Trialmin Review: Vekter

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Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Coconutwarrior97 » Tue May 26, 2020 4:34 am #562810

Vekter has now been in the .txt as a Trial Admin for roughly one month since their last review.

Please use this thread as public review; it's encouraged for players to comment on how well/badly the trial admin has done and whether or not they think the trial admin should be made a full admin, if they should be removed from the .txt or if their promotion should be delayed.



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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby cybersaber101 » Tue May 26, 2020 8:37 am #562834

A lovely admin who does plenty of mini events...sometimes to increase engagement, promote!
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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Timberpoes » Tue May 26, 2020 10:10 am #562842

Often on during Manuel lowpop hours. Regularly has to stop what he's doing in-game to manage ahelps, which he does quickly and efficiently. Pls keep.

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby RaveRadbury » Tue May 26, 2020 5:14 pm #562879

Working with Vekter has been great. We have opinions that differ enough to create dialogue rather than conflict. They have demonstrated the flexibility necessary to function in this role. I appreciate having them around when I am adminning. Promote.
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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Jack7D1 » Tue May 26, 2020 6:56 pm #562884

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Vekter » Tue May 26, 2020 11:06 pm #562905

It's super not easy and, to the credit of the other admins, I've had a few join and go "hey nobody else was on and I saw you were playing you can deadmin if you want".
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[2020-05-21 01:21:48.923] SAY: Crippo/(Impala Chainee) "Shaggy Voice - She like... wants to get Eiffel Towered bro!!" (Brig (125, 166, 2))

Reply PM from-REDACTED/(REDACTED): i tried to remove the bruises by changing her gender

PM: Bluespace->Delaron: Nobody wants a mime's asscheeks farting on their brig windows.

PM: REDACTED->HotelBravoLima: Oh come on, knowing that these are hostile aliens is metagaming

[17:43] <Aranclanos> any other question ping me again
[17:43] <Vekter> Aranclanos for nicest coder 2015
[17:44] <Aranclanos> fuck you

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Ayy Lemoh » Wed May 27, 2020 12:55 pm #562976

Jack7D1 wrote:
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That should be expected from all admins if they remain admin while playing. I'd be genuinely fucking shocked if Vekter was the only person who practiced this.

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby FloranOtten » Thu May 28, 2020 7:06 pm #563101

Ignoring metaknowledge is expected of all admins. While playing while adminned isn't ideal, an admin should be able to do this.
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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby PKPenguin321 » Thu May 28, 2020 8:42 pm #563110

playing while adminning is absolutely doable and allowed, albeit not preferable. would suggest only doing it if you can consciously separate your IC knowledge from your OOC knowledge, which if you've ever played a tabletop RPG you should know how that is. vekter is 100% fine in this regard.
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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby BigGrease » Fri May 29, 2020 9:28 pm #563253

no

vekter interprets rules in the way he likes to interpret them and enforces them as such

An important point is the rule "Don't be a dick"

its vague, but vekter interprets "no hate speech" out of that. not totally unreasonable.

now, I will not defend shitters who use hate speech on servers for a second. I hate hate speech, and I do not use it personally. But, one instance will always stand out to me.

On one round, someone renamed a room "Nigger cattle ranch." Poor taste, immature, but room names are not obvious unless you search for them. Vekter found the room's name, announced in OOC that this was not ok, banned the person responsible, and then muted ooc JUST TO MAKE A POINT as he went on a rant why this was justified.

I was having a non-in-character coversation in ooc at the time, and did not appreciate the global mute of ooc, so I ahelped Vekter to get him to reconsider. Of course, every time ooc was unmuted it was flooded with waves of hate. Had he kept it unmuted, i believe it would have petered out and gotten old and returned to normalcy.

but no

vekter took the fucking bait and KEPT MUTING OOC

I believe vekter, and his style of adminning, is unfit for tg in its current state. We either need to FIRMLY ESTABLISH THE INTERPRETATION OF "DON'T BE A DICK" or vekter needs to relax his social crusading, no matter how noble it is.

now i understand that my position as a person who's only played on tg for a year or so is much weaker than admins who have been on tg for years and years or whatever, but I'm just stating things from my point of view

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Vekter » Sat May 30, 2020 2:55 am #563278

My only defense is that this happened well over a month ago and I've since improved how I handle matters like that.
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Spoiler:
[2020-05-21 01:21:48.923] SAY: Crippo/(Impala Chainee) "Shaggy Voice - She like... wants to get Eiffel Towered bro!!" (Brig (125, 166, 2))

Reply PM from-REDACTED/(REDACTED): i tried to remove the bruises by changing her gender

PM: Bluespace->Delaron: Nobody wants a mime's asscheeks farting on their brig windows.

PM: REDACTED->HotelBravoLima: Oh come on, knowing that these are hostile aliens is metagaming

[17:43] <Aranclanos> any other question ping me again
[17:43] <Vekter> Aranclanos for nicest coder 2015
[17:44] <Aranclanos> fuck you

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Ivuchnu » Sat May 30, 2020 10:00 am #563316

While I disagree with Vekter on some stuff, such as handling of some tickets or OOC getting muted on multiple counts just because some minor shit, I do believe Vekter does ok job when it comes to adminning.

What happens upon promotion? My position is somewhere between "delay" and "promote" depending on what promotion does.
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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Vekter » Sat May 30, 2020 11:32 am #563324

Ivuchnu wrote:While I disagree with Vekter on some stuff, such as handling of some tickets or OOC getting muted on multiple counts just because some minor shit, I do believe Vekter does ok job when it comes to adminning.

What happens upon promotion? My position is somewhere between "delay" and "promote" depending on what promotion does.


Not much, really. I think there are a few buttons I can't press as a trialmin, but I'm not certain what those are off the top of my head. Otherwise it basically just means I'm a full member of the team.
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[2020-05-21 01:21:48.923] SAY: Crippo/(Impala Chainee) "Shaggy Voice - She like... wants to get Eiffel Towered bro!!" (Brig (125, 166, 2))

Reply PM from-REDACTED/(REDACTED): i tried to remove the bruises by changing her gender

PM: Bluespace->Delaron: Nobody wants a mime's asscheeks farting on their brig windows.

PM: REDACTED->HotelBravoLima: Oh come on, knowing that these are hostile aliens is metagaming

[17:43] <Aranclanos> any other question ping me again
[17:43] <Vekter> Aranclanos for nicest coder 2015
[17:44] <Aranclanos> fuck you

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby saprasam » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:43 am #563495

i havent seen vekter in months but jesus fuck PLEASE stop muting ooc over stupid shit or banning people for 10 minutes over stupid shit
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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Qbopper » Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:32 am #563501

saprasam wrote:i havent seen vekter in months but jesus fuck PLEASE stop muting ooc over stupid shit or banning people for 10 minutes over stupid shit


i was going to sarcastically reword this to point out the absurdity of taking issue with someone's actions when you haven't seen them do those things in months but the post honestly speaks for itself
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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby saprasam » Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:42 am #563502

Qbopper wrote:
saprasam wrote:i havent seen vekter in months but jesus fuck PLEASE stop muting ooc over stupid shit or banning people for 10 minutes over stupid shit


i was going to sarcastically reword this to point out the absurdity of taking issue with someone's actions when you haven't seen them do those things in months but the post honestly speaks for itself
i havent seen vekter in months but i hope he doesnt mute ooc over stupid shit or bans people for 10 minutes over stupid shit anymore
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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Vekter » Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:54 am #563505

saprasam wrote:
Qbopper wrote:
saprasam wrote:i havent seen vekter in months but jesus fuck PLEASE stop muting ooc over stupid shit or banning people for 10 minutes over stupid shit


i was going to sarcastically reword this to point out the absurdity of taking issue with someone's actions when you haven't seen them do those things in months but the post honestly speaks for itself
i havent seen vekter in months but i hope he doesnt mute ooc over stupid shit or bans people for 10 minutes over stupid shit anymore
your wish is my command o'admin lord


I don't.
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Spoiler:
[2020-05-21 01:21:48.923] SAY: Crippo/(Impala Chainee) "Shaggy Voice - She like... wants to get Eiffel Towered bro!!" (Brig (125, 166, 2))

Reply PM from-REDACTED/(REDACTED): i tried to remove the bruises by changing her gender

PM: Bluespace->Delaron: Nobody wants a mime's asscheeks farting on their brig windows.

PM: REDACTED->HotelBravoLima: Oh come on, knowing that these are hostile aliens is metagaming

[17:43] <Aranclanos> any other question ping me again
[17:43] <Vekter> Aranclanos for nicest coder 2015
[17:44] <Aranclanos> fuck you

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby saprasam » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:59 am #563516

Vekter wrote:
saprasam wrote:
Qbopper wrote:
saprasam wrote:i havent seen vekter in months but jesus fuck PLEASE stop muting ooc over stupid shit or banning people for 10 minutes over stupid shit


i was going to sarcastically reword this to point out the absurdity of taking issue with someone's actions when you haven't seen them do those things in months but the post honestly speaks for itself
i havent seen vekter in months but i hope he doesnt mute ooc over stupid shit or bans people for 10 minutes over stupid shit anymore
your wish is my command o'admin lord


I don't.

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Domitius » Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:30 pm #563606

My opinion on him hasn't changed since his last review thread.

I like Vektor, he brings up challenging topics and doesn't hesitate to handle any situation. Always polite, prompt responses, and is easy to talk to making them somebody I am excited to see around.

Promote!

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Boris » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:41 pm #563755

Reminds of Alphonzo in the best way possible, promote.
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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby n00bllna » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:39 pm #563764

Fair admin, who is almost always there to help. Never seen him abuse his powers and always willing to answer ahelps. Would like to see him get promotion
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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Tiviplus » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:14 pm #563768

+1 Fullmin he

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby wet socks » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:12 am #563964

very busy bee, does a lot of work and is almost always the one who answers the supportmin-call-of-duty

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Nabski » Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:05 pm #563998

I had a meh ahelp with Vekter where he missed my original point and it turned into big paragraphs. Eventually we realized we were arguing at completely different things.

Another time, they came online to deal with grief on lowpop at round end and didn't delay the round too much so that was very cool.

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby FloranOtten » Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:38 pm #564003

I'd advocate his promotion but I kind of want him to end up being a trialmin for a full year, for a laugh.

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Fikou » Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:00 pm #564235

sometimes does dumb stuff but hes pretty epic
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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Nabski » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:16 pm #564920

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26838

I get that this is pretty cut and dry, but shouldn't someone more experienced be the one to get to say it?

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby bobbahbrown » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:35 pm #564923

Nabski wrote:https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26838

I get that this is pretty cut and dry, but shouldn't someone more experienced be the one to get to say it?

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vekter could clarify but im assuming he probably asked in adminbus if it was fine or asked someone prior

i wouldnt really hold that against someone its such a moot point imo
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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Vekter » Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:56 am #564967

I've been around the server off and on for over ten years. A headmin is, as always, welcome to overrule me on that but considering that he's banned for the same things on both Bee and Yog I felt very comfortable saying no.
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[2020-05-21 01:21:48.923] SAY: Crippo/(Impala Chainee) "Shaggy Voice - She like... wants to get Eiffel Towered bro!!" (Brig (125, 166, 2))

Reply PM from-REDACTED/(REDACTED): i tried to remove the bruises by changing her gender

PM: Bluespace->Delaron: Nobody wants a mime's asscheeks farting on their brig windows.

PM: REDACTED->HotelBravoLima: Oh come on, knowing that these are hostile aliens is metagaming

[17:43] <Aranclanos> any other question ping me again
[17:43] <Vekter> Aranclanos for nicest coder 2015
[17:44] <Aranclanos> fuck you

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Re: Trialmin Review: Vekter

Postby Coconutwarrior97 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:11 am #567286

Promoted.


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