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Kraso wrote:>tfw you can't find an argument solid enough that you have to rely on "its le admin who spawned meteors"

redditors truly are scum

only a redditor would think a bunch of ad hominem, 2 giant images, and "dont @ me" needs to be taken seriously

Kraso wrote:>tfw you can't find an argument solid enough that you have to rely on "its le admin who spawned meteors"

redditors truly are scum

i think you skipped over this part:

captain sawrge wrote:fucking baby.

This is coming from the guy who had an autistic meltdown over catpeople being disabled and abused his admin powers to blow up the station, and got nothing but a slap on the wrist for it.

it's the best bit
PS:expect another poll soonish, headadmins are opposed to a full removal and I'm oppossed to just configuring htem on one server, so we've come up with a range of options that we're just finishing deciding on.

obscolene wrote:

captain sawrge wrote:fucking baby.

This is coming from the guy who had an autistic meltdown over catpeople being disabled and abused his admin powers to blow up the station, and got nothing but a slap on the wrist for it.

point being?

This is of course assuming that ruining a single round of 50-70 players is comparable to removing something so that, regardless of round, you can no longer use it.

I wish people such as yourself could argue the creativity-hollow nature of catgirls instead of "heh meteor guy having an opinion". You'd do """"our side"""" much more of a service without creating such divisiveness, unless of course that's your intention.

t. person who thinks catgirls should be removed in favor of traditional table-top rpg races (space dwarves/elves/etc.)

No not tauren I only play humanoids

obscolene wrote: This is coming from the guy who had an autistic meltdown over catpeople being disabled and abused his admin powers to blow up the station, and got nothing but a slap on the wrist for it.

In the last 2 months at least 10+ rounds have been ended due to admins meteor spamming until the station doesn't exist anymore

sawrge did one round and it was the only time he's even spawned meteors

if he did it for fun and without meaning he wouldn't have even been questioned

He explicitly said he did it because he disliked uncatalogued config changes that go against the wishes of the server(2 votes to keep cats in at that point with mso removing them from bagil and oranges pretending as if he had told mso to remove them)

If he got anything more than a slap on the wrist for ruining a round then everyone with powers right now would genuinely be deadminned or at least serving months-years of bans. This includes mso, the few maintainers with admin powers, and even a few trialmins

The ban was ceremonial and bad and was only used to appease redditors such as yourself who were bitching and moaning about their dreaded antagonist rolls and 30 minutes being flushed down the toilet

stupid feral inbred ape dog

learn to speak when you are spoken to

Karp wrote: In the last 2 months at least 10+ rounds have been ended due to admins meteor spamming until the station doesn't exist anymore

Which admins and what was the headmins reasoning for not acting on it?

Karp wrote:stupid feral inbred ape dog

learn to speak when you are spoken to

ad-hominem, post disregarded

Karp wrote:

obscolene wrote: This is coming from the guy who had an autistic meltdown over catpeople being disabled and abused his admin powers to blow up the station, and got nothing but a slap on the wrist for it.

In the last 2 months at least 10+ rounds have been ended due to admins meteor spamming until the station doesn't exist anymore

sawrge did one round and it was the only time he's even spawned meteors

if he did it for fun and without meaning he wouldn't have even been questioned

He explicitly said he did it because he disliked uncatalogued config changes that go against the wishes of the server(2 votes to keep cats in at that point with mso removing them from bagil and oranges pretending as if he had told mso to remove them)

If he got anything more than a slap on the wrist for ruining a round then everyone with powers right now would genuinely be deadminned or at least serving months-years of bans. This includes mso, the few maintainers with admin powers, and even a few trialmins

The ban was ceremonial and bad and was only used to appease redditors such as yourself who were bitching and moaning about their dreaded antagonist rolls and 30 minutes being flushed down the toilet

stupid feral inbred ape dog

learn to speak when you are spoken to

it's the hypocrisy of calling someone else a baby, not that he did it, although he was rightfully told to jog on for doing so

Karp wrote:If he got anything more than a slap on the wrist for ruining a round then everyone with powers right now would genuinely be deadminned or at least serving months-years of bans. This includes mso, the few maintainers with admin powers, and even a few trialmins

not to mention lzimann got off scott free for the rest of his term because the other two headmins were incredibly passive and just let him do what-fucking-ever

but.. but aren't both parties literally happy if we just segment where the catpeople can go? Like if 50% hate them, then 50% can play on the server without them, and 50% can stay on bagil and that other server that I think we have

like, what's the downside to this besides REEEEEEEEEE MUH CODEBASE HAS CATGIRLS?

t. plasmeme main

lmwevil wrote:but.. but aren't both parties literally happy if we just segment where the catpeople can go? Like if 50% hate them, then 50% can play on the server without them, and 50% can stay on bagil and that other server that I think we have

like, what's the downside to this besides REEEEEEEEEE MUH CODEBASE HAS CATGIRLS?

t. plasmeme main

somebody likes something I don't like don't you see

this injustice will not stand

Rustledjimm wrote:Last term we unified the configs and now it's been reverted.
reeeee

Also imagine causing this much drama over a few pixels.

I think my compromise is a good one. Catpeople get removed in return for goofballs martyrdom and he never touches /tg/ again. It's a good trade.

This. He’s cancer. He pulls code that has issues and then basically laughs at everyone. Instigates most of this shit. What’s sad is I know people that left this game who were long time Sybil players when cat people got removed. People intending to return when things in their life got less hectic.

Now they have no reason to return.

“But there’s always bagil.”

There are MASSIVE differences between playing on Bagil vs Sybil and vice versa. Further. I think the vote is rigged. An hour is too short. Think of how easy it is to just create an account or have burners that join a game and AFK for an hour. I see braindead/comatose people all the time. If FIVE people that voted no did that. You’d have a different outcome on the vote.

Snuffleupagus wrote:Further. I think the vote is rigged. An hour is too short. Think of how easy it is to just create an account or have burners that join a game and AFK for an hour. I see braindead/comatose people all the time. If FIVE people that voted no did that. You’d have a different outcome on the vote.

the filter was set up to disregard accounts created after the poll though, they'd need to have advance knowledge that a poll was gonna be made and join the game accordingly before the deadline

damn we'll miss them

Screemonster wrote:

Snuffleupagus wrote:Further. I think the vote is rigged. An hour is too short. Think of how easy it is to just create an account or have burners that join a game and AFK for an hour. I see braindead/comatose people all the time. If FIVE people that voted no did that. You’d have a different outcome on the vote.

the filter was set up to disregard accounts created after the poll though, they'd need to have advance knowledge that a poll was gonna be made and join the game accordingly before the deadline

Look at the people stirring up drama over this. These are people that have been banned. Are known for shittery and could have easily had more accounts on the back burner. I’m not saying it’s decisive brigading. But it’s possible someone could see the vote. Perhaps a coder that has an agenda.

What were the numbers like for previous polls?

oranges wrote:damn we'll miss them

And that’s a pretty shit mentality to have towards any decision you make that ALIENATES a group of people. It’s shit like this that kills communities and drives people away. Legitimately. Your job should be about adding things conducive to the environment. Not telling people GTFO.

rip /tg/ killed by catgirls

Snuffleupagus wrote:Look at the people stirring up drama over this. These are people that have been banned. Are known for shittery and could have easily had more accounts on the back burner. I’m not saying it’s decisive brigading.

You mean.. like you?

this thread is really gay and im not sure its worth moderating rather than just locking

make a hut thread to scream in

Because new information has come to light, I've cleaned up this thread a touch and will be unlocking it.

The filter used to filter the results was pretty incorrect.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 43#p446943 for more details.

the result will likely be the same, a new vote will be made.

I still remember when I added cat people back to sybil and nobody really cared. The two server solution will not hold and I've come to find out that the side that preserving the status quo often leads to the best results. It doesn't make sense to keep them on one server and not another since the "part of the community" that likes cat girls is not located on bagil, nor is the "part that dislikes catgirls" located on sybil. You're going to create an artificial divide and put a rift in the servers for no reason.

Perhaps it's just my personal opinion, but I don't think the overall hatred of catgirls is anything more than a backlash at the prominence of some figures in our community that really make them look bad. I think the "votes against catgirls" are not really so much votes against them in the game but more votes against the extremely in your face nature of some characters in this community.

I don't really see the big deal over a few pixels.

like citrus said, catgirls are a smokescreen for "i do not like specific people"

it's moronic and honestly the people who rally the hardest against them, frankly, don't fucking play

like, sorry goof/etc., but "you don't play" is entirely a valid criticism - it'll fucking work against me if you use it and i'll be quiet, because people who do not play the game should hold no bearing over the game, OR the community, and that's the real kicker to me

off topic to cats, but relevant as a whole imo: also if you're shitting on sawrge for getting pissed off at something and mashing buttons and ruining a round like that equates to misleading people w/ a vote and removing a feature from the codebase ostensibly for good then i don't know what to say beyond that's a bad faith argument

why don't you just say my name, instead of pretending

oranges wrote:it is utterly spineless to ignore this result and I will not do it

it only took you a few hours do to a 180


utterly spineless

Don't worry I'm not ignoring the result

MrStonedOne wrote:Because new information has come to light, I've cleaned up this thread a touch and will be unlocking it.

The filter used to filter the results was pretty incorrect.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 43#p446943 for more details.

the result will likely be the same, a new vote will be made.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

In the hut:
>"well remove won so we have to full remove"
>"no compromise since remove is the majority"
>filter was wrong
>keep won

Place your bets now, how long will it be until people that argued that one vote is enough make a u-turn?

CitrusGender wrote:Perhaps it's just my personal opinion, but I don't think the overall hatred of catgirls is anything more than a backlash at the prominence of some figures in our community that really make them look bad. I think the "votes against catgirls" are not really so much votes against them in the game but more votes against the extremely in your face nature of some characters in this community.

I don't really see the big deal over a few pixels.

This, catpeople in the game aren't actually fetishy at all, it's just that people post lewds on discord etc and people associate them with catpeople in the game.
It is still kind of a low-effort race, but the amount of hate is absurd.

Fuck it, I'm not even going to argue about removal. I think that removing cats from sybil is an insultingly poor choice, but I can see why it was done. in the past cats weren't on sybil, and anyone who isn't very new probably remembers that. Why're we going back to the exact same situation as before if it was decided against earlier (by pro cat players)? Because they really don't give a shit about what's better in general. Bagil originally had cats added as some form of incentive to go to what was at the time basil, since it was always extreme lowpop. Now sybil is the less popular server. Logically it should be the one forced to have cats, right? Well, Arianya doesn't give a shit, because all they care about is that they can keep their cats and not make any changes to their preference whatsoever. They just want the server that they already hardly play on to take the hit so that they can relax as if nothing ever happened while trying to shut up complaints. This is insulting at best. I'm not even going to argue on their removal. I've always liked sybil, and I think I hate cats much more than most here. I still think that it's stupid that we go full fucking circle instead of making the logically superior choice because Arianya is too lazy to server hop.
Welp, enjoy the new copypasta I guess.

confused rock wrote:Fuck it, I'm not even going to argue about removal. I think that removing cats from sybil is an insultingly poor choice, but I can see why it was done. in the past cats weren't on sybil, and anyone who isn't very new probably remembers that. Why're we going back to the exact same situation as before if it was decided against earlier (by pro cat players)? Because they really don't give a shit about what's better in general. Bagil originally had cats added as some form of incentive to go to what was at the time basil, since it was always extreme lowpop. Now sybil is the less popular server. Logically it should be the one forced to have cats, right? Well, Arianya doesn't give a shit, because all they care about is that they can keep their cats and not make any changes to their preference whatsoever. They just want the server that they already hardly play on to take the hit so that they can relax as if nothing ever happened while trying to shut up complaints. This is insulting at best. I'm not even going to argue on their removal. I've always liked sybil, and I think I hate cats much more than most here. I still think that it's stupid that we go full fucking circle instead of making the logically superior choice because Arianya is too lazy to server hop.
Welp, enjoy the new copypasta I guess.

Isn't Bagil more popular because it's on the hub?

Discussions over, the poll has been corrected.

I disagree. One way or the other, this is a major issue of contention irrespective of if one side got a few more votes than the other. Saying we should ignore the issue because the 'keep catpeople in' vote got a few more hits is just as bad as those stating the opposite.

One thing I do believe is that I've never seen such a controversial feature remain in game for as long as this has in the history of tgstation. Other highly controversial things have been significantly reworked or just removed yet catpeople have remained a continuous issue for two years running.

and before catpeople, digitigrade legs were a horrible fetish feature that was bringing in the wrong sort of players
and before digitigrade legs, it was lizards that were a horrible fetish feature that was bringing in the wrong sort of players
I'm sure someone will add some other new feature at some point and that will become the new horrible fetish feature that's bringing in the wrong sort of players

Lizards always had a pass due to them being in the game for an extremely long period of time. Catpeople are a more recent addition which has no real historical basis outside of the physical cat ears you could wear on your head if you got to an autodrobe, of which almost no one ever wore them to my recollection.

The argument that Catpeople are the 'hate of the month' holds no water, since in the two plus years since their addition they have remained a massively controversial concept with no other addition after the fact ever reaching an iota of controversy in comparison.

We've had Plasmapeople, Mothpeople, Flypeople, now we might be getting Zoltans. None of them have received the level of complaints and controversy as Catpeople are getting.

confused rock wrote:Fuck it, I'm not even going to argue about removal. I think that removing cats from sybil is an insultingly poor choice, but I can see why it was done. in the past cats weren't on sybil, and anyone who isn't very new probably remembers that. Why're we going back to the exact same situation as before if it was decided against earlier (by pro cat players)? Because they really don't give a shit about what's better in general. Bagil originally had cats added as some form of incentive to go to what was at the time basil, since it was always extreme lowpop. Now sybil is the less popular server. Logically it should be the one forced to have cats, right? Well, Arianya doesn't give a shit, because all they care about is that they can keep their cats and not make any changes to their preference whatsoever. They just want the server that they already hardly play on to take the hit so that they can relax as if nothing ever happened while trying to shut up complaints. This is insulting at best. I'm not even going to argue on their removal. I've always liked sybil, and I think I hate cats much more than most here. I still think that it's stupid that we go full fucking circle instead of making the logically superior choice because Arianya is too lazy to server hop.
Welp, enjoy the new copypasta I guess.

I know I somewhat mislead people by my username but you do realize I do not and have never played a catperson/felinid (outside of specific instances like being purrbated during the summer ball IIRC) right?

Steelpoint wrote:One thing I do believe is that I've never seen such a controversial feature remain in game for as long as this has in the history of tgstation. Other highly controversial things have been significantly reworked or just removed yet catpeople have remained a continuous issue for two years running.

accurate and in fact the only reason they have been untouched is wilful blindness to the issue from high echelons of the server.

Terrible species and shit way to dodge the results of the poll asking to remove it.
Removing them on the less played, more RP server is a complete asspull which satisfies nobody.
The only compromise I'm willing to make for cats staying in the game as a playable species is to make them automatically valid to kill, like the one cat species that Hippie Station implemented.

Don't forget to vote in the upcoming poll then.

This shit-flinging isn't going to resolve anything, but I'm going to put my two cents and say that removing catgirls from sybil was a good choice, we just wanted admins to stop complaining about the lack of catgirls, I've seen it and maybe it was a joke but I didn't find it funny. Half the playerbase and ONE player voted for them to be ridden of, and the 'few pixels' or 'not fetish material' arguments seem to tick me off more. We've all seen peppermint or something or other being lewded or some shit on admin free hut or on the splash screen, the 'few pixels' argument tells us that the cat ears and tails are so insignificant that it does not matter, so whats stopping us from removing the 'few pixels'?

But don't forget, the vote still won and the way I see it the one vote seems to made the headmins scramble for reasons for them to stay because it would come off as 'unfair' because of one vote, and accepting the vote would too come off as 'unfair' because of one vote, it's a conundrum only able to be dealt with through damage control, the only way this will be resolved is finally coming up with a decision and waiting for the hate by either side to wear off.

I respect the headmins for trying to keep the peace and keep the playerbase at a high but arguing about it at this level is a level of autism I can't handle.

Take my opinion with a grain of salt, because I've never fully fledged myself in a town hall before.

Screemonster wrote:and before catpeople, digitigrade legs were a horrible fetish feature that was bringing in the wrong sort of players
and before digitigrade legs, it was lizards that were a horrible fetish feature that was bringing in the wrong sort of players
I'm sure someone will add some other new feature at some point and that will become the new horrible fetish feature that's bringing in the wrong sort of players

I think both of these are fetish content except catpeople are just the worse offender.

Arianya wrote:

confused rock wrote:Fuck it, I'm not even going to argue about removal. I think that removing cats from sybil is an insultingly poor choice, but I can see why it was done. in the past cats weren't on sybil, and anyone who isn't very new probably remembers that. Why're we going back to the exact same situation as before if it was decided against earlier (by pro cat players)? Because they really don't give a shit about what's better in general. Bagil originally had cats added as some form of incentive to go to what was at the time basil, since it was always extreme lowpop. Now sybil is the less popular server. Logically it should be the one forced to have cats, right? Well, Arianya doesn't give a shit, because all they care about is that they can keep their cats and not make any changes to their preference whatsoever. They just want the server that they already hardly play on to take the hit so that they can relax as if nothing ever happened while trying to shut up complaints. This is insulting at best. I'm not even going to argue on their removal. I've always liked sybil, and I think I hate cats much more than most here. I still think that it's stupid that we go full fucking circle instead of making the logically superior choice because Arianya is too lazy to server hop.
Welp, enjoy the new copypasta I guess.

I know I somewhat mislead people by my username but you do realize I do not and have never played a catperson/felinid (outside of specific instances like being purrbated during the summer ball IIRC) right?

fuck, well, check mate, i guess.

somerandomguy wrote:

MrStonedOne wrote:Because new information has come to light, I've cleaned up this thread a touch and will be unlocking it.

The filter used to filter the results was pretty incorrect.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 43#p446943 for more details.

the result will likely be the same, a new vote will be made.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

In the hut:
>"well remove won so we have to full remove"
>"no compromise since remove is the majority"
>filter was wrong
>keep won

Place your bets now, how long will it be until people that argued that one vote is enough make a u-turn?

CitrusGender wrote:Perhaps it's just my personal opinion, but I don't think the overall hatred of catgirls is anything more than a backlash at the prominence of some figures in our community that really make them look bad. I think the "votes against catgirls" are not really so much votes against them in the game but more votes against the extremely in your face nature of some characters in this community.

I don't really see the big deal over a few pixels.

This, catpeople in the game aren't actually fetishy at all, it's just that people post lewds on discord etc and people associate them with catpeople in the game.
It is still kind of a low-effort race, but the amount of hate is absurd.

>people OOC are super autistic and post fetish porn about the feature constantly and all they do is fetishize said content

Haha yes not fetishy at all. If it's just a few pixels they can be removed easily.

Qustinnus wrote:

somerandomguy wrote:

MrStonedOne wrote:Because new information has come to light, I've cleaned up this thread a touch and will be unlocking it.

The filter used to filter the results was pretty incorrect.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 43#p446943 for more details.

the result will likely be the same, a new vote will be made.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

In the hut:
>"well remove won so we have to full remove"
>"no compromise since remove is the majority"
>filter was wrong
>keep won

Place your bets now, how long will it be until people that argued that one vote is enough make a u-turn?

CitrusGender wrote:Perhaps it's just my personal opinion, but I don't think the overall hatred of catgirls is anything more than a backlash at the prominence of some figures in our community that really make them look bad. I think the "votes against catgirls" are not really so much votes against them in the game but more votes against the extremely in your face nature of some characters in this community.

I don't really see the big deal over a few pixels.

This, catpeople in the game aren't actually fetishy at all, it's just that people post lewds on discord etc and people associate them with catpeople in the game.
It is still kind of a low-effort race, but the amount of hate is absurd.

>people OOC are super autistic and post fetish porn about the feature constantly and all they do is fetishize said content

Haha yes not fetishy at all. If it's just a few pixels they can be removed easily.

Keyword being OOC, my point was that it's not in the game itself - outside of the game they're 100% fetish content, but barely in the game if at all
Let me put it this way: other things are fetishized outside of the game, and they aren't removed

somerandomguy wrote:

Qustinnus wrote:

somerandomguy wrote:

MrStonedOne wrote:Because new information has come to light, I've cleaned up this thread a touch and will be unlocking it.

The filter used to filter the results was pretty incorrect.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 43#p446943 for more details.

the result will likely be the same, a new vote will be made.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

In the hut:
>"well remove won so we have to full remove"
>"no compromise since remove is the majority"
>filter was wrong
>keep won

Place your bets now, how long will it be until people that argued that one vote is enough make a u-turn?

CitrusGender wrote:Perhaps it's just my personal opinion, but I don't think the overall hatred of catgirls is anything more than a backlash at the prominence of some figures in our community that really make them look bad. I think the "votes against catgirls" are not really so much votes against them in the game but more votes against the extremely in your face nature of some characters in this community.

I don't really see the big deal over a few pixels.

This, catpeople in the game aren't actually fetishy at all, it's just that people post lewds on discord etc and people associate them with catpeople in the game.
It is still kind of a low-effort race, but the amount of hate is absurd.

>people OOC are super autistic and post fetish porn about the feature constantly and all they do is fetishize said content

Haha yes not fetishy at all. If it's just a few pixels they can be removed easily.

Keyword being OOC, my point was that it's not in the game itself - outside of the game they're 100% fetish content, but barely in the game if at all
Let me put it this way: other things are fetishized outside of the game, and they aren't removed

Catpeople draw in a shit audience and thus are shit. What other shit is being fetishized because most likely, I'd want to remove them too

somerandomguy wrote: Let me put it this way: other things are fetishized outside of the game, and they aren't removed

okay so here is the flaw with this logic:

Outside the game, digitigrade legs/feet/whatever are pretty much only found on animals, therefore when applied in the context of a humanoid, is only for furries and fursona crap
therefore, it's not a mater of "it's fetishized outside the game", it IS a fetish. It's not being fetishized, that would imply it wasn't one to begin with originally.

This same logic applies to catpeople, and when we consider catpeople, we're talking humanoids with cat ears and a tail because we aren't talking about the 1985 box office hit Cat People. This is fetish content. If you go incognito on google and take your laptop to the local coffee shop, you'll get the same results as Average Joe would if you google image search "human with cat ears and tail". It's not being fetishized, it already IS a fetish.

I'll vote against catpeople if lizards get removed as well though

i'm being completely serious lizard players are all shit slurping morons who think they're better than furries

I don't know if anyone else would swing but i despise lizard players that much

CosmicScientist wrote:Jesus fecking christ. I hope in vain the poll is a landslide either way to make everyone shut up about it. This is supposed to be a community about a fun game. Unlocking the thread for anything but official posts was a mistake.

This community is full of the most deranged freakazoids

The only rational response you would ever get is to ignore the extended community if you get upset as it's not worth your own health or mental energy

I wanna fuck a catgirl

Qbmax32 wrote:I wanna fuck a catgirl

Based and redpilled

People trying to make rational posts are drowned out by the shitposters.

Steelpoint wrote:People trying to make rational posts are drowned out by the shitposters.

Nobody is going to learn from eachother, I get that you're trying to make some rational middleground point but the only people actively posting on the forums have already made their mind up and are dead set on it.

Look at the cat poll threads from each year, the same people saying the same things. Some people on each side leave, some new people join

It's a foolhardy effort to attempt to use logic and trying to be rational when half the posts in this thread by both parties are low effort trash

no point in making an effort for a dialogue when no one wants one

Karp wrote:

Steelpoint wrote:People trying to make rational posts are drowned out by the shitposters.

Nobody is going to learn from eachother, I get that you're trying to make some rational middleground point but the only people actively posting on the forums have already made their mind up and are dead set on it.

Look at the cat poll threads from each year, the same people saying the same things. Some people on each side leave, some new people join

It's a foolhardy effort to attempt to use logic and trying to be rational when half the posts in this thread by both parties are low effort trash

no point in making an effort for a dialogue when no one wants one

My stance has changed on catpeople several times. If you go into a dialogue determined that no one is going to listen you're just feeding drama for the sake of feeding drama. Yourself included.

iamgoofball wrote:I have my rights.

There is no such thing and the only rights you got is the ones they're allowing you to have, which is frankly too much. In effect the server is a ship, with a bunch of mechanics in the bowels of the ship all having a line to the captain, shouting like they got a union into his ear every so often and demanding the ship go a particular direction.
It's less about the cats and Powers That Be making decisions and making the server stick to it. This being jerked around constantly by the coderbase is bad for pretty much everything included. The polls don't matter and if they really do, they fucking shouldn't, because we've seen the result of humoring the stupidity does.