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Karp wrote:

Nilons wrote:

tinodrima7020 wrote:

metagangs

Not exclusive.

being the hops pet

Not exclusive.

meow in Japanese

How does this negatively affect your round.

I still think they cause problems with the ai

They are nonhuman and most silicon players/A.I. players are rules lawyering mongs/look for any way to kill people.

Not being exclusive does not mean it isn't very prevalent in a specific group

Where's your proof?

You want to operate on the assumption that something has to be entirely exclusive to be prevalent? That everything happens in exactly equal amounts with no affect from outside factors unless those factors are exclusive to the thing itself? Here is an example that supports the opposite, multiple players said that they played more head roles when antag rep was enabled. People playing heads was not exclusive among people who wanted antag rep, but was more prevalent than before.

Unless you're trying to ask me where's the proof any of those specific things being more prevalent in cat players, which I did not say definitively just that I'd expect it

Everyone is just restating arguments or pointing out why some are shitty at this point.

But unloved rock has proven that sharing personal anecdotes is worthwhile, so I’ll try.

You forum goers wouldn’t know, but despite my anti-cat stance, I have a lot of friends IC who play as cats. When I first started playing I hated cats, then I kinda stopped because I saw my misconceptions about them were just that: misconceptions. I had related cat girls to IRL furries in my head, and hated them as a result. However, I have been pretty anti-cat for months on end again.

This is because I realized that they really were fetish material, especially OOC, but ICly too. I can name multiple well known, active cat mains who clearly fetishize themselves and others. Ringleader being Shezza, but lets dig deeper. Cats will flirt with each other ic, hint at shit, etc. This obviously doesn’t apply to all, but the majority if not large minority.

I was recently added to the Cat Discord (chill I left after 10 minutes), which basically consisted of cat mains plus some of their friends. And fucking hell the shit I saw. They were fucking flirting with each others fursonas, and certain members sending lewd pictures of catgirls in the chat. You can discredit this bc its OOC but a large chunk of the cat community was in there, its clearly more than “a couple pixles” to them. I saw admins and at least one headmin there too.

This is why I consider cats fetish material and want them removed. Cats are the reason I don’t show friends this game.

Shezza wrote:the setting has been raped multiple times by silly haha additions like gondolas (i personaly like them)

the setting argument could've been used years ago but now its kinda irrelevant cause no other feature is kept to standards of the setting

Largely this. They don't fit but tg has no standards on its lore anyway. A good example is a naming policy which isn't enforced and the bottom falling out of really any kind of rp or interaction on the server.

From an IC standpoint I've never witnessed anyone on tg actually fetishize or otherwise with their cat people.
I don't even really notice someones playing as a cat person when they're all geared up unless they're going out of their way to advertise it as such which doesn't seem to happen often.
It's really hard for me to see them as immersion breaking at all when Medbay is Mothtown, Lizardmen are dishing out justice, the crew is in the chapel attending a wedding between the Clown and a cow.

Personally I think in IC it drives content not only for the people who seem to enjoy playing as catpeople but for the people that are bigoted (?) towards them. I don't think content is a bad thing.

OOC wise this really seems like it's being made into a bigger issue than it should be by both sides and I've said on discord it's fucked up that this whole thing is turning into a UN summit, passion is appreciated sure but I think it makes us all look stupid. My personal opinion though.

We live in a shitty world where everyone escapes to this mishmash of code to try and have fun and escape their normal lives. If someones not breaking the server rules or intentionally being a dick by playing a catgirl why do we deny them what makes them happy? Once again personal opinion.

I don't play much so feel free to completely dismiss my opinion, but I've always seen catpeople as a completely arbitrary feature that is a holdover from out-of-universe culture (the chans), so it's inclusion always was a bit weird to me. A lot of people who play catpeople usually act lowkey annoying on purpose, and the cutesy stuff does not really contrast well with the game's environment in my opinion.

Also, I don't think there's really much that catpeople bring to the table that you couldn't just do as a human.

confused rock wrote:Guess I might as well argue on ferish content now, god help me
Anything can be fetishised, yes, but some things are better suited to it than others. If someone added a dildo, just because a cucumber works doesn’t matter. A cucumber has other uses. I struggle to think of any way to immerse yourself as a catgirl except as a skirt wearing creep who says meow in japanese. You can kill someone with a gun, but you can with a chair too, so why not regulate chairs? Chairs have other uses. We know what guns were made for. We know what catgirls are based off. Dismiss this if you have no better ideas, but if catgirls are not “fetish content” what are they?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division

The difference is guns are designed to be a weapon, and dildos are designed for sex. Catgirls were first made because they were cute to Japanese people, just because porn exists of everything doesn't mean it's inherently fetish content. (I'd argue the earliest 'version' of a catgirl is kitsune, ears being visible in human form etc etc)

Catgirl RP is meme RP we all know it, but RP in the modern TG is.. well you'd find more RP in a game of For Honor so I don't think it's an argument to remove.

the issue is all debates involving this that have ever spawned are circular, we're screaming about the same shit we did before, it clearly makes people happy to play so why does it matter in the end? 'oh fetish content, oh it encourages bad players' bad players get banned, and if it were fetish content we have no ERP on /tg/ anyway so who cares what people turn into a fetish? all i see happening with this removal is a ton of drama and catplayers will still be here even if they get removed

all in all, why does it matter so much to argue over catgirls? aren't there better things to froth over?

Just my two plasmeme cents

lmwevil wrote:
all in all, why does it matter so much to argue over catgirls? aren't there better things to froth over?

Just my two plasmeme cents

This goes both ways, are they worth all this horseshit to keep when they do pretty much nothing but still have half the server voting to get rid of them?

Nilons wrote:

lmwevil wrote:
all in all, why does it matter so much to argue over catgirls? aren't there better things to froth over?

Just my two plasmeme cents

This goes both ways, are they worth all this horseshit to keep when they do pretty much nothing but still have half the server voting to get rid of them?

Sounds like a problem with the community then my dude

IkeTG wrote:I don't play much so feel free to completely dismiss my opinion, but I've always seen catpeople as a completely arbitrary feature that is a holdover from out-of-universe culture (the chans),

maybe on /trash/

I think in general most of the problems of arguing about catgirls is 90% of arguments work both ways or are subjective. I’d have to pull a J_mad and document my every interaction with catgirls and another race to get something fairly usable, and I aint doin that. The combined knowledge everyone has keeps them firmly on their own side and is hard to explain.

PKPenguin321 wrote:

IkeTG wrote:I don't play much so feel free to completely dismiss my opinion, but I've always seen catpeople as a completely arbitrary feature that is a holdover from out-of-universe culture (the chans),

maybe on /trash/

yea nowadays everyone's moved onto elves...

But the point is that it seems like catpeople are races in the game because of culture that exists outside of the game, which isn't always a bad thing, I just think it's weird in this case.

confused rock wrote:I think in general most of the problems of arguing about catgirls is 90% of arguments work both ways or are subjective.

If this is a thread for community opinion over a community vote, why wouldn't subjective or anecdotal accounts be acceptable?

IkeTG wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:

IkeTG wrote:I don't play much so feel free to completely dismiss my opinion, but I've always seen catpeople as a completely arbitrary feature that is a holdover from out-of-universe culture (the chans),

maybe on /trash/

yea nowadays everyone's moved onto elves...

But the point is that it seems like catpeople are races in the game because of culture that exists outside of the game, which isn't always a bad thing, I just think it's weird in this case.

confused rock wrote:I think in general most of the problems of arguing about catgirls is 90% of arguments work both ways or are subjective.

If this is a thread for community opinion over a community vote, why wouldn't subjective or anecdotal accounts be acceptable?

Again Felinids go back even before the boards. RPGs featured them heavily in the 90s and even the 80s. IIRC they really gained steam with the production of PFSRD. As far back as I can remember they were a part of /TG/ and I can go as far back as seeing the Nick Berg beheading and shit being posted on the chans.

Never meant to imply that ike, but it does make things a pain. Wonder how bad a time I'd have if I did pull a j mad

wah-wah-wah
You know, all this bitching about catpeople and liggers and moffs makes me want for a headmin team to just outright say 'fuck you, cats are staying. Any PRs or forum bitching to effect their removal will be met with a jobban to clown after we port in Curse of the Cluwne and a 1% chance at spawning naturally as a cluwne. Creepy fucks gonna creep and fuck, hopefully on their own time and in their own space, and they're gonna break some other rule eventually if they're already as bad as you say they are.'

If we're bitching about cats as fetish content, then my boy, we better ban humans, too, 'cuz there's literally terabytes of human fetish material out there.

Snuffleupagus wrote:Again Felinids go back even before the boards. RPGs featured them heavily in the 90s and even the 80s. IIRC they really gained steam with the production of PFSRD. As far back as I can remember they were a part of /TG/ and I can go as far back as seeing the Nick Berg beheading and shit being posted on the chans.

This doesn't matter because the people who like catgirls don't like them because of MUDs and 90s RPGs

MollyKristoph wrote:wah-wah-wah
You know, all this bitching about catpeople and liggers and moffs makes me want for a headmin team to just outright say 'fuck you, cats are staying. Any PRs or forum bitching to effect their removal will be met with a jobban to clown after we port in Curse of the Cluwne and a 1% chance at spawning naturally as a cluwne. Creepy fucks gonna creep and fuck, hopefully on their own time and in their own space, and they're gonna break some other rule eventually if they're already as bad as you say they are.'

If we're bitching about cats as fetish content, then my boy, we better ban humans, too, 'cuz there's literally terabytes of human fetish material out there.

What a bad, uninformed post.

Am I the only one who voted even though they didn't really care about the result either way?

IkeTG wrote:

Snuffleupagus wrote:Again Felinids go back even before the boards. RPGs featured them heavily in the 90s and even the 80s. IIRC they really gained steam with the production of PFSRD. As far back as I can remember they were a part of /TG/ and I can go as far back as seeing the Nick Berg beheading and shit being posted on the chans.

This doesn't matter because the people who like catgirls don't like them because of MUDs and 90s RPGs

I beg your bloody pardon, miss?
Though, to be fair, the MUDs I usually played were Star Wars-related ones, though I did have a Togorian character on at least a few, so I guess that still counts.

Farquaar wrote:Am I the only one who voted even though they didn't really care about the result either way?

Do you at least remember how you voted? There's plenty of polls that are just for gauging public interest. I don't think you should feel ban for assuming this one was the same.

MollyKristoph wrote:

IkeTG wrote:

Snuffleupagus wrote:Again Felinids go back even before the boards. RPGs featured them heavily in the 90s and even the 80s. IIRC they really gained steam with the production of PFSRD. As far back as I can remember they were a part of /TG/ and I can go as far back as seeing the Nick Berg beheading and shit being posted on the chans.

This doesn't matter because the people who like catgirls don't like them because of MUDs and 90s RPGs

I beg your bloody pardon, miss?
Though, to be fair, the MUDs I usually played were Star Wars-related ones, though I did have a Togorian character on at least a few, so I guess that still counts.

Ditto. There was a Tolkien related one I played back in the day that had felinids. Hell even a mech warrior MUD that had people with different traits. Vulpine like ears and such.

Snuffleupagus wrote:As far back as I can remember they were a part of /TG/

Snuffleupagus wrote:/TG/

So, last summer?

obscolene wrote:

Snuffleupagus wrote:As far back as I can remember they were a part of /TG/

Snuffleupagus wrote:/TG/

So, last summer?

You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting.

MollyKristoph wrote:I beg your bloody pardon, miss?
Though, to be fair, the MUDs I usually played were Star Wars-related ones, though I did have a Togorian character on at least a few, so I guess that still counts.

I dunno, doesn't seem like that would be the case with most cat players. But I've been wrong before!

IkeTG wrote: This doesn't matter because the people who like catgirls don't like them because of MUDs and 90s RPGs

tfw not even talking about FATAL
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/FATAL

i'm not even gonna caption this, it's a CURSED link though.

CosmicScientist wrote:

Nabski wrote:

Farquaar wrote:Am I the only one who voted even though they didn't really care about the result either way?

Do you at least remember how you voted? There's plenty of polls that are just for gauging public interest. I don't think you should feel ban for assuming this one was the same.

'Ello 'ello 'ello, wot 'ave we 'ere? Asking for 'ow he votes whils' 'oldin' a hammer ta ban him wit'?

Was voter turnout spectacular or nothing special?

I think it was about 500-600 people voted, but I don't know how that related to unique CD keys seen during that time.

lmwevil wrote:

IkeTG wrote: This doesn't matter because the people who like catgirls don't like them because of MUDs and 90s RPGs

tfw not even talking about FATAL
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/FATAL

i'm not even gonna caption this, it's a CURSED link though.

if fatal was the inspiration for catpeople i would be making goofposts rn not gonna lie

Nabski wrote:

CosmicScientist wrote:

Nabski wrote:

Farquaar wrote:Am I the only one who voted even though they didn't really care about the result either way?

Do you at least remember how you voted? There's plenty of polls that are just for gauging public interest. I don't think you should feel ban for assuming this one was the same.

'Ello 'ello 'ello, wot 'ave we 'ere? Asking for 'ow he votes whils' 'oldin' a hammer ta ban him wit'?

Was voter turnout spectacular or nothing special?

I think it was about 500-600 people voted, but I don't know how that related to unique CD keys seen during that time.

I’m curious are there polls that we can compare this to? What’s the average response on polls and such. Is there an INCREASED number that participated in this specific poll I.e. 300 more users participated in this poll than any other etc...

Didnt read the thread but i think its so d*ng funny how quickly the dialogue changed from MAJORITY RULES YOU HAVE TO REMOVE CATS NOW to THE POLL WAS BARELY IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THEM THATS NOT A GOOD MARGIN IT DOESNT COUNT WTF

Also goofball posting about how singling people out is bad nearly made me laugh so hard i passed out and put a hole in my computer monitor with my massive skull that contains my gigantic brain because I am so smart for not having a stance in this issue since i dont play but sticking around to laugh at everyone anyways

big money wyzack over and out please code my new concept escape shuttle (_|_)==============D~~~~~~~

PS please dont tell Erik im stealing his posting style i cant handle another lawsuit right now

CosmicScientist wrote:If you take the url for the poll, reduce its ID by one, you can see the previous poll. I'm surprised this was poll number 200 on the dot.

Edit: doesn't actually show the results of those previous polls and some of them are blank

With how MSO appears to be about transparency with stuff like this I’d hardly think this is a GOOD outcome. Some comparative analysis could do some good here.

Edit: Who all has access to them and what not?

Snuffleupagus wrote:

Nabski wrote:

CosmicScientist wrote:

Nabski wrote:

Farquaar wrote:Am I the only one who voted even though they didn't really care about the result either way?

Do you at least remember how you voted? There's plenty of polls that are just for gauging public interest. I don't think you should feel ban for assuming this one was the same.

'Ello 'ello 'ello, wot 'ave we 'ere? Asking for 'ow he votes whils' 'oldin' a hammer ta ban him wit'?

Was voter turnout spectacular or nothing special?

I think it was about 500-600 people voted, but I don't know how that related to unique CD keys seen during that time.

I’m curious are there polls that we can compare this to? What’s the average response on polls and such. Is there an INCREASED number that participated in this specific poll I.e. 300 more users participated in this poll than any other etc...

https://atlantaned.space/statbus/poll.php
IRV polls dont work on that site (they also erroneously show way too many responses) and I'm not sure the other site is public (as in, I'm not sure I'm allowed to link it), ask MSO if you're curious about IRV polls in particular

CosmicScientist wrote:>headmin election 4,900 responses
>headmin election, admin only vote, 434 responses
We've had 434 admins in the entirety of /tg/station?

like i said, it throws way too many responses for IRV polls and doesnt actually display results. IRV polls are still bugged on ned's site

Wyzack wrote:Didnt read the thread but i think its so d*ng funny how quickly the dialogue changed from MAJORITY RULES YOU HAVE TO REMOVE CATS NOW to THE POLL WAS BARELY IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THEM THATS NOT A GOOD MARGIN IT DOESNT COUNT WTF

I haven't seen anyone doubling back besides grayzn but reading his posts is basically community service so I don't think it counts

wesoda25 wrote:I was recently added to the Cat Discord (chill I left after 10 minutes), which basically consisted of cat mains plus some of their friends. And fucking hell the shit I saw. (...) certain members sending lewd pictures of catgirls in the chat.

You're acting like people don't post hardcode furry porn and sometimes CP in admin-free-hut

Ironically enough these people do not play catgirls but lizards instead.

You have to admire the parallels.

The changes to Sybil has been repealed until the results of the new vote come in.

wesoda25 wrote:I was recently added to the Cat Discord (chill I left after 10 minutes), which basically consisted of cat mains plus some of their friends. And fucking hell the shit I saw. (...) certain members sending lewd pictures of catgirls in the chat.

>join discord aimed at the catgirl
>wtf i saw lewd pictures of fetishized catgirls
lol

BeeSting12 wrote:

wesoda25 wrote:I was recently added to the Cat Discord (chill I left after 10 minutes), which basically consisted of cat mains plus some of their friends. And fucking hell the shit I saw. (...) certain members sending lewd pictures of catgirls in the chat.

>join discord aimed at the catgirl
>wtf i saw lewd pictures of fetishized catgirls
lol

is this doublethink

I was recently added to a gachimuchi discord (chill i left after 10 minutes), which basically consisted of goof plus some of his friends. And fucking hell the shit I saw.

Wyzack wrote:Didnt read the thread but i think its so d*ng funny how quickly the dialogue changed from MAJORITY RULES YOU HAVE TO REMOVE CATS NOW to THE POLL WAS BARELY IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THEM THATS NOT A GOOD MARGIN IT DOESNT COUNT WTF

What's funny is that it was the exact opposite among the admin team, they were arguing that it was too close to call and that I should not merge the revert without a majority, but as soon as the poll was finished it was a done deal and I should close the PR

quite funny.

Nabski wrote:

Farquaar wrote:Am I the only one who voted even though they didn't really care about the result either way?

Do you at least remember how you voted? There's plenty of polls that are just for gauging public interest. I don't think you should feel ban for assuming this one was the same.

Oh no, I knew the vote had a chance of going somewhere. Cat people add nothing to the game, but they don’t really take anything away, so in the end I chose my vote based on the one argument that I thought had a shred of persuasive value.

Whether the vote is ratified or not is more a matter of administration at this point.

Snuffleupagus wrote:

obscolene wrote:

Snuffleupagus wrote:As far back as I can remember they were a part of /TG/

Snuffleupagus wrote:/TG/

So, last summer?

You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting.

didn't you make the big rage post about leaving and never coming back? Can you just commit already.

Shezza wrote:I was recently added to a gachimuchi discord (chill i left after 10 minutes), which basically consisted of goof plus some of his friends. And fucking hell the shit I saw.

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Reenabling Catpeople on Sybil seems an odd choice. Wouldn't it make more sense to keep em disabled until the (fifty third) upcoming vote to try and plactate both sides?

I'm pretty sure we still have the dick pixel and a library full of lizard porn.

I'm sure surprised nobody has tried to remove those yet even though they are literally sexual content.

Reading hard core tentacle rape on the radio is okay because it's funny or something because of shock value but cat ears is where we draw the line.

Dax Dupont wrote:I'm pretty sure we still have the dick pixel and a library full of lizard porn.

I'm sure surprised nobody has tried to remove those yet even though they are literally sexual content.

Reading hard core tentacle rape on the radio is okay because it's funny or something because of shock value but cat ears is where we draw the line.

nobody is arguing to keep lizard porn
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if that's your argument then by all means remove those too

oranges wrote:

Wyzack wrote:Didnt read the thread but i think its so d*ng funny how quickly the dialogue changed from MAJORITY RULES YOU HAVE TO REMOVE CATS NOW to THE POLL WAS BARELY IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THEM THATS NOT A GOOD MARGIN IT DOESNT COUNT WTF

What's funny is that it was the exact opposite among the admin team, they were arguing that it was too close to call and that I should not merge the revert without a majority, but as soon as the poll was finished it was a done deal and I should close the PR

quite funny.

yep thats the way she goes

what's up guys what's going on here
edit: oh god we are truly at the end of the century

Steelpoint wrote:Reenabling Catpeople on Sybil seems an odd choice. Wouldn't it make more sense to keep em disabled until the (fifty third) upcoming vote to try and plactate both sides?

the last time this happened all it did was move the cat players on sybil to bagil and drop sybil's pop for a while

If a feature is popular in a community and there is one server in the community where it is hosted on people will flock to the server to get that

it's idiotic and it satisifies nobody while exacerbating population inflation during highpop on bagil

It might not seem bad but having one server at 120-140 players and the other at 40-60 is creating an issue that is worse than cats

Even if the change gets reverted people don't like to migrate servers every other week or month repeatedly to the lower population one

How many people are actually going to actually switch servers because of cats though? I’m pretty sure there’s only a handful of people who care that much

Aint that kinda the exact point karp
Having both servers have different pops is probably for the best anyway, variety is nice in retrospect. You make migrating servers sound hard when I bet I could play both servers at once if I wanted.