Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Users can post replies, but only game admins, mods, and forum admins may post topics. Mainly for questions and official discussions

Moderator: In-Game Head Admins

User avatar
Rustledjimm
 
Joined: Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:07 pm
Byond Username: Rustledjimm

Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby Rustledjimm » Thu May 03, 2018 12:46 am #406435

Optimumtact has now been on the .txt as a Trial Admin for 2 months.

Please use this thread as public review; it's encouraged for players to comment on how well/badly the trial admin has done and whether or not they think the trial admin should be made a full admin, if they should be removed from the .txt or if their promotion should be delayed.
So uhh, I'm an admin. Please leave feedback! Oops took me a while to strike that through.

Will Baker
Suzu Suzaku
TBC
Spoiler:
Image

Personal Ban Length Record: 2.1024e+006 minutes



User avatar
Armhulen
In-Game Game Master
 
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm
Byond Username: Armhulenn
Github Username: it's a long story

Re: Trialmin Review: oranges

Postby Armhulen » Thu May 03, 2018 12:47 am #406437

promote
Image

User avatar
Durkel
 
Joined: Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:14 pm
Byond Username: Durkel

Re: Trialmin Review: oranges

Postby Durkel » Thu May 03, 2018 12:48 am #406438

The hero we deserve and about the only one who will call people out for bullshit.
Sierra Welbe says, "Tim Ebow fucking threw soap everywhere near the HoP office, like I mean 20 fucking goddamn bars AND I CAN'T STOP SLIPPING"
Image

User avatar
Nabski
 
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:42 pm
Location: TN
Byond Username: Nabski
Github Username: Nabski89

Re: Trialmin Review: oranges

Postby Nabski » Thu May 03, 2018 12:48 am #406439

I have literally never seen this man online.

I guess that makes them good because they are covering a set of hours we don't have others in.

User avatar
Qbopper
 
Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:34 pm
Location: Canada
Byond Username: Qbopper
Github Username: Qbopper

Re: Trialmin Review: oranges

Postby Qbopper » Thu May 03, 2018 12:55 am #406448

still not and never will be a fan of how he knowingly is rude and obnoxious a lot, it reflects poorly on everyone and accomplishes very little - then he justifies it with "well if i'm being a douche it's because you're being stupid" but that ignores everything wrong with being rude to people

my post doesn't matter though because he has acted this way for a long time and gets away with it through a combo of technical usefulness and nobody wanting to do anything about it so i'm sure he'll get fullmin and continue to go through the cycle of doing things that are helpful/whatever and then ramping up how much shit he does until it gets near breaking point, then he'll apologize (or not) and repeat

really don't understand why you continue to act like this in general because you've shown everyone many times that you're capable of not being an ass and people appreciate it when you aren't

will likely ignore what i'm saying and dismiss me as mad/butthurt

I hope you find a way to disagree with people without being needlessly hostile and you ease up on the times when you're an asshole for zero reason

edit: also of note is how people will agree that oranges takes things way too far and is a problem, then will turn around and say he should be promoted without addressing any of these issues

edit 2: would like to also point out that i'm not trying to incite a fight and will likely not post any more in this thread, i've said my piece and it likely won't do anything anyhow so stirring the pot isn't necessary
Limey wrote:its too late.

User avatar
Shezza
 
Joined: Sat May 27, 2017 6:54 pm
Byond Username: Wilchen

Re: Trialmin Review: oranges

Postby Shezza » Thu May 03, 2018 1:09 am #406457

I wish I had anything nice to say here.

User avatar
PKPenguin321
In-Game Game Master
 
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:02 pm
Location: U S A, U S A, U S A
Byond Username: PKPenguin321
Github Username: PKPenguin321

Re: Trialmin Review: oranges

Postby PKPenguin321 » Thu May 03, 2018 1:12 am #406464

he's like the incredibly tough parent who loves you but will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever admit it and will instead tell you he hates you as long as it motivates you to do better

promote
i play Lauser McMauligan. clown name is Cold-Ass Honkey
i have three other top secret characters as well.
tell the best admin how good he is
Spoiler:
Image

User avatar
captain sawrge
 
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:13 pm
Byond Username: Sawrge

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby captain sawrge » Thu May 03, 2018 1:19 am #406468

Image

User avatar
Qbmax32
In-Game Admin
 
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:05 am
Location: somewhere
Byond Username: Qbmax32
Github Username: qbmax32

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby Qbmax32 » Thu May 03, 2018 1:24 am #406471

Good boy
my admin feedback thread


quotes
Spoiler:
angelstarri wrote:qbmax is a retard


imsxz wrote:mythic please stop you’ve hit rock bottom and you KEEP DIGGING


deedubya wrote:I'll defend to the death your right to scream "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER" on a constant basis, but I'll also equally defend the right of people to call you a fuckin' pillock for doing it.

datorangebottle wrote:what, not having to act like customer service in a volunteer customer service position?

Here's a rebuttal: you're literally in a customer service slash celebrity position. Volunteer or not.

Malkraz wrote:can you stop posting this shit

Nalzul wrote:Fuck Blob (can you imagine how hot it would be to be gangbanged by a bunch of blobbernauts, the blob, and spores)

Wyzack wrote:qbmax your pathetic display of abhorrent burgercraft has brought shame onto the omnivores

Plapatin wrote:i AM the senate

BONERMASTER wrote:I am a big thinker, and it would only be logical if my character had a big head as well. And glasses. Because only people that think, wear glasses.

feem wrote:i tried to send canisters of urine to the station but ended up turning all oxygen into urine and breaking lavaland and also breathing

Anonmare wrote:Each post in this thread can't settle on what it wants to be, but yet, each one is more cursed than the last.

Beesting12 wrote:please write an apology to this forums, this community, the host, and the internet as a whole for the data storage space you wasted with this complaint.

Vile Beggar wrote:i don't like this thread

imsxz wrote:nervore

FantasticFwoosh wrote:I will whisper sweet nothings that will confuse and perhaps scare you a little, but enhance the experience no-less.

afelinidisfinetoo wrote:By the way, the person who posted that catgirl porn on the github page was me. If anyone wants my private stash just PM me

Nervere wrote:Anything for a femoid.....

Qbopper wrote:I'm a dumb poopy butthead

CitrusGender wrote:god i love it when people feed me my own fried legs

User avatar
Xhuis
Github User
 
Joined: Mon May 26, 2014 1:04 pm
Location: North Carolina
Byond Username: Xhuis
Github Username: Xhuis

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby Xhuis » Thu May 03, 2018 1:44 am #406476

going to mirror qbopper here. oranges has historically caused problems for the sake of a laugh and continually belittles and mocks people he doesn't like. while I can't speak for his admin conduct, I think trusting them with admin, as someone who has clearly shown they are willing to throw around and abuse the power they have, is a poor decision, and if the headmins are set on doing so, I'm curious to hear their reasons and justifications why it would be a good idea instead of a poor one, especially considering the outcry that went up at him being allowed to skip the candidacy period.
I'm an ex-coder for /tg/. I made the original versions of clockcult, shadowlings, revenants, His Grace, and other stuff.
I don't play, code, or participate in the community, but I occasionally post dumb stuff in the hut.
Kraso wrote:hi gay

wubli wrote:xhuis you said you were feeling better but every thread you make makes me worry more about your sanity

ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone wrote:Sorry I was making fun of xhuis' """""compromise""""" who insisted that was the correct term to use.

CitrusGender wrote:We've ended up disabling clockcult on sybil and bagil now (terry is having some problems.) We will give Xhuis some time until he wishes to work upon it again. As of now, please use this thread for ideas and not for bickering.

wubli wrote:you are a cultist of the gay

IkeTG wrote:It's a reflection of humanity, like all of man's creation. You cannot divorce this act from yourself, in a way there's a big titty moth inside all of us.

wesoda25 wrote:yeah no one was curious what it was from. Imagine choosing being a degenerate as your forum gimmick, LOL

User avatar
oranges
Code Maintainer
 
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 pm
Location: #CHATSHITGETBANGED
Byond Username: Optimumtact
Github Username: optimumtact

Re: Trialmin Review: oranges

Postby oranges » Thu May 03, 2018 1:49 am #406477

Qbopper wrote:still not and never will be a fan of how he knowingly is rude and obnoxious a lot, it reflects poorly on everyone and accomplishes very little - then he justifies it with "well if i'm being a douche it's because you're being stupid" but that ignores everything wrong with being rude to people.

They're wrong by your belief system, as far as I am concerned it's inconsequential, generally I find that being rude or blunt is more effective at communicating what I mean to people, the rest is just the way I am as a person.

User avatar
oranges
Code Maintainer
 
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 pm
Location: #CHATSHITGETBANGED
Byond Username: Optimumtact
Github Username: optimumtact

Re: Trialmin Review: oranges

Postby oranges » Thu May 03, 2018 1:50 am #406480

Nabski wrote:I have literally never seen this man online.

I guess that makes them good because they are covering a set of hours we don't have others in.

I'm not as active as I'd like to be, but I do imagine I cover a weird set of hours

User avatar
Xhuis
Github User
 
Joined: Mon May 26, 2014 1:04 pm
Location: North Carolina
Byond Username: Xhuis
Github Username: Xhuis

Re: Trialmin Review: oranges

Postby Xhuis » Thu May 03, 2018 2:01 am #406481

oranges wrote:
Qbopper wrote:still not and never will be a fan of how he knowingly is rude and obnoxious a lot, it reflects poorly on everyone and accomplishes very little - then he justifies it with "well if i'm being a douche it's because you're being stupid" but that ignores everything wrong with being rude to people.

They're wrong by your belief system, as far as I am concerned it's inconsequential, generally I find that being rude or blunt is more effective at communicating what I mean to people, the rest is just the way I am as a person.

Do you feel that you would make a good choice for a more permanent, full admin, in spite of that being who you are as a person? People who haven't gotten along well with others or trust their snap judgements too quickly generally are deadminned or resigned; in recent history, see beesting, daturix, that one guy who spawned the ash drakes and played as Jan-Michael Vincent whose name I can't remember. I don't mean to be attacking you here, I'm just trying to consider your own thoughts on it and curious how you feel you would fare.
I'm an ex-coder for /tg/. I made the original versions of clockcult, shadowlings, revenants, His Grace, and other stuff.
I don't play, code, or participate in the community, but I occasionally post dumb stuff in the hut.
Kraso wrote:hi gay

wubli wrote:xhuis you said you were feeling better but every thread you make makes me worry more about your sanity

ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone wrote:Sorry I was making fun of xhuis' """""compromise""""" who insisted that was the correct term to use.

CitrusGender wrote:We've ended up disabling clockcult on sybil and bagil now (terry is having some problems.) We will give Xhuis some time until he wishes to work upon it again. As of now, please use this thread for ideas and not for bickering.

wubli wrote:you are a cultist of the gay

IkeTG wrote:It's a reflection of humanity, like all of man's creation. You cannot divorce this act from yourself, in a way there's a big titty moth inside all of us.

wesoda25 wrote:yeah no one was curious what it was from. Imagine choosing being a degenerate as your forum gimmick, LOL

User avatar
oranges
Code Maintainer
 
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 pm
Location: #CHATSHITGETBANGED
Byond Username: Optimumtact
Github Username: optimumtact

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby oranges » Thu May 03, 2018 2:03 am #406482

Yes I think I would do fine, my administrative record speaks for itself I believe

I do get along well with people, I bear nobody here any real ill will, but if i think you are acting stupid or being dumb over something, I will tell you to your face, and in front of people and I will make fun of you.

I won't pull punches just because I like you either.

User avatar
Armhulen
In-Game Game Master
 
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm
Byond Username: Armhulenn
Github Username: it's a long story

Re: Trialmin Review: oranges

Postby Armhulen » Thu May 03, 2018 2:06 am #406483

PKPenguin321 wrote:he's like the incredibly tough parent who loves you but will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever admit it and will instead tell you he hates you as long as it motivates you to do better

promote

I feel like this, out of all the caring amazing people oranges is up there for the people who care about me doing well the most. He's a hateful old hag but behind that peel is oranges when he equips the dog with sunglasses on the beach avatar
Image

User avatar
SpaceInaba
 
Joined: Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:03 pm
Location: everyone's favorite sjw
Byond Username: SpaceInaba

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby SpaceInaba » Thu May 03, 2018 2:07 am #406484

Oranges is very bipolar in my honest opinion and one day I may enjoy his presence and the next I will feel as though I have just been stabbed in the abdomen, however when he's being serious he is actually a respectable person and if he can tone down the more undesirable aspects of his persona I believe he would make a great admin.
Spoiler:
ImageImageImage
fuck,

User avatar
kevinz000
In-Game Admin
 
Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:41 am
Location: Dorm Room 3
Byond Username: Kevinz000
Github Username: kevinz000

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby kevinz000 » Thu May 03, 2018 2:07 am #406485

oranges is a good admin

User avatar
Xhuis
Github User
 
Joined: Mon May 26, 2014 1:04 pm
Location: North Carolina
Byond Username: Xhuis
Github Username: Xhuis

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby Xhuis » Thu May 03, 2018 2:08 am #406486

I disagree with your sentiment about getting along with people. Historically, anyone who has been here for some time can confirm that you have caused a lot of fighting and drama, directly or indirectly. I'm a little confused as to your view, especially given your seeming disdain for a pretty large section of our playerbase (anyone who supports mutantparts), but nevertheless. that's not my judgement to make.
Armhulen wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:he's like the incredibly tough parent who loves you but will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever admit it and will instead tell you he hates you as long as it motivates you to do better

promote

I feel like this, out of all the caring amazing people oranges is up there for the people who care about me doing well the most. He's a hateful old hag but behind that peel is oranges when he equips the dog with sunglasses on the beach avatar

As a headmin, I feel it's important in your shoes to take into consideration his very obvious spotty past among a lot of our players. Are there any non-personal reasons that you feel he would succeed as an admin despite what oranges has done in the past?
I'm an ex-coder for /tg/. I made the original versions of clockcult, shadowlings, revenants, His Grace, and other stuff.
I don't play, code, or participate in the community, but I occasionally post dumb stuff in the hut.
Kraso wrote:hi gay

wubli wrote:xhuis you said you were feeling better but every thread you make makes me worry more about your sanity

ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone wrote:Sorry I was making fun of xhuis' """""compromise""""" who insisted that was the correct term to use.

CitrusGender wrote:We've ended up disabling clockcult on sybil and bagil now (terry is having some problems.) We will give Xhuis some time until he wishes to work upon it again. As of now, please use this thread for ideas and not for bickering.

wubli wrote:you are a cultist of the gay

IkeTG wrote:It's a reflection of humanity, like all of man's creation. You cannot divorce this act from yourself, in a way there's a big titty moth inside all of us.

wesoda25 wrote:yeah no one was curious what it was from. Imagine choosing being a degenerate as your forum gimmick, LOL

User avatar
oranges
Code Maintainer
 
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 pm
Location: #CHATSHITGETBANGED
Byond Username: Optimumtact
Github Username: optimumtact

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby oranges » Thu May 03, 2018 2:11 am #406487

If you think getting along with people is blindly agreeing with everything they say and then just passively aggressively going against it later then I guess yes in your world I might not get along with people.

I believe that getting along with people requires being honest, which means not mollifying the things I believe just because someone I like believes differently.

If the resulting argument then causes tension and drama then good, it's better we hash that out right away and move on rather than snipe and dance around each other with polite faces, leaving the tension unresolved and building all the time.

I don't like people who play lizards and cats, I won't hide that and I don't apologise for it either, we can still get along but do not expect me not to make fun of your life style choices just because you might get offended by that fact. If you can't handle that, or don't want to handle that, block me from the forum and discord and we'll never have to chat about it again.

If you feel it bleeds into my administration actions against you or someone else I would expect you to immediately lay a complaint and I would expect the head admins to deal with it extremely harshly. I would hope that I would never allow my personal opinions on things to colour an administrative enforcement against someone. even though I would privately complain amongst the admins if I felt a rule was biased or inconsistent (and publically if it comes up in a policy thread)

As I would expect people to make fun of me for spending all my spare time locked up in a room writing code for a 2d sprite game.
Last edited by oranges on Thu May 03, 2018 2:14 am, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
CitrusGender
In-Game Game Master
 
Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:34 pm
Byond Username: CitrusGender
Github Username: CitrusGender

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby CitrusGender » Thu May 03, 2018 2:12 am #406488

I suppose I should post my gut response. oranges is a great guy who treats everyone the same. He'll call out what he perceives to be your bullshit if he has a problem with it and he doesn't treat people differently (which is REALLY rare and something I can respect.) That's all fine and well but he feels like he doesn't have that much respect for conflicting viewpoints and he often (although jokingly) states he'll do stuff anyways even if you tell him not to. It hasn't resulted in a horrible incident yet, but I wonder if something worse will happen in the future. His in-game conduct is pretty professional though. I'm a bit conflict at the momment.
Image
thanks to ninjanomnom for making my signature

User avatar
Armhulen
In-Game Game Master
 
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm
Byond Username: Armhulenn
Github Username: it's a long story

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby Armhulen » Thu May 03, 2018 2:13 am #406489

Xhuis wrote:I disagree with your sentiment about getting along with people. Historically, anyone who has been here for some time can confirm that you have caused a lot of fighting and drama, directly or indirectly. I'm a little confused as to your view, especially given your seeming disdain for a pretty large section of our playerbase (anyone who supports mutantparts), but nevertheless. that's not my judgement to make.
Armhulen wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:he's like the incredibly tough parent who loves you but will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever admit it and will instead tell you he hates you as long as it motivates you to do better

promote

I feel like this, out of all the caring amazing people oranges is up there for the people who care about me doing well the most. He's a hateful old hag but behind that peel is oranges when he equips the dog with sunglasses on the beach avatar

As a headmin, I feel it's important in your shoes to take into consideration his very obvious spotty past among a lot of our players. Are there any non-personal reasons that you feel he would succeed as an admin despite what oranges has done in the past?

Sure, he's held the maintainer position for a very long time. He does an alright job in notes and bans, and his tickets are pretty fly. He knows how to find the issue.
Image

User avatar
oranges
Code Maintainer
 
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 pm
Location: #CHATSHITGETBANGED
Byond Username: Optimumtact
Github Username: optimumtact

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby oranges » Thu May 03, 2018 2:16 am #406490

CitrusGender wrote:That's all fine and well but he feels like he doesn't have that much respect for conflicting viewpoints and he often (although jokingly) states he'll do stuff anyways even if you tell him not to.


In general I don't, I am a very opinionated person and I stick to my guns, but at the same time I respect that there is a hierarchy and if a senior administrator overrules me, I'm going to respect that, even though I might complain or grumble and attempt to get things changed.

I don't see why I would need to be excellent at compromising, that's a headmin role, maybe something senior admins do.

People know where to go if they don't like a ruling I've made, they know who to contact to get my wrist slapped and we already know people are doing this.

Also it would kind of be a bit late to be picking on worrying behaviour if there was any at this point given I am a maintainer and have access to the remote server consoles.

I actually respect the institutions of /tg/ too much to let that happen.

Bear in mind I have struggled with this in the past and got demoted from maintainer several times, but I think I have moved on from that now.
Last edited by oranges on Thu May 03, 2018 2:21 am, edited 1 time in total.

PostThis post was deleted by CitrusGender on Thu May 03, 2018 2:19 am.
Reason: sorry sir but we will not check the boxes, please get away from my house!

PostThis post was deleted by CitrusGender on Thu May 03, 2018 2:20 am.
Reason: resposne to delete

PostThis post was deleted by CitrusGender on Thu May 03, 2018 2:20 am.
Reason: no

User avatar
ohnopigeons
 
Joined: Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:22 pm
Byond Username: Ohnopigeons
Github Username: ohnopigeons

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby ohnopigeons » Thu May 03, 2018 2:20 am #406495

I think his ideas and beliefs would be a good addition to the admin team, and I don't see him becoming a hypocrite.
Image

User avatar
Xhuis
Github User
 
Joined: Mon May 26, 2014 1:04 pm
Location: North Carolina
Byond Username: Xhuis
Github Username: Xhuis

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby Xhuis » Thu May 03, 2018 2:20 am #406496

Armhulen wrote:Sure, he's held the maintainer position for a very long time. He does an alright job in notes and bans, and his tickets are pretty fly. He knows how to find the issue.

You may have missed this, but oranges has been removed from his position multiple times in recent history due to very petty behavior (like chain-reverting a grammar PR he didn't like.) If you stand by your opinion in spite of that, then I can't change that.

optimumtact wrote:snip

If you will admit yourself that you dislike a large amount of the playerbase, why do you feel it is a good idea to administrate for them? Daturix has proven that having an inherent disdain for a type of player is enough to get you deadminned. Do you feel that you could do better?
I'm an ex-coder for /tg/. I made the original versions of clockcult, shadowlings, revenants, His Grace, and other stuff.
I don't play, code, or participate in the community, but I occasionally post dumb stuff in the hut.
Kraso wrote:hi gay

wubli wrote:xhuis you said you were feeling better but every thread you make makes me worry more about your sanity

ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone wrote:Sorry I was making fun of xhuis' """""compromise""""" who insisted that was the correct term to use.

CitrusGender wrote:We've ended up disabling clockcult on sybil and bagil now (terry is having some problems.) We will give Xhuis some time until he wishes to work upon it again. As of now, please use this thread for ideas and not for bickering.

wubli wrote:you are a cultist of the gay

IkeTG wrote:It's a reflection of humanity, like all of man's creation. You cannot divorce this act from yourself, in a way there's a big titty moth inside all of us.

wesoda25 wrote:yeah no one was curious what it was from. Imagine choosing being a degenerate as your forum gimmick, LOL

User avatar
oranges
Code Maintainer
 
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 pm
Location: #CHATSHITGETBANGED
Byond Username: Optimumtact
Github Username: optimumtact

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby oranges » Thu May 03, 2018 2:22 am #406497

If you think there are any parallels between me and Daturix I have no idea what to tell you, if you ask me, he was dishonest about what he really thought and it finally caught up with him.

I am becoming an administrator because I believe I can make /tg/ better, and I'm not going to let the fact there are parts of the meal I don't like personally get in the way of improving the parts of the meal I do like.

PostThis post was deleted by CitrusGender on Thu May 03, 2018 2:23 am.
Reason: sawrge

User avatar
CitrusGender
In-Game Game Master
 
Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:34 pm
Byond Username: CitrusGender
Github Username: CitrusGender

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby CitrusGender » Thu May 03, 2018 2:24 am #406499

Legitimately, the next shitpost I get in this thread will be put on post-approval.
Image
thanks to ninjanomnom for making my signature

User avatar
Xhuis
Github User
 
Joined: Mon May 26, 2014 1:04 pm
Location: North Carolina
Byond Username: Xhuis
Github Username: Xhuis

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby Xhuis » Thu May 03, 2018 2:29 am #406501

oranges wrote:If you think there are any parallels between me and Daturix I have no idea what to tell you, if you ask me, he was dishonest about what he really thought and it finally caught up with him.

I am becoming an administrator because I believe I can make /tg/ better, and I'm not going to let the fact there are parts of the meal I don't like personally get in the way of improving the parts of the meal I do like.

I'd like to cite the incident in January of this year, when catgirls were disabled suddenly on Bagil. Your rush to claim responsibility and make fun of the people offended caused an admintrainer at the time, sawrge, to bombard the server with meteors due to thinking you had been allowed free reign to disable them. You agitated a very large portion of the playerbase by doing that, taking clear pleasure in doing so, and didn't appear to show any remorse. What are your reasons for why I should trust you as an admin in spite of causing this?

Additionally, some time ago, you went onto the forums and Discord server of HippieStation and directed them all to the unofficial /tg/ Discord simply because you didn't like it or the people there, and wanted to cause them trouble. Do you feel as though you will show more restraint as an admin, and show consideration for the people you are adminning for?
I'm an ex-coder for /tg/. I made the original versions of clockcult, shadowlings, revenants, His Grace, and other stuff.
I don't play, code, or participate in the community, but I occasionally post dumb stuff in the hut.
Kraso wrote:hi gay

wubli wrote:xhuis you said you were feeling better but every thread you make makes me worry more about your sanity

ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone wrote:Sorry I was making fun of xhuis' """""compromise""""" who insisted that was the correct term to use.

CitrusGender wrote:We've ended up disabling clockcult on sybil and bagil now (terry is having some problems.) We will give Xhuis some time until he wishes to work upon it again. As of now, please use this thread for ideas and not for bickering.

wubli wrote:you are a cultist of the gay

IkeTG wrote:It's a reflection of humanity, like all of man's creation. You cannot divorce this act from yourself, in a way there's a big titty moth inside all of us.

wesoda25 wrote:yeah no one was curious what it was from. Imagine choosing being a degenerate as your forum gimmick, LOL

User avatar
oranges
Code Maintainer
 
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 pm
Location: #CHATSHITGETBANGED
Byond Username: Optimumtact
Github Username: optimumtact

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby oranges » Thu May 03, 2018 2:33 am #406503

Neither of those things have anything to do with my conduct as an administrator.

Swarge choose to fuck shit up on his own, without verifying by the channels that already exist. Yeah I took that opportunity to expose him and a few others as a bunch of whiney self entitled hypocrites and I'm pretty sure I succeeded wildly. But I didn't pull the trigger on his self destruction, he did.

The discord thing was funny to me and barely had any effect on the sligcord at all, before it also self destructed under the weight of the egos involved.
Last edited by oranges on Thu May 03, 2018 2:36 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Shadowflame909
 
Joined: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:18 pm
Location: Think about something witty and pretend I put it here
Byond Username: Shadowflame909

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby Shadowflame909 » Thu May 03, 2018 2:33 am #406504

They were a trialmin? I haven't really seen them around...

Spoiler:
Image

ThanatosRa wrote:My biggest problem is that I can't fix any of this.


Boris wrote:shadowflame either has a brain the size of a pea or one the size of the moon and he's playing 58D chess.


BeeSting12 wrote:please write an apology to this forums, this community, the host, and the internet as a whole for the data storage space you wasted with this complaint.


BebeYoshi wrote:Saltyflame909


Cobby wrote:The trash bin... have you lost your way home anon?

Doctor Pork
 
Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:31 pm
Location: Pennsylvania
Byond Username: Doctor_Pork

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby Doctor Pork » Thu May 03, 2018 2:35 am #406505

he has no style he has no grace promote to admin with great pace
oranges wrote:pork, the nondescript, commoner king, literally so stealth you could just your normal name in OOC and nobody would know, long may he reign as the secret commander

Image
Deitus wrote:If your signature is scrollable it's too long and fucking obnoxious and you should feel bad

Image
Link to my feedback thread. Go there.
PKPenguin321 wrote:I've been had by yet another tg boondoggle

User avatar
captain sawrge
 
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:13 pm
Byond Username: Sawrge

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby captain sawrge » Thu May 03, 2018 2:39 am #406506

I am a little uneasy about the stunt last week where he fakemerged the pet collar thing and drudged all that stupid drama up again. I don't know the reasoning but I can only imagine given his previous actions and his words ITT it was just to stir up shit with cat players.

It's unrelated to adminning but it sets a precedent. It's an oranges thing to do and it's not anything that surprised anyone when they saw who did it. He's been around long enough to know where the lines are and how close he can come to crossing them before it gets serious enough to warrant any serious ramifications.

I personally find it really annoying when people feel the need to keep driving that stake in to that part of the community and enforcing this stupid divide between players. It's really fucking tiring and annoying that every month there seems top be some new brand of drama over it, especially when people (in positions of power, no less) are actively engineering it.

I want to hope better of you in an admin position but I am a little worried it's just going to be a constant cycle of "when does oranges feel it's safe enough to do something stupid again and when do the headmins feel it's been long enough since the last time to forgive him."

e:
whiney self entitled hypocrites


Also telling and a little disappointing that that's how you see all this stupid nonsense.
Image

User avatar
Xhuis
Github User
 
Joined: Mon May 26, 2014 1:04 pm
Location: North Carolina
Byond Username: Xhuis
Github Username: Xhuis

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby Xhuis » Thu May 03, 2018 2:41 am #406508

oranges wrote:Neither of those things have anything to do with my conduct as an administrator.

I disagree. We're all human here, and I feel that peoples' natures extends into everything they do. There is no such thing as an unbiased judge, and that extends here, too. Your personal thoughts, feelings, opinions, and demeanor will invariably extend into how you administrate and view the people you administrate for. There are billions of people on the planet; you are not the one exception, nor are you the first to feel like you are. Human nature always triumphs; your turbulent history does affect your conduct, and even discounting it, you have admitted yourself that you are blunt and abrasive. It isn't possible to have two faces without one influencing the other; I feel that denying that is a red flag, and that it's important you recognize that your past history will influence your administration. If it didn't, why would I be bringing it up here, and others be bringing it up in community rooms?
I'm an ex-coder for /tg/. I made the original versions of clockcult, shadowlings, revenants, His Grace, and other stuff.
I don't play, code, or participate in the community, but I occasionally post dumb stuff in the hut.
Kraso wrote:hi gay

wubli wrote:xhuis you said you were feeling better but every thread you make makes me worry more about your sanity

ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone wrote:Sorry I was making fun of xhuis' """""compromise""""" who insisted that was the correct term to use.

CitrusGender wrote:We've ended up disabling clockcult on sybil and bagil now (terry is having some problems.) We will give Xhuis some time until he wishes to work upon it again. As of now, please use this thread for ideas and not for bickering.

wubli wrote:you are a cultist of the gay

IkeTG wrote:It's a reflection of humanity, like all of man's creation. You cannot divorce this act from yourself, in a way there's a big titty moth inside all of us.

wesoda25 wrote:yeah no one was curious what it was from. Imagine choosing being a degenerate as your forum gimmick, LOL

User avatar
oranges
Code Maintainer
 
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 pm
Location: #CHATSHITGETBANGED
Byond Username: Optimumtact
Github Username: optimumtact

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby oranges » Thu May 03, 2018 2:43 am #406510

captain sawrge wrote:"when does oranges feel it's safe enough to do something stupid again and when do the headmins feel it's been long enough since the last time to forgive him."

Right, as opposed to you doing all your stupid shit at once and then finding yourself on the other side of the door

It's okay to have fun in the job, as long as you keep it limited and that's exactly what I do.

User avatar
captain sawrge
 
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:13 pm
Byond Username: Sawrge

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby captain sawrge » Thu May 03, 2018 2:44 am #406511

oranges wrote:
captain sawrge wrote:"when does oranges feel it's safe enough to do something stupid again and when do the headmins feel it's been long enough since the last time to forgive him."

Right, as opposed to you doing all your stupid shit at once and then finding yourself on the other side of the door

It's okay to have fun in the job, as long as you keep it limited and that's exactly what I do.

Is that all you got out of that post or should I keep probing
Image

User avatar
captain sawrge
 
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:13 pm
Byond Username: Sawrge

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby captain sawrge » Thu May 03, 2018 2:44 am #406512

Don't see my name in the topic title btw.
Image

User avatar
oranges
Code Maintainer
 
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 pm
Location: #CHATSHITGETBANGED
Byond Username: Optimumtact
Github Username: optimumtact

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby oranges » Thu May 03, 2018 2:46 am #406513

Xhuis wrote:
oranges wrote:Neither of those things have anything to do with my conduct as an administrator.

I disagree. We're all human here, and I feel that peoples' natures extends into everything they do. There is no such thing as an unbiased judge, and that extends here, too. Your personal thoughts, feelings, opinions, and demeanor will invariably extend into how you administrate and view the people you administrate for.

If it did, then surely you would hvae some concrete examples of where I have conducted myself in a biased manner with someone based on their character instead of the content of their ahelp?

Xhuis wrote:you have admitted yourself that you are blunt and abrasive. It isn't possible to have two faces without one influencing the other; I feel that denying that is a red flag, and that it's important you recognize that your past history will influence your administration. If it didn't, why would I be bringing it up here, and others be bringing it up in community rooms?

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here, I will be blunt and somewhat abrasive as an admin, if you chat shit to me you can expect to get return served. I have never denied that, I just said it wouldn't affect my ability to administrate fairly, which is exactly what we should demand.

User avatar
oranges
Code Maintainer
 
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 pm
Location: #CHATSHITGETBANGED
Byond Username: Optimumtact
Github Username: optimumtact

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby oranges » Thu May 03, 2018 2:48 am #406514

captain sawrge wrote:
oranges wrote:
captain sawrge wrote:"when does oranges feel it's safe enough to do something stupid again and when do the headmins feel it's been long enough since the last time to forgive him."

Right, as opposed to you doing all your stupid shit at once and then finding yourself on the other side of the door

It's okay to have fun in the job, as long as you keep it limited and that's exactly what I do.

Is that all you got out of that post or should I keep probing

All else you said is you don't think it's fair for me to complain about catgirls and lizards and to constantly raise the issue.

I think it's totally fair to be honest about what I want and what I don't like, especially as someone who has such a deep and involved hand in directing the future of this game and I intend to keep going until I realise nobody is listening and give up or people listen and change their minds.

User avatar
captain sawrge
 
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:13 pm
Byond Username: Sawrge

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby captain sawrge » Thu May 03, 2018 2:49 am #406515

oranges wrote:
captain sawrge wrote:
oranges wrote:
captain sawrge wrote:"when does oranges feel it's safe enough to do something stupid again and when do the headmins feel it's been long enough since the last time to forgive him."

Right, as opposed to you doing all your stupid shit at once and then finding yourself on the other side of the door

It's okay to have fun in the job, as long as you keep it limited and that's exactly what I do.

Is that all you got out of that post or should I keep probing

All else you said is you don't think it's fair for me to complain about catgirls and lizards and to constantly raise the issue.

I think it's totally fair to be honest about what I want and what I don't like, especially as someone who has such a deep and involved hand in directing the future of this game and I intend to keep going until I realise nobody is listening and give up or people listen and change their minds.

That's not what I said at all, try again please!
Image

User avatar
oranges
Code Maintainer
 
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 pm
Location: #CHATSHITGETBANGED
Byond Username: Optimumtact
Github Username: optimumtact

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby oranges » Thu May 03, 2018 2:49 am #406516

captain sawrge wrote:Don't see my name in the topic title btw.

If you post in this thread you're inviting return comment and criticism, especially when you criticise me for doing things that you yourself have done, badly and repeatedly.

User avatar
oranges
Code Maintainer
 
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 pm
Location: #CHATSHITGETBANGED
Byond Username: Optimumtact
Github Username: optimumtact

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby oranges » Thu May 03, 2018 2:50 am #406517

captain sawrge wrote:That's not what I said at all, try again please!

Then you'll need to be clearer with what you're trying to say, because that's all I'm picking up.

User avatar
captain sawrge
 
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:13 pm
Byond Username: Sawrge

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby captain sawrge » Thu May 03, 2018 2:52 am #406518

captain sawrge wrote:I am a little uneasy about the stunt last week where he fakemerged the pet collar thing and drudged all that stupid drama up again. I don't know the reasoning but I can only imagine given his previous actions and his words ITT it was just to stir up shit with cat players.

I personally find it really annoying when people feel the need to keep driving that stake in to that part of the community and enforcing this stupid divide between players. It's really fucking tiring and annoying that every month there seems top be some new brand of drama over it, especially when people (in positions of power, no less) are actively engineering it.

There's a marked difference between raising an issue and actively engineering drama and outrage to try to prove your point, at least in this gamer's humble opinion.
Image

User avatar
Shadowflame909
 
Joined: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:18 pm
Location: Think about something witty and pretend I put it here
Byond Username: Shadowflame909

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby Shadowflame909 » Thu May 03, 2018 2:53 am #406519

I have to agree with xhuis, Optimumtact isn't the nicest and most approachable person. Although, I don't think being nice is any factor in adminning skills as all admins have to do is enforce the rules. But, they aren't really active for a trialmin either... Edit: But I can't say any game admins have an extreme amount of connections other then nabski..
Last edited by Shadowflame909 on Thu May 03, 2018 2:55 am, edited 1 time in total.

Spoiler:
Image

ThanatosRa wrote:My biggest problem is that I can't fix any of this.


Boris wrote:shadowflame either has a brain the size of a pea or one the size of the moon and he's playing 58D chess.


BeeSting12 wrote:please write an apology to this forums, this community, the host, and the internet as a whole for the data storage space you wasted with this complaint.


BebeYoshi wrote:Saltyflame909


Cobby wrote:The trash bin... have you lost your way home anon?

User avatar
Xhuis
Github User
 
Joined: Mon May 26, 2014 1:04 pm
Location: North Carolina
Byond Username: Xhuis
Github Username: Xhuis

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby Xhuis » Thu May 03, 2018 2:54 am #406520

If it did, then surely you would hvae some concrete examples of where I have conducted myself in a biased manner with someone based on their character instead of the content of their ahelp?

I can't provide this, as admin logs are not public to me.
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here, I will be blunt and somewhat abrasive as an admin, if you chat shit to me you can expect to get return served. I have never denied that, I just said it wouldn't affect my ability to administrate fairly, which is exactly what we should demand.



You say, this, but in earlier posts in this thread you stated:
"I'm not going to let the fact there are parts of the meal I don't like personally get in the way of improving the parts of the meal I do like."

and
"It's okay to have fun in the job, as long as you keep it limited and that's exactly what I do."


I think that these statements reflect that it will affect your ability to administrate fairly. I feel that this thought isn't unjustified, given your colorful history and feelings on a lot of players here, as well as the way you have treated them, and it tells me that you view repeated slights against them as "just having fun."

Furthermore:
"I don't see why I would need to be excellent at compromising, that's a headmin role, maybe something senior admins do."

Compromise and agreement is a very important factor to being an admin. If you could name one admin in recent history who has begun their gameadmin status as being difficult to talk to and compromise with that has made it more than half a year, I will gladly retract that.

All these things are slightly worrying for me to see. You're contradicting yourself on your statements, and in my eyes, haven't shown any remorse for causing a great deal of strife to a great deal of people, nor do you appear to have any qualms about doing so in the future.
I'm an ex-coder for /tg/. I made the original versions of clockcult, shadowlings, revenants, His Grace, and other stuff.
I don't play, code, or participate in the community, but I occasionally post dumb stuff in the hut.
Kraso wrote:hi gay

wubli wrote:xhuis you said you were feeling better but every thread you make makes me worry more about your sanity

ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone wrote:Sorry I was making fun of xhuis' """""compromise""""" who insisted that was the correct term to use.

CitrusGender wrote:We've ended up disabling clockcult on sybil and bagil now (terry is having some problems.) We will give Xhuis some time until he wishes to work upon it again. As of now, please use this thread for ideas and not for bickering.

wubli wrote:you are a cultist of the gay

IkeTG wrote:It's a reflection of humanity, like all of man's creation. You cannot divorce this act from yourself, in a way there's a big titty moth inside all of us.

wesoda25 wrote:yeah no one was curious what it was from. Imagine choosing being a degenerate as your forum gimmick, LOL

onleavedontatme
 
Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:26 pm
Byond Username: KorPhaeron

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby onleavedontatme » Thu May 03, 2018 3:07 am #406523

Powerful force for good. Incredibly hard working and never afraid to speak truth to power (or anyone else who needs to hear it).

Can't overstate how important he has been to the codebase and /tg/ as a whole.

I know he trolls sometimes but he's got a strong moral compass and will have peoples backs when it matters.

More specifically to adminning, he quit last time he felt he was going to abuse it because he was getting sick of it, which is probably the most important judgement we need admins to be able to make.

User avatar
Xhuis
Github User
 
Joined: Mon May 26, 2014 1:04 pm
Location: North Carolina
Byond Username: Xhuis
Github Username: Xhuis

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby Xhuis » Thu May 03, 2018 3:09 am #406524

Kor wrote:Powerful force for good. Incredibly hard working and never afraid to speak truth to power (or anyone else who needs to hear it).

Can't overstate how important he has been to the codebase and /tg/ as a whole.

I know he trolls sometimes but he's got a strong moral compass and will have peoples backs when it matters.

More specifically to adminning, he quit last time he felt he was going to abuse it because he was getting sick of it, which is probably the most important judgement we need admins to be able to make.

I won't ever deny how much he has been for the server with regards to code and backend, but I can't agree with you about his compass. You understate his past as "trolling sometimes," when I think it's very clear that it goes deeper than that. Oranges has historically not cared who he hurts when he plays his little jokes, and you not seeing this kind of shocks me.
I'm an ex-coder for /tg/. I made the original versions of clockcult, shadowlings, revenants, His Grace, and other stuff.
I don't play, code, or participate in the community, but I occasionally post dumb stuff in the hut.
Kraso wrote:hi gay

wubli wrote:xhuis you said you were feeling better but every thread you make makes me worry more about your sanity

ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone wrote:Sorry I was making fun of xhuis' """""compromise""""" who insisted that was the correct term to use.

CitrusGender wrote:We've ended up disabling clockcult on sybil and bagil now (terry is having some problems.) We will give Xhuis some time until he wishes to work upon it again. As of now, please use this thread for ideas and not for bickering.

wubli wrote:you are a cultist of the gay

IkeTG wrote:It's a reflection of humanity, like all of man's creation. You cannot divorce this act from yourself, in a way there's a big titty moth inside all of us.

wesoda25 wrote:yeah no one was curious what it was from. Imagine choosing being a degenerate as your forum gimmick, LOL

User avatar
Shadowflame909
 
Joined: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:18 pm
Location: Think about something witty and pretend I put it here
Byond Username: Shadowflame909

Re: Trialmin Review: Optimumtact

Postby Shadowflame909 » Thu May 03, 2018 3:16 am #406526

If there's one thing I can say about oranges, they are very outspoken and blunt. I wish more admins had that level of honesty because you can actually know what someone's feelings are on things. You can also share that same level of honesty with Oranges, without pulling any punches.

Spoiler:
Image

ThanatosRa wrote:My biggest problem is that I can't fix any of this.


Boris wrote:shadowflame either has a brain the size of a pea or one the size of the moon and he's playing 58D chess.


BeeSting12 wrote:please write an apology to this forums, this community, the host, and the internet as a whole for the data storage space you wasted with this complaint.


BebeYoshi wrote:Saltyflame909


Cobby wrote:The trash bin... have you lost your way home anon?

Next

Return to Town Hall

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users