fine without all of.. this.
So can you please fuck off, this is about my right to comment, not another place for you to appeal.
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Tornadium » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:38 pm #106581

Falamazeer wrote:Nobody wants to get into a quote war with you bro.
I acknowledged that you're not that bad as a detective, but I'm beginning to see that you're a bit over-argumentative when it comes to these things, I said you were from the beginning, but clearly the sickness runs further than I thought.

I'm not counting them all for all I know, but so far this has spilled into both my appeals on my moderated posts, Saegrimr's feedback, A policy discussion you put up, and the original appeal itself, And a little thread where you thought you'd been moderated too from being unable to edit your posts. Six areas are now utterly about you, and I haven't even checked singulo, but I'm assuming you're in there too, or will be. And Based on what's been said, you're only not on IRC doing it too because you were banned to avoid it.

Perhaps you view it as defending yourself, but most people manage to defend themselves just fine without all of.. this.
So can you please fuck off, this is about my right to comment, not another place for you to appeal.


I'll respect that, See PM for my reply.

Sorry bro.

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Incomptinence » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:09 am #114534

MSO deleted 32 out of 43 posts in the following Gameplay Is Laggy To Hell for being off topic included ones prior to even his first post on the thread about the issue being network lag this being a thread where the original poster Steelpoint was unaware of the exact nature of the problem.

That's about 74% of posts, by bringing the thread on topic he basically destroyed it. Not that those were necessarily great or knowledgeable posts but this is the sort of broad brush that is worrying from a forums host.

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby MrStonedOne » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:31 am #114537

Ya, because it's fucking confusing when people are talking about two separate things, but calling it the same name, then accusing people of being wrong.
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby oranges » Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:14 am #114540

Plus I wish mods would do this more often, sprawling offtopic discussion ruins threads especially in the feedback threads

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Wyzack » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:34 pm #114598

Thread about lag has all its posts deleted because it is assumed to be specifically about network lag. OP comes in and says this is blatantly not true, it is about all kinds of lag. Thread is then locked without a word. Why?
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby MrStonedOne » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:57 pm #114606

It kept going off topic.
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Malkevin » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:21 pm #114616

But how can it be going off topic when the topic was about lag in general and people were talking about lag in general?
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Postby MrStonedOne » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:40 pm #114620

I locked it because all people started talking about was the deletion of the posts and what kinds of lags people know about
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby CPTANT » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:25 pm #114637

MrStonedOne wrote:I locked it because all people started talking about was the deletion of the posts and what kinds of lags people know about


Yes because it was a serious dick move to destroy all content and suggestions people posted all for a misunderstanding about the topic


Apparently instead of making the difference clear between network lag and cpu lag in a post you decided to destroy the thread and 3 quarters of its posts.


In what world does that make any fucking sense?
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby imsxz » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:10 pm #528416

imsxz wrote:Deleted posts on my admin feedback thread of people saying "i love imsxz". That is certainly feedback. Not cool!

I believe admin feedback is moderated in much too strict of a fashion. If someone shitposts, I believe it's fair to assume that they probably have interacted with the admin enough to feel like leaving feedback, as well as that they are unlikely displeased with the admins conduct, as most people would give genuine negative feedback rather than a dumb meaningless comment. Admin feedback isn't the sort of thing that gets floods of new posts outside of rare occasions where people get into a heated discussion or something, I don't think shitposts would drown out genuine positive feedback, especially as most shitposts are short like "they smell". Of course it is subjective, but I believe a majority of the admins asked would prefer a shitpost every now and then rather than zero feedback ever.
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Arianya » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:01 pm #528427

the issue that arises is that allowing a "shitpost every now and then" blurs the line on what is acceptable in feedback in general - I'm sure we can both agree that feedback does serve a valuable role in allowing players to express praise or concerns and admins to receive feedback, and this role is diminished if the forum becomes seen as shitpost central or "you only post here to make an epic funny post about an admin xD"

I realise certain admins can feel a certain protectiveness of their feedback thread but I think it should be obvious why the rules should be enforced equally across the board.
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby peoplearestrange » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:41 pm #528516

If we allow shitposts, which by definition are shit, then whats the actual point in feedback?
I certainly don't "learn" anything by people telling me Im a furry or gay over and over, so why allow it?

What actually needs to change is people giving actual feedback and admins taking the time to listen and respond (even if its in disagreement) so it becomes a trusted feedback forum rather than just praise and negative things being erased or ignored.

EDIT: Also if its an admin having issue with another admin, they should probably make an attempt to directly contact them or talk to them on Admin-Bus as we are supposedly a team and the quickest way to get things resolved best for all parties can be done this way fairly effectively. No need to air dirty laundry (unless its being utterly ignored again and again ofc)
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Kangtut » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:46 pm #528534

How is saying "I love (adminname)" a shitpost though? That's just positive feedback. A player felt strongly enough about a particular admin to express it in their feedback thread.

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Arianya » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:56 pm #528574

To be clear, I don't have issues with "I love [adminname]" (it's a bit empty and pointless, but it is feedback) - I have more issue with emptyquoting, especially when it starts being chain emptyquotes, because it's not really feedback - just "THIS"ing stuff is empty and we really don't need echo chambers of people emptyquoting at each other outside of the Hut.

But that's my opinion, in any case, not citing it as objective fact.
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Postby bobbahbrown » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:30 pm #528584

would you prefer that the users in question post the exact same message without the quote block
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Kangtut » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:44 pm #528590

bobbahbrown wrote:would you prefer that the users in question post the exact same message without the quote block


Exactly. This seems more like a pet peeve rather than an objective rule.

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Arianya » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:52 pm #528592

Given the nature of feedback isn't a popularity poll or the like, I'd rather people contribute with their own thoughts and words rather then emptily parroting 3 words, but in terms of an easy to draw line in the sand, yes, emptyquoting is best avoided IMO.

As for objective rule, this is technically already covered by global rules, though obviously a matter of interpretation rather then specific delineation:

Global Forum Rules wrote:1. No spam. (Contentless posts, repeated posts, off topic posts)
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Kangtut » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:12 pm #528595

I see your point. Contentless and repeated posts would apply to something like empty quoting. I suppose the question now would be would that need to be upheld in an admin's feedback if they dont mind it.

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Postby peoplearestrange » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:29 pm #528596

Because like the rest of FNR its held to a higher standard so it at least gives the appearance of professionalism and trust.

I see the forum as a sliding scale of trust/professionalism > memes/shitposting. FNR at the top, the hut at the bottom, everything else fitting along that scale.
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Kangtut » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:37 pm #528597

If that were the case then there should be a lot more deleted posts because plenty of them are just as half assed as empty quoting. I can understand going harder on policy discussion and appeals but feedback always seemed to be the hut of fnr. Still held to a standard but not as heavily moderated from my experience with it anyway.

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby peoplearestrange » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:52 pm #528601

You're using the "They didn't get caught when they did it" excuse. Just because it has been done before and might have been missed (the amount of forum mods is pretty low rn) doesn't mean its an approval of said reply.

Put it like this, what critique does empty quoting provide, what's the feedback? Sure you're saying basically you have their back and thats actually pretty sweet on a friendly level. But the point of these threads isn't for that, its a comment on their actions and behavior as an admin.
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This is my moment, what are you doing?!

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IM TRYING

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Kangtut » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:18 pm #528609

How can they not be caught when their posts remain to this day? They could have been cleaned up at any point since they were made. Feedback is not always straight critque either as simply showing your approval for someone is positive feedback. Whether you agree with it or not is your own opinion and what happens to it should be left up to the one receiving the feedback. As for the purpose of the feedback threads, that is again, entirely your opinion. Feedback has no rules or guidlines of its own, unlike every single other fnr subforum. As Ari has shown, she had to pull from the site's general rules to justify their decision.

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby oranges » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:50 pm #528618

There's nobody above them to rule on this so their ruling is basically going to sit unchallenged.

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby peoplearestrange » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:54 pm #528636

Kangtut wrote:How can they not be caught when their posts remain to this day? They could have been cleaned up at any point since they were made. Feedback is not always straight critque either as simply showing your approval for someone is positive feedback. Whether you agree with it or not is your own opinion and what happens to it should be left up to the one receiving the feedback. As for the purpose of the feedback threads, that is again, entirely your opinion. Feedback has no rules or guidlines of its own, unlike every single other fnr subforum. As Ari has shown, she had to pull from the site's general rules to justify their decision.


Well they're still there because going back and retroactively editing everyone's feedback (84 feedback threads) is more time than a lot of people who bother to moderate the forums have. I can only speak personally but its a chore to remove stuff, most of the time you just hope its obvious or someone complains about it to highlight it.

But yeah you're right, there definitely needs to be a set of rules for feedback. This is what it sounds like you're asking for, so buckle up.
I'll speak to the heads, write up some loose guidelines and put it round the others to comment on. Then we'll see what the heads take on them are and will try to implement then come the new year.

Would that be acceptable?

oranges wrote:There's nobody above them to rule on this so their ruling is basically going to sit unchallenged.
I mean the heads are? They're voted in. I'm not sure what you mean if im honest.
Whatever
Spoiler:
oranges wrote:singulo.io is the center point of rational and calm debate, where much of tg's issues are worked out in a fun and family friendly environment

miggles wrote:it must have been quite the accomplishment, killing a dead butterfly

WeeYakk wrote:If you take a step back from everything watching the community argue janitor related changes is one of the most surreal and hilarious things about this game. Four pages of discussing the merits of there being too much or too little dirt in a video game.

Operative wrote:Vote PAS for headmin! Get cucked and feel good getting cucked.

TheNightingale wrote:I want to get off Mr. Scones's Wild Ride...

NikNakFlak wrote:Excuse you, I was doing intentional bug testing for the well being of the server. I do not make mistakes.

Fragnostic wrote:stop cucking the first shitshow ever that revolved around me.
This is my moment, what are you doing?!

Anonmare wrote:Oranges gestures at the thread, it shudders and begins to move!

Saegrimr wrote:
callanrockslol wrote:all you have to do is ban shitters until the playbase improves/ceases to exist, whichever comes first.

IM TRYING

Screemonster wrote:hellmoo is the mud for grown adults who main reaper in overwatch

Kor wrote:
confused rock wrote:...its like if we made fire extinguishers spawn in emergency boxes and have them heal you when you put out fires rather than them being in wall storages...


Are you having a stroke

bandit wrote:you are now manually GLORFing

MrStonedOne wrote:The best part about the election is when I announce my pick because I'm just as surprised as everybody else.

PM:[USER]->IrishWristWatch0: Yeah, im make it on but how im make the station to to sun and not go to sun

OOC: Francinum: Five Rounds at PAS's
"You are destinied to defeat Dr. Uguu and his 5 Robot Masters
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Kangtut » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:18 pm #528677

Kangtut wrote: and what happens to it should be left up to the one receiving the feedback.


But yeah you're right, there definitely needs to be a set of rules for feedback. This is what it sounds like you're asking for, so buckle up.
I'll speak to the heads, write up some loose guidelines and put it round the others to comment on. Then we'll see what the heads take on them are and will try to implement then come the new year.


I clearly said what I was asking for - leave it up to the admin receiving feedback to decide if it is shit posting that needs sweeping up. Creating new rules will lead to the same issues that we have now, meaning: you cannot possibly list everything people can and cannot post in feedback and will have to leave things up to a forum mod's discretion. This is what led to this 4 year old thread being revived in the first place. New rules will only give forum mods more needless things to memorize and more needless red tape for players to work around.

There are things that are clearly defined that a forum mod should delete such as NSFW content spam and posts that don't actually contribute to the thread. However, while the posts deleted that led to this discussion could possibly fall under this, it also can be argued that they do not. Sure they're half-assed empty quotes, but what difference would it be if they quoted and then said "this" or something equally pointless? It wouldn't be an empty quote then but it would still be the same. What harm is there in simple positive feedback followed by people parroting what the first person said? Even if you clean up an entire page of empty quotes all saying "I love X" then you still have a ton of "message deleted" posts between the next real post.

In summary: you don't need new rules, they won't do anything and leave ambiguous stuff like this up to the admin who is getting the feedback.

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby peoplearestrange » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:28 am #528745

Kangtut wrote: and what happens to it should be left up to the one receiving the feedback.

Except you're writing this about one case assuming the feedback is positive.
What if I remove everything I dislike from my feedback thread? Self censorship as it were, would you be happy with that? Because thats actually what you're asking for.

Of course rules don't need to list EVERY single possibility, don't be moronic. In the same way our server rules and forum rules don't list every single thing. But guidelines on what feedback is useful for and what is expected of both the players and the admin in question would probably help a lot.

The problem with empty quoting is saying "same" just isnt useful feedback, its low effort praise at absolute best and at worse it takes up tones of space. Sure deleted posts take up space but about 1/4 of the space a full empty quote post takes up, even before it pyramids. But this is such an irrelevant detail.

Because again, what you are asking for is a change for one specific example because you like said person and that about wraps it up.
Whatever
Spoiler:
oranges wrote:singulo.io is the center point of rational and calm debate, where much of tg's issues are worked out in a fun and family friendly environment

miggles wrote:it must have been quite the accomplishment, killing a dead butterfly

WeeYakk wrote:If you take a step back from everything watching the community argue janitor related changes is one of the most surreal and hilarious things about this game. Four pages of discussing the merits of there being too much or too little dirt in a video game.

Operative wrote:Vote PAS for headmin! Get cucked and feel good getting cucked.

TheNightingale wrote:I want to get off Mr. Scones's Wild Ride...

NikNakFlak wrote:Excuse you, I was doing intentional bug testing for the well being of the server. I do not make mistakes.

Fragnostic wrote:stop cucking the first shitshow ever that revolved around me.
This is my moment, what are you doing?!

Anonmare wrote:Oranges gestures at the thread, it shudders and begins to move!

Saegrimr wrote:
callanrockslol wrote:all you have to do is ban shitters until the playbase improves/ceases to exist, whichever comes first.

IM TRYING

Screemonster wrote:hellmoo is the mud for grown adults who main reaper in overwatch

Kor wrote:
confused rock wrote:...its like if we made fire extinguishers spawn in emergency boxes and have them heal you when you put out fires rather than them being in wall storages...


Are you having a stroke

bandit wrote:you are now manually GLORFing

MrStonedOne wrote:The best part about the election is when I announce my pick because I'm just as surprised as everybody else.

PM:[USER]->IrishWristWatch0: Yeah, im make it on but how im make the station to to sun and not go to sun

OOC: Francinum: Five Rounds at PAS's
"You are destinied to defeat Dr. Uguu and his 5 Robot Masters
(All-Access-Man, ShootyBlackCoat Man, ChloralHydrate Man, Singulo Man and TeleportArmor Man)"

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Kangtut » Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:14 pm #528755

Do you twist my words on purpose? Every god damn time I make a post your idiotically take what I say, ignore it and create your own warped idea of what I actually said. I even gave you a fucking tl;dr of my post and you still fucked it up, PAS.

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby delaron » Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:22 pm #528784

Kangtut wrote:Do you twist my words on purpose? Every god damn time I make a post your idiotically take what I say, ignore it and create your own warped idea of what I actually said. I even gave you a fucking tl;dr of my post and you still fucked it up, PAS.



Maybe you need to improve on your communication skills if they keep getting it wrong. Your viewpoint isn't the end all be all and is rather narrow in focus. Assuming the feedback threads sole purpose is to inform the subject of the feedback ignores other uses. Such as evaluating repeat issues for the head admin or general public making an informed decision when voting comes into play.

Some form of civility also will lead to a stronger conveyance of what points you are trying to make. Attacking wrapped up in your points just makes people want to ignore you.
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby teepeepee » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:09 pm #528809

kang just said admins should decide on their own if useless feedback and emptyquoting should be removed from their threads and you interpret it as "YOU WANT ADMINS TO DELETE THEIR OWN FEEDBACK TO HIDE THE BAD ONE"
I don't think kang is the one with communication issues really

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby peoplearestrange » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:37 pm #528811

teepeepee wrote:kang just said admins should decide on their own if useless feedback and emptyquoting should be removed from their threads and you interpret it as "YOU WANT ADMINS TO DELETE THEIR OWN FEEDBACK TO HIDE THE BAD ONE"
I don't think kang is the one with communication issues really


Right ok this is much more clear. If you're making it SPECIFICALLY about empty quoting, then sure I don't see why the admin couldn't choose, but then that makes moderation a lot harder in general. Do we write a list of things admins are allowed to self moderate in their own threads? Because normally admins moderation their own feedback threads was frowned up. Obviously in the case you're talking about it be about leaving the post. But if it was in my thread it be ok to delete empty quoting (because I don't like it), right? But also what if I delete all the times people called me a furry, or everytime they gave feedback directly after a ban, or after an event they didn't like, or after they were involved with an ahelp that didn't go the way they wanted? Do I get to moderate them? When does someone else need to moderate them? Where is the line drawn?

The point Kang did actually draw to light is there isnt really any guidelines let alone rules for feedback. And this leaves a very large grey area. And ultimately this is what mostly cause disagreements and arguments on the forums right?

So whats the solution?
Whatever
Spoiler:
oranges wrote:singulo.io is the center point of rational and calm debate, where much of tg's issues are worked out in a fun and family friendly environment

miggles wrote:it must have been quite the accomplishment, killing a dead butterfly

WeeYakk wrote:If you take a step back from everything watching the community argue janitor related changes is one of the most surreal and hilarious things about this game. Four pages of discussing the merits of there being too much or too little dirt in a video game.

Operative wrote:Vote PAS for headmin! Get cucked and feel good getting cucked.

TheNightingale wrote:I want to get off Mr. Scones's Wild Ride...

NikNakFlak wrote:Excuse you, I was doing intentional bug testing for the well being of the server. I do not make mistakes.

Fragnostic wrote:stop cucking the first shitshow ever that revolved around me.
This is my moment, what are you doing?!

Anonmare wrote:Oranges gestures at the thread, it shudders and begins to move!

Saegrimr wrote:
callanrockslol wrote:all you have to do is ban shitters until the playbase improves/ceases to exist, whichever comes first.

IM TRYING

Screemonster wrote:hellmoo is the mud for grown adults who main reaper in overwatch

Kor wrote:
confused rock wrote:...its like if we made fire extinguishers spawn in emergency boxes and have them heal you when you put out fires rather than them being in wall storages...


Are you having a stroke

bandit wrote:you are now manually GLORFing

MrStonedOne wrote:The best part about the election is when I announce my pick because I'm just as surprised as everybody else.

PM:[USER]->IrishWristWatch0: Yeah, im make it on but how im make the station to to sun and not go to sun

OOC: Francinum: Five Rounds at PAS's
"You are destinied to defeat Dr. Uguu and his 5 Robot Masters
(All-Access-Man, ShootyBlackCoat Man, ChloralHydrate Man, Singulo Man and TeleportArmor Man)"

I'm a box

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby teepeepee » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:00 am #528854

wait for them to ask for something to be deleted instead of being an overzealous jannie
how is that so hard?

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby peoplearestrange » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:49 pm #528908

Because it validates shitposts until they get noticed by their thread owner?

Same way we don't necessarily wait for an ahelp to ban some self antag who TTV's the station?
Whatever
Spoiler:
oranges wrote:singulo.io is the center point of rational and calm debate, where much of tg's issues are worked out in a fun and family friendly environment

miggles wrote:it must have been quite the accomplishment, killing a dead butterfly

WeeYakk wrote:If you take a step back from everything watching the community argue janitor related changes is one of the most surreal and hilarious things about this game. Four pages of discussing the merits of there being too much or too little dirt in a video game.

Operative wrote:Vote PAS for headmin! Get cucked and feel good getting cucked.

TheNightingale wrote:I want to get off Mr. Scones's Wild Ride...

NikNakFlak wrote:Excuse you, I was doing intentional bug testing for the well being of the server. I do not make mistakes.

Fragnostic wrote:stop cucking the first shitshow ever that revolved around me.
This is my moment, what are you doing?!

Anonmare wrote:Oranges gestures at the thread, it shudders and begins to move!

Saegrimr wrote:
callanrockslol wrote:all you have to do is ban shitters until the playbase improves/ceases to exist, whichever comes first.

IM TRYING

Screemonster wrote:hellmoo is the mud for grown adults who main reaper in overwatch

Kor wrote:
confused rock wrote:...its like if we made fire extinguishers spawn in emergency boxes and have them heal you when you put out fires rather than them being in wall storages...


Are you having a stroke

bandit wrote:you are now manually GLORFing

MrStonedOne wrote:The best part about the election is when I announce my pick because I'm just as surprised as everybody else.

PM:[USER]->IrishWristWatch0: Yeah, im make it on but how im make the station to to sun and not go to sun

OOC: Francinum: Five Rounds at PAS's
"You are destinied to defeat Dr. Uguu and his 5 Robot Masters
(All-Access-Man, ShootyBlackCoat Man, ChloralHydrate Man, Singulo Man and TeleportArmor Man)"

I'm a box

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby deedubya » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:21 am #529018

Who cares if admins get to delete their own bad feedback? It means they've seen it, and they can choose to act on it or not. It's not like anything posted in the feedback forum ever gets taken seriously by anyone above them in the food chain. If you have a serious gripe and want them to shape up, post a complaint. Feedback forum is "officially" a joke. Only post negative feedback there if you think the admin in question is capable of receiving criticism and adjusting their behavior.
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oranges wrote:honestly holy shit deedubs you're a dent head

wesoda25 wrote:deedub is one of the people that makes me wish i could block users on forums

IkeTG wrote:every post from deedubya is worrying behavior

Super Aggro Crag wrote:you're a poo head!!!!!

TheMythicGhost wrote:You're a moron, but that's really nothing new since you're Deedubya, and really at this point I'm just playing an instrument by speaking since your head is so goddamn empty these words are resonating as they pass through.

Lazengann wrote:What's interesting about deedubya is the guy has no reading skills or comprehension and his ADHD is so severe he can't read through a single thread but he shows up to argue anyway

annoyinggreencatgirl wrote:you really are almost superhumanly retarded dude, holy smokes.

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Vekter » Fri May 01, 2020 7:43 am #560176

Confining Deedubya to the shed and then burning it down is the best thing we ever did.
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Swept » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:08 pm #567556

I'd appreciate it if you both deleted the forum and the discord for tgstation. It would put me at great peace of mind. Thanks.

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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby PKPenguin321 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:57 pm #567592

Swept wrote:I'd appreciate it if you both deleted the forum and the discord for tgstation. It would put me at great peace of mind. Thanks.

Little known fact is that you can do this yourself with very little trouble.
On your computer navigate to C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\
Edit the file named "hosts" as an admin
Copy and paste these two new lines to the bottom of it:
Code: Select all
127.0.0.1   https://tgstation13.org/
127.0.0.1   https://discord.com/

Once you've done that you will have successfully deleted both discord and tgstation forever.
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General admin feedback, mostly concerning Manuel

Postby Ivuchnu » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:31 am #567631

hosts file hackermannery

URLs don't actually go in there. Domain names do. https://example.com/ is wrong while example.com is right. hosts file offers user to override how specific domain name is resolved into IP address, potentially bypassing DNS based content blocks or implementing said content block. Or making sort of alias for frequently used IP address without corresponding domain name...
EDIT: wait, no, it is thread about forum itself
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Re: Forum Moderator/Admin Feedback/Complaints General

Postby Swept » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:17 pm #567881

Why'd you delete my Ikoden peanut?

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