Re: Naming Policy Changes
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:54 pm
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Anuv wrote:RIP Janice 'Foxy' Lean 2018-2018
Only good thing to come out of this policy tbh
Bottom post of the previous page:
Anuv wrote:RIP Janice 'Foxy' Lean 2018-2018
I think there is a problem when the thread about the new policy contains arbitrary headmin rulings not based on the new policy, and "lol what do you care just roll with it" doesn't feel like a solution. I mean, yes, I don't care and it's not a big deal, this is just a 2d spessman game, it's just disheartening to see the administration behaving this way.wesoda25 wrote:Ok but do we lose anything if we make “of” type names a thing of the past. Vaina is it just gonna ruin the game for you if you don’t see Ostrava of Nanotrasen or Jill desouza running around anymore? Headmins gave their ruling, why don’t you just accept it and stop contesting this stupid little detail?
Rip Janice ‘Foxy’ Lean
No Frank george smith, as having a completely normal middle name (Firstname Lastname)confused rock wrote:I know asking about specific names is irritating, but I think like 10 ish examples could save a lot of later questions, like yes/no for
Cancer XD is bad faith and/or just plain crapconfused rock wrote:I know asking about specific names is irritating, but I think like 10 ish examples could save a lot of later questions, like yes/no for
Frank george smith, as having a completely normal middle name
Cancer XD again
Just one example of an”unreasonable” wiz name
Pepper Mint etc
Nabski wrote: No Frank george smith, as having a completely normal middle name (Firstname Lastname)
Keyword being "minimum". I don't see a word disallowing middle names, only nicknames and honorifics. But no matter what the case is, this just proves a point that the new policy is "hurr durr not clear enoug"A firstname lastname minimum is required for humans and felinids
I think I would prefer ostrava undertale or ostrava fortnite more than ostrava nanotrasenNilons wrote: the death of ostrava of nanotrasen the rise of ostrava nanotrasen
go away dregonstepsobscolene wrote:Giving players freedom of choice was a mistake. If we don't have state-enforced randomnaming by 2070 we are doomed as a society.
Neither of those are valid under naming policy!Karp wrote:I think I would prefer ostrava undertale or ostrava fortnite more than ostrava nanotrasenNilons wrote: the death of ostrava of nanotrasen the rise of ostrava nanotrasen
Having nicknames in policy always seemed a bit off to me as a nicknames aren't supposed to be official. Janice Lean could still be called 'Foxy' by their work colleagues without breaking any policy; they could encourage people around them to call them 'Foxy'. Friendly players might oblige while others might make fun of it and invent new nastier nicknames.tinodrima7020 wrote:So basically we just removed nicknames?
Ostrava of Boletaria is also banned though because of the hard first last policy so all of those arguments are also trueNikNakFlak wrote:I think vaina exploded, he really made a snarky post when all I did was provide counter arguments.
If you really want to go into it. Nanotrasen isn't royalty isn't grasping at straws, it's literally pointing inconsistencies with all these "of" names and Nilon's name. Nanotrasen isn't a place yet all these "of" names refer to places. These are inconsistencies but sure just wave your finger away. "De" and "von" and all this other shit are normal names now because these are "ofs" in literal different languages that DO NOT have English equivalents because the language (such as Dutch), isn't even in english. Those parts of the name simply carried over into english and became part of a normal last name.
But Ostrava DeBoletaria or Ostrava VonBoletaria would probably be ok and that's what Vaina is arguing aboutNilons wrote:Ostrava of Boletaria is also banned though because of the hard first last policy so all of those arguments are also trueNikNakFlak wrote:I think vaina exploded, he really made a snarky post when all I did was provide counter arguments.
If you really want to go into it. Nanotrasen isn't royalty isn't grasping at straws, it's literally pointing inconsistencies with all these "of" names and Nilon's name. Nanotrasen isn't a place yet all these "of" names refer to places. These are inconsistencies but sure just wave your finger away. "De" and "von" and all this other shit are normal names now because these are "ofs" in literal different languages that DO NOT have English equivalents because the language (such as Dutch), isn't even in english. Those parts of the name simply carried over into english and became part of a normal last name.
VonBoletaria and Von Boletaria have no difference except one is fucking stupid for no reasonNikNakFlak wrote:But Ostrava DeBoletaria or Ostrava VonBoletaria would probably be ok and that's what Vaina is arguing aboutNilons wrote:Ostrava of Boletaria is also banned though because of the hard first last policy so all of those arguments are also trueNikNakFlak wrote:I think vaina exploded, he really made a snarky post when all I did was provide counter arguments.
If you really want to go into it. Nanotrasen isn't royalty isn't grasping at straws, it's literally pointing inconsistencies with all these "of" names and Nilon's name. Nanotrasen isn't a place yet all these "of" names refer to places. These are inconsistencies but sure just wave your finger away. "De" and "von" and all this other shit are normal names now because these are "ofs" in literal different languages that DO NOT have English equivalents because the language (such as Dutch), isn't even in english. Those parts of the name simply carried over into english and became part of a normal last name.
You're right about one thing: contesting this ruling is pointless. We're still at liberty to express our dissatisfaction with it. Like Goofball said: instead of representing the majority (like the headmins are supposed to) and applying laxer policy, they doubled down on it. It's a massive middle finger to anyone who had any semblance of a stake in this discussion.wesoda25 wrote:Ok but do we lose anything if we make “of” type names a thing of the past. Vaina is it just gonna ruin the game for you if you don’t see Ostrava of Nanotrasen or Jill desouza running around anymore? Headmins gave their ruling, why don’t you just accept it and stop contesting this stupid little detail?
Nilons did my job already. I have yet to see a single good reason why nobiliary particles in naming are either in bad faith or don't work other than "them's the rules, kiddo".NikNakFlak wrote:There were arguments, you just dismissed them because you didn't like them.
As far as I can tell, the take on honorifics and nicknames were separate from the stance on bad-faith names and are fairly disconnected points in the original post. Nobody's saying they're bad faith, just that they're remaining disallowed in the name of consistency.Vaina wrote:I have yet to see a single good reason why nobiliary particles in naming are either in bad faith or don't work other than "them's the rules, kiddo".
That seems like an exception that would fit in the naming policy quite snugBeeSting12 wrote:I can't remember if it was nerv or ari but they said a name with "von" in it, as long as it's good faith, is allowed.
I should point out that if someone's the heir to NT then they basically are royalty, seeing how powerful NT isNikNakFlak wrote:There were arguments, you just dismissed them because you didn't like them.
okay, what's good faith?BeeSting12 wrote:I can't remember if it was nerv or ari but they said a name with "von" in it, as long as it's good faith, is allowed.
That's the whole point. If they're not in bad faith, there should be no reason to prohibit them.IkeTG wrote:Nobody's saying they're bad faith,
Consistency of what? First Name Last Name? Ignoring the number of actually ridiculous formats allowed by the rules (now granted to all races), this has been discussed ad nauseum. Nobiliary particles are a valid convention for surnames used in real life.IkeTG wrote:just that they're remaining disallowed in the name of consistency.
'Von', 'de' and 'of' are all the same in practice and principle. Why single out the others? How is 'of' somehow worse than what ethereals or lizards have?BeeSting12 wrote:I can't remember if it was nerv or ari but they said a name with "von" in it, as long as it's good faith, is allowed.
okay, what's good faith?Ayy Lemoh wrote:okay, what's good faith?BeeSting12 wrote:I can't remember if it was nerv or ari but they said a name with "von" in it, as long as it's good faith, is allowed.
If Nervere and Arianya dislike me however I accidently made a character with von in it then am I safe or do they think I am the big bad griefer known as rshoe?
If I'm best friends and play lfd2 with all the gamemasters and headmins then will I get a free pass on my 6 word name because im following arabic name principles?
What's the limit here, BeeSting?
You and I both know what the head admins meant by consistency. I'm just clarifying that the reason why honorifics and nicknames aren't allowed isn't for the same reason that bad-faith names aren't allowed. The reasoning is as plain as day in the original post, and free to reread to make sure you're on the same page as everyone else.Vaina wrote:[white noise]
You messed up quotes. rip.BeeSting12 wrote:.
I did ask I was told there is a HARD first-name lastname policyAyy Lemoh wrote:You messed up quotes. rip.BeeSting12 wrote:.
Anyways, I get your theory of just don't make bad names. Obviously a six word name would be retarded however the point is that what exactly makes an admin know a name is bad faith unless it's super obvious like Red Dead Von Redemption Zwei? Their opinion on how you are as a person?
If Nilons asked if he would be allowed to play as Ostrava Von Nanotrasen then that would answer my questions. If the answer to him is yes then alright you won. If the answer is no then why is that? Even if you think he's doing it as some sort of epic joke, he likes his name and he once got it allowed. Where's the limit if he's denied?
Clearly not.IkeTG wrote: You and I both know what the head admins meant by consistency.
And I'm not arguing for honorifics or nicknames, if you were paying attention.I'm just clarifying that the reason why honorifics and nicknames aren't allowed isn't for the same reason that bad-faith names aren't allowed.
Follow your own advice.The reasoning is as plain as day in the original post, and free to reread to make sure you're on the same page as everyone else.
I doubt the case of people being able to obscure their intent well enough to confuse all the admins is going to be an issue that consistently arises. Names made in bad faith are likely to always be obvious, and if it isn't obvious right away, is it really a problem?Ayy Lemoh wrote:what exactly makes an admin know a name is bad faith unless it's super obvious like Red Dead Von Redemption Zwei? Their opinion on how you are as a person?
The issue is more of the idea that bias will come into play and that a name would be fine if it weren't for the fact that the person with said name is seen as a jerk. Otherwise, no, there is no problem.IkeTG wrote:I doubt the case of people being able to obscure their intent well enough to confuse all the admins is going to be an issue that consistently arises. Names made in bad faith are likely to always be obvious, and if it isn't obvious right away, is it really a problem?
oranges wrote:What if I added a nickname field in prefs that shows up in your character description when you're examined?
either youre misinformed somehow or they were lying, because I was told the direct opposite by nervereBeeSting12 wrote:I can't remember if it was nerv or ari but they said a name with "von" in it, as long as it's good faith, is allowed.
also the fact you're telling players to skirt policy and toe the line because its stupid means you should just not have it in the first placeNikNakFlak wrote:But Ostrava DeBoletaria or Ostrava VonBoletaria would probably be ok and that's what Vaina is arguing about
I think it'd be best to let this issue play out if it ever does and then worry about precedent then, instead of trying to figure out how to factor it into policy now, honestly.Ayy Lemoh wrote:The issue is more of the idea that bias will come into play and that a name would be fine if it weren't for the fact that the person with said name is seen as a jerk. Otherwise, no, there is no problem.
>not even the headmins can agree on the naming policy they made
That's how it is on this bitch of an earth :^ )Nilons wrote:>not even the headmins can agree on the naming policy they made
If you're seen as a jerk and make names that cause pause for admins then perhaps you shouldn't have came off as a jerk? or perhaps made a more sensible name?Ayy Lemoh wrote:The issue is more of the idea that bias will come into play and that a name would be fine if it weren't for the fact that the person with said name is seen as a jerk. Otherwise, no, there is no problem.IkeTG wrote:I doubt the case of people being able to obscure their intent well enough to confuse all the admins is going to be an issue that consistently arises. Names made in bad faith are likely to always be obvious, and if it isn't obvious right away, is it really a problem?
Can we add backstories that show up when your character's examined?oranges wrote:What if I added a nickname field in prefs that shows up in your character description when you're examined?