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1. active maintainer for a really long time and done great work. Sure he did the star wars spoiler but countless code reviews, bug fixes and all that good stuff outweighs a movie meme tbh
2. ran singulo/file.house for people, just shows investment into the community to make it more engaging
3. how is disliking cats or lizards wrong if you don't do anything. I know like tons of people with this opinion in this community, what the fuck? There's always been this big debate of "FETISH CONTENT" vs "GET UR FETISH SHIT OUT OF MY GAME" and oranges isn't the first participant nor is he the most malicious about it (c; sup sawrge)
4. Xhuis has mentioned a few times in this thread about oranges' bias/whatever going to get in the way of adminning and when oranges asked about it, xhuis simply stated he did not have admin logs, which... what the fuck? Game logs provide more than enough evidence of admins doing actions in game, this is a bad argument and you should feel bad. If he has never done anything wrong, and you can't find instances of him doing wrong doing, you can't chop it up to not having access to admin logs, logs are available, there's just no crime here.
5. good time zone, we are constantly needing admins in these odd time zones. I myself sometimes see ausops when I'm on west coast 1-3am block and there's zero admins awake or anywhere usually. He's a solid man for the job and timezone is great, this is simply a pro to add to the list, although some people might not think much of it
6. Good admin, I've seen him answer adminhelps in game and its as straight forward customer representative as you can be. He's been blowing people the fuck outta this thread left and right with his great admin conduct, the only thing people can seem to reference is anything except his admin conduct. I know community interaction matters but I'd rather have a good admin and a blunt dude in the community (not to mention all the great code related things he's done) over a really bad admin but he's nice when he's not making bad bans or badminning events or something I guess?
7. oranges is my friend so im biased but also, I've had drama with him in the past where a pr of mine got closed or something and we exchanged harsh words but then later got over it because who cares? Then he went back to being the meme coding machine he is, and back them banters and good memes
8. everything kor said

Kor wrote:Powerful force for good. Incredibly hard working and never afraid to speak truth to power (or anyone else who needs to hear it).

Can't overstate how important he has been to the codebase and /tg/ as a whole.

I know he trolls sometimes but he's got a strong moral compass and will have peoples backs when it matters.

More specifically to adminning, he quit last time he felt he was going to abuse it because he was getting sick of it, which is probably the most important judgement we need admins to be able to make.

NikNakFlak wrote: how is disliking cats or lizards wrong if you don't do anything. I know like tons of people with this opinion in this community, what the fuck? There's always been this big debate of "FETISH CONTENT" vs "GET UR FETISH SHIT OUT OF MY GAME" and oranges isn't the first participant nor is he the most malicious about it (c; sup sawrge)

NikNakFlak wrote: Xhuis has mentioned a few times in this thread about oranges' bias/whatever going to get in the way of adminning and when oranges asked about it, xhuis simply stated he did not have admin logs, which... what the fuck? Game logs provide more than enough evidence of admins doing actions in game, this is a bad argument and you should feel bad. If he has never done anything wrong, and you can't find instances of him doing wrong doing, you can't chop it up to not having access to admin logs, logs are available, there's just no crime here.

Nabski wrote:Since people are talking about logs, I start trolling looking until I found him in game.

gave forcewall&mimewall (assuming thunderdome)

ohnopigeons wrote:Logs and server time are in UTC, 8:00 translates to 4AM EDT which falls comfortably in the range of dead odd timezones.

ColonicAcid wrote: you did not actually answer the question about whether or not youre divisive,

oranges wrote:

ColonicAcid wrote: you did not actually answer the question about whether or not youre divisive,

I'm not

edit:Kor laughed at me for posting this so let me expand
I make my opinion clear and I argue strongly my point
That isn't divisive, that's how change happens

Without change we're stagnant, and if we're stagnant this community is dead

As someone who has been around for a very long time, I feel that you should know more than anyone that oranges' behavior in general is a concern. I'm not going to logdive to get logs that will be passed off anyways, and I'm not concerned with a trial period that nobody to date has failed outright during review. I'm concerned that his demeanor and behavior will influence how he admins once he has free reign, and all of his actions in past four months encourage me to continue doing so as I have for the past several years. I do see that he cares about the server, and I'm never going to deny how much he's done for the community and code, but his behavior doesn't strike me as something we look for in admins.

I had a brief candidation period cancelled by Armhulen for a single mishap. I've coded for going on perhaps four years now. Why should he get a pass where I don't? Do see you see why I'm concerned here? Oranges has done worse things than me, more often, and more consistently, and yet is given free pass after free pass no matter how many people he hurts.

Sometinyprick wrote:

As someone who has been around for a very long time, I feel that you should know more than anyone that oranges' behavior in general is a concern. I'm not going to logdive to get logs that will be passed off anyways, and I'm not concerned with a trial period that nobody to date has failed outright during review. I'm concerned that his demeanor and behavior will influence how he admins once he has free reign, and all of his actions in past four months encourage me to continue doing so as I have for the past several years. I do see that he cares about the server, and I'm never going to deny how much he's done for the community and code, but his behavior doesn't strike me as something we look for in admins.

I had a brief candidation period cancelled by Armhulen for a single mishap. I've coded for going on perhaps four years now. Why should he get a pass where I don't? Do see you see why I'm concerned here? Oranges has done worse things than me, more often, and more consistently, and yet is given free pass after free pass no matter how many people he hurts.

Oranges has been here seven years, throughout that entire time I've never seen him be maliciously bad to anyone (for the six years I've been here anyway), and I've also seen him intervene in serious matters for example the whole vio thing and conduct himself extremely well. I feel like he is probably one of the few people on the server that can be trusted to handle sensitive matters in a impartial way.

Xhuis wrote: In that time, you really haven't seen him act out in any way that inspires worry? Earlier this year, or before that, by spoiling TLJ through PR titles?

imblyings wrote:someone who's spent years contributing time, money, promote Oranges

Qbopper wrote:my post doesn't matter though because he has acted this way for a long time and gets away with it through a combo of technical usefulness and nobody wanting to do anything about it so i'm sure he'll get fullmin and continue to go through the cycle of doing things that are helpful/whatever and then ramping up how much shit he does until it gets near breaking point, then he'll apologize (or not) and repeat

Bob Dobbington wrote:Vote promote.
Yes, oranges is an asshole, but he's the citrus we deserve, and he cares more and has more knowledge than any three game admins. In addition, oranges will be under greater scrutiny and tighter oversight once he joins the admin team than he ever was on the code side. He'll be answerable to headmins and to MSO and to the admin complaints and ban appeals process. The antipodean TZ coverage and the deep familiarity with /tg/code generally are just bonuses. If you people want to rein Oranges in the easiest way is to make it possible to write an admin complaint about him so that your complaints can go through the years-old established process we have for ignoring resolving them. Extending him would serve no purpose, he knows everything he needs to know, and making him full admin would accomplish most of what the naysayers and dreamslayers want anyway, which is a forum for their bitching constructive criticism so that it can be acted upon.

Yakumo_Chen wrote: -Speedmerging things he PR'd himself in 5 minutes just because someone challenges him that he can't doesn't convince me he can be even tempered or fair, not to mention shows he has absolutely no consideration for the rules.

Yakumo Chen wrote: -Ran a gross vore-based event a few days ago and told people who wanted to opt out of the gross fetish pandering to "deal with it"

Qbopper wrote:-intentionally divisive and abrasive under the guise of "tough love"

Qbopper wrote:-disrespectful of other users and admins when it pleases him

Qbopper wrote:-known to ignore the rules that admins are trying to uphold

Qbopper wrote:-known to have a history of abusing power for whatever reason (see: half the shit he does as a maintainer)

iamgoofball wrote:I think that if the community is getting "divided" because a guy fake merged a few PRs that had jokes about cat people, we should be looking at whether the people stirring shit by screaming about a non-existent divide should be looked at, not the guy who poked fun at some nerds who got too worked up about their virtual tail(literally)

captain sawrge wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:I think that if the community is getting "divided" because a guy fake merged a few PRs that had jokes about cat people, we should be looking at whether the people stirring shit by screaming about a non-existent divide should be looked at, not the guy who poked fun at some nerds who got too worked up about their virtual tail(literally)

>People are being targeted and singled out by someone that holds a significant level of power in the community
>Well maybe they should stop being targets they're the real ones to blame here

lol

iamgoofball wrote:

captain sawrge wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:I think that if the community is getting "divided" because a guy fake merged a few PRs that had jokes about cat people, we should be looking at whether the people stirring shit by screaming about a non-existent divide should be looked at, not the guy who poked fun at some nerds who got too worked up about their virtual tail(literally)

>People are being targeted and singled out by someone that holds a significant level of power in the community
>Well maybe they should stop being targets they're the real ones to blame here

lol

Fake merging a meme PR is not "targeting and singling out".

You are making a big deal out of nothing. Really makes you think about your intentions.

inb4 "its not about me "

captain sawrge wrote:oranges has these moments where he's friendly and great, most of the time he's just kind of abrasive and acts out to get a rise out of people, and then there's times where he acts like a complete and total shithead and seems to just go out of his way to ruin things, take cheap shots at people, and generally act like a huge miserable cunt.

I'm sure he'd be a great admin sometimes, a decent admin most of the time, and then we get to the times where he gets moody and he does something stupid and destructive.

Maybe the former is enough to overlook the latter. I just think it's shitty whenever he's in a mood and re-kindles this specific fire because we've watched the catpeople drama episode so many times I'm ready to throw my TV out onto the front lawn.

Mickyan wrote:There's a fine line between being blunt and being rude and in my short time being active here lately I don't think I've ever seen him manage to disagree with someone without being excessively dismissive and hostile, it doesn't set a good example for players and no doubt it's going to cause issues at some point in the future

One could hope he might change his ways but he seems more preoccupied with defending his bad attitude than taking feedback at heart

Shezza wrote:I wish I had anything nice to say here.

Gouty wrote:

oranges wrote:I investigated your issue, resolved it and rejected your follow up ahelps, you then made a complaint, had your complaint denied and apparently continue to hold a grudge about it.

I wasn't talking about the complaint. In the complaint I said you did not intervene when someone was breaking the rules, like you said it was denied.

This was the same incident but HOW you handled it, something I did not mention in the complaint but is relevant now, and is also the major concern that people seem to have with you. If you want to dismiss it and believe that's down to some bias grudge and not legitimate feedback (the purpose of this thread) then that's down to you.

ColonicAcid wrote:>being rude and blunt is the best way to get thru to people.


This is called social retardation.

ColonicAcid wrote: Basically youre the interney version of a little dickweed who says "no offense" before he offends someone. You see its kinda disingenuous to say you're only saying the truth because you're not. You don't really care about the truth, you care about making people feel bad.

ColonicAcid wrote:He has LITERALLY said that when he stops giving a shit due to fatigue he'll go haywire and fuck shit up