Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

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Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby oranges » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:21 am #328499

I just want to make this absolutely clear since people seem to be in some confusion and are asking headmins code related questions.

The repository is entirely run separately from the server, Headmins have no more power than others, however, in all cases a maintainer will listen to their opinion and grant it more weight than a normal player.

You'd be better to ask how they intend to work more closely with the maintainers than how they intend to actually change code.
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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby Arianya » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:13 pm #328589

In light of this, and in conjunction with the ruling from the last election with regards to "coding favors", can we just ban codebase/coding talk in candidate threads entirely? I can't think of any relevance and it just opens the gateway to behavior that is, to quote Kor, disingenuous and unfair to non-coding candidates.
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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby Steelpoint » Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:48 pm #328625

Discussing how head admins intend to handle their relationship with the code repo is a fair point of discussion and should be allowed.

The head admins do have some influence over the code due to their position as the head honcho of the server, and that they can influence the game via changing configs which can provoke code changes.
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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby iamgoofball » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:19 pm #329652

Wrong.

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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby PKPenguin321 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:10 am #329696

If the coders truly want to go against head admin desires they can do so, I'm aware of this due to personal experience
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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby Remie Richards » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:48 am #329804

There's no need to debate what oranges already explained perfectly well in the OP

" however, in all cases a maintainer will listen to their opinion and grant it more weight than a normal player."

More weight than a normal player is literally what they get, it's not a guarantee you'll get your way kind of thing.
Normal admins get this too to some degree, but mostly relating to logging/abuse.
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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby pubby » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:59 am #329807

oranges wrote:grant it more weight than a normal player.

It's probably the reverse.

People who the maintainers respect are likely to become headmins.

You're not gonna start merging every Goof PR just because he wears a headmin cap.

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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby Remie Richards » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:09 am #329811

Pubby please read.
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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby lzimann » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:14 am #329812

pubby wrote:
oranges wrote:grant it more weight than a normal player.

It's probably the reverse.

People who the maintainers respect are likely to become headmins.

You're not gonna start merging every Goof PR just because he wears a headmin cap.


Maintainers have literally zero say in who gets headmin.

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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby John_Oxford » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:55 pm #332098

If you control what code goes into the server.

And the person that determines if you can or can't go on the server to use that code says he wants you to add a certain string of code.

Do you add the code or do you get banned from playing on the server?
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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby ChangelingRain » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:59 pm #332102

The answer is, you get banned. Maintainers do not bow to anyone but their headcoder.
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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby Incomptinence » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:36 pm #386664

I could give a damn about your neutrality if it went both ways and you respected headmin decisions instead of still maintaining the potential to undermine them like in the secborg config debacle.
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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby oranges » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:32 pm #386792

Don Quixote over here
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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby onleavedontatme » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:36 pm #386796

The headmins unanimously voted for the secborg config to be deleted you moron

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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby Pascal125 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:45 pm #386800

Kor, that was very rude. You should apolagize to the nice man.
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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby Incomptinence » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:40 pm #387816

Oranges heavily sanitised to early pull goof put up but there was definitely a rush to do it sloppily poorly and badly like everything you two get flustered by.

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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby Qbopper » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:06 pm #387822

Incomptinence wrote:Oranges heavily sanitised to early pull goof put up but there was definitely a rush to do it sloppily poorly and badly like everything you two get flustered by.


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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby cedarbridge » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:26 pm #387826

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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby D&B » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:50 pm #387833

Tbqh with the shenanigans CL pulled to sabotage two gamemodes I'll be iffy to say the thread title is 100% correct
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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby PKPenguin321 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:50 pm #387985

D&B wrote:Tbqh with the shenanigans CL pulled to sabotage two gamemodes I'll be iffy to say the thread title is 100% correct

they were a maintainer
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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby D&B » Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:58 pm #387988

PKPenguin321 wrote:
D&B wrote:Tbqh with the shenanigans CL pulled to sabotage two gamemodes I'll be iffy to say the thread title is 100% correct

they were a maintainer


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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby onleavedontatme » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:15 pm #388004

And they got permabanned for what they did as headmin, so trying to influence the code as they did is ill advised.

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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby John Smith » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:26 am #438733

Arianya wrote:In light of this, and in conjunction with the ruling from the last election with regards to "coding favors", can we just ban codebase/coding talk in candidate threads entirely? I can't think of any relevance and it just opens the gateway to behavior that is, to quote Kor, disingenuous and unfair to non-coding candidates.

I don't see why you have to jump to that extreme when that doesn't seem necessary. If an admin wants to run on a platform of 'code favors,' even if it's not within an admin's authority to make code requests, it's possible that an admin, someone intimately familiar with the games inner workings and functions could study the code and make their own contributions, as well as work with the code base to make changes by relaying experiences during rounds or reporting bugs received from ahelps, etc.
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Re: Headadmins have no influence on the code repo

Postby oranges » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:34 am #438737

running on that platform makes no sense because being a headadmin doesn't grant you extra ability to get your changes merged, it's deceitful to promise code changes to the playerbase that you can't deliver upon without headcoder support.
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