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And as Morto said, while you don't see the messages, everyone else does. What the fuck do you do when the entire server thinks you are gay? Can you click the ignore button on that?This is a complete non-response to what I said. This doesn't allow anything if bans were already being handed out for OOC conduct, it just clarifies that you can be banned for being an ass too much in OOC. I'm not seeing how this opens up some can of worms to enable abusive admins if they could've banned you for acting awful too much in OOC already.TheMythicGhost wrote:Here's the thing you dumb pup, and everyone else with the same sentence worded in many different flavors.IkeTG wrote:If bans are going to be handed out for shitty OOC conduct, why wouldn't you want this to be clarified or outlined in the rules? If it's merely a clarification of already-existing precedence, it wouldn't change how the rule is enforced, right?
ThisWas like this because OOC and Deadchat can be ignored via the OOC -> Ignore option. You can ignore both OOC messages, and deadchat messages (as they actually are OOC communication) via this method. Any player being harassed IC without prior provocation over a multitude of rounds usually is punished by the rule stated above too, but the precedent of it regarding metagrudging.We're all here to have a good time supposedly. Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules. Legitimate conflicts where people get upset do happen however, as detailed in the escalation section of the rules.
All this allows is effectively allowing targeted bans towards people you dislike the opinion of, or inconvenienced you in some way because you can now label it as "harassment". I don't even think Morto put a single shred of thought into this at all and didn't think to gauge the community feedback on the suggested changes, and that's completely odd coming from one of the most player friendly admins that investigates instances of grief regardless of round if reported to her.We're all here to have a good time, supposedly. Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules, this also includes harassing a player OOC (Out of character). Legitimate conflicts where people get upset do happen however, as detailed in the escalation section of the rules.
In short, it's a redundant ruling that has a high potential to be misused in the same way the word filter has a high chance of being misused by a sensitive individual (though luckily there's no player control over that, so the select people that can abuse it can be addressed).
i've never heard of this one beforeGrazyn wrote:I think admins should use the "mute ooc for dead players" button more. It really goes a long way
unfortunately it also tends to lead to players immediately flooding ahelps/prayer/IC say/literally any other venue they have with salt and/or shitpostingGrazyn wrote:It's called Toggle dead OOC and it's the fastest way (out of selectively muting shitters) to stop flame, harassment and shitposting dead in its tracks. It also doesn't give an announcement unlike regular OOC mute so normal, living players would just see OOC suddenly become a calm and friendly place where they can still ask questions and have civil dicourse while salty ghosts choke on their own salt.
Nabski wrote:Okay Togopal I guess you could call that a post. Typically good posts are fun and engaging for the reader and add something of value to the thread. If you keep up this habit of posts I'll have no choice but to bring up your behavior with a forum moderator.
Nervere wrote:Blessed togopost.
I'd quite like a pollMortoSasye wrote: When enough players (around 10-15) express a desire for a poll to me.
FloranOtten wrote:I'd quite like a pollMortoSasye wrote: When enough players (around 10-15) express a desire for a poll to me.
Why aren't you an admin on goon? You'd be a better fit there.Lazengann wrote:voting AGAINST the poll
)If you have to change the rules because a single person causes enough drama, you should consider why changing the rules is necessary. The problem is not the players, but the person who, in their hypersensitivity and perceived victimhood, pushes their own agenda to be able to give himself the power to continue with his political goals and censor people, abusing your good will and conscience(?).D&B wrote:Si tienes que cambiar las reglas porque una sola persona causa suficiente drama, por ende tu consideras que cambiar las reglas es necesario, el problema no son los jugadores, sino la persona que con actos de hyper sensibilidad y un acto de victima mueve su propia agenda para poder darse poderes para seguir con sus goles politicos y censoradores abusando de tu buena voluntad y conciencia.
De aqui a unos cuantos meses, cuando todo sea peor, vas a lamentar no haber removido a esta manzana podrida, a este ser toxico que con su sola presencia, y acciones a causado tanto drama y malestar en tan poco tiempo.
El que traduzca esto chupa pollas btw
Long-standing game features have been removed because of a single person so I don't see why the same shouldn't apply to rules.Sandshark808 wrote:If you have to change the rules because a single person causes enough drama, you should consider why changing the rules is necessary. The problem is not the players, but the person who, in their hypersensitivity and perceived victimhood, pushes their own agenda to be able to give himself the power to continue with his political goals and censor people, abusing your good will and conscience(?).D&B wrote:Si tienes que cambiar las reglas porque una sola persona causa suficiente drama, por ende tu consideras que cambiar las reglas es necesario, el problema no son los jugadores, sino la persona que con actos de hyper sensibilidad y un acto de victima mueve su propia agenda para poder darse poderes para seguir con sus goles politicos y censoradores abusando de tu buena voluntad y conciencia.
De aqui a unos cuantos meses, cuando todo sea peor, vas a lamentar no haber removido a esta manzana podrida, a este ser toxico que con su sola presencia, y acciones a causado tanto drama y malestar en tan poco tiempo.
El que traduzca esto chupa pollas btw
In a few months, when everything is worse, you will regret not having removed this rotten apple, this toxic being that with its presence alone, and with its actions, has caused so much drama and discomfort in such a short time.
Translator's note: I suck dicks.
My spanish isn't super great, but the way I translated it he was saying that if the rules are changed in haste to appease one person's sore ass, it will lead to a lot worse in the future because a bad actor is being given a big impact on the community.Grazyn wrote:Long-standing game features have been removed because of a single person so I don't see why the same shouldn't apply to rules.
What I don’t get is how the fuck do people know he’s a tranny and why would they put that out there?Grazyn wrote:Yeah it's a translation. My point still stands. You can have a single person who's being an obnoxious bully but you can't ban him because there is no rule for it, so you make one. Would you think this prompts more shitters in the future to have a shitty behaviour in the attempt to change the rules?
At the end of the day it's the headmin's decision only. They can decide case by case with common sense and if they think new rules are needed, so be it. What I don't like is this hostile climate that shifts the blame on those who complain. Nobody should feel pressured to not complain for the fear of being labelled a "bad actor" who just wants to push unwarranted change with his whining.
We know it because he says it any chance he gets. And he has, in the past, blown up and used admin powers to mess with people for needling him about it.Snuffleupagus wrote:What I don’t get is how the fuck do people know he’s a tranny and why would they put that out there?
You might fuck goats. I don’t know. I don’t care. You don’t need to proclaim it either, but if you did, expect some taunting for it. This transsexual dude is just as much at fault for exposing they’re transgender. No one gives a fuck. It’s not pertinent to the game. There should be a rule about not sharing innate details about your life to other users, if you do realize you’re opening yourself up for ridicule. It’s the fucking Internet. Not a “safe space.”
OOC has discussions about stuff not pertinent to the game all the time. If someone is obviously trolling, fishing for reactions, ban him. If someone is feeding the troll by taking the bait and flaming, ban him. But OOC not being a safe place doesn't mean that it's mandatory to dogpile on anyone saying anything. Again, admins should be able to tell the difference between trolling/baiting and random stuff. This isn't junior high, I think players should have the reasonable expectation to not being jumped upon and harassed to death for saying stuff like "I'm trans/gay".Snuffleupagus wrote:What I don’t get is how the fuck do people know he’s a tranny and why would they put that out there?Grazyn wrote:Yeah it's a translation. My point still stands. You can have a single person who's being an obnoxious bully but you can't ban him because there is no rule for it, so you make one. Would you think this prompts more shitters in the future to have a shitty behaviour in the attempt to change the rules?
At the end of the day it's the headmin's decision only. They can decide case by case with common sense and if they think new rules are needed, so be it. What I don't like is this hostile climate that shifts the blame on those who complain. Nobody should feel pressured to not complain for the fear of being labelled a "bad actor" who just wants to push unwarranted change with his whining.
You might fuck goats. I don’t know. I don’t care. You don’t need to proclaim it either, but if you did, expect some taunting for it. This transsexual dude is just as much at fault for exposing they’re transgender. No one gives a fuck. It’s not pertinent to the game. There should be a rule about not sharing innate details about your life to other users, if you do realize you’re opening yourself up for ridicule. It’s the fucking Internet. Not a “safe space.”
I believe MSO should step in here. Personally.deedubya wrote:15 people later, we still don't have a community poll over this rule change. We had the minimum 10 that Morto asked for days ago, too.
Soon(TM)deedubya wrote:15 people later, we still don't have a community poll over this rule change. We had the minimum 10 that Morto asked for days ago, too.
I’m not disagreeing with you. My point is why are you telling people you’re trans and or gay in the first place. How is that relevant? At all? It’s kind of a random thing to just bring up in a video game in ooc chat with random fucking people you don’t know. Unless you’re telling people it’s a weakness. I’ve got news for you. Humans exploit weakness in real life and do it doubly so on the Internet. So if you’re dumb enough to expose a weakness or sore spot expect double the ridicule. No one fucking cares if you take HrT or dress in high heels. No one knows unless you tell them.Grazyn wrote:OOC has discussions about stuff not pertinent to the game all the time. If someone is obviously trolling, fishing for reactions, ban him. If someone is feeding the troll by taking the bait and flaming, ban him. But OOC not being a safe place doesn't mean that it's mandatory to dogpile on anyone saying anything. Again, admins should be able to tell the difference between trolling/baiting and random stuff. This isn't junior high, I think players should have the reasonable expectation to not being jumped upon and harassed to death for saying stuff like "I'm trans/gay".Snuffleupagus wrote:What I don’t get is how the fuck do people know he’s a tranny and why would they put that out there?Grazyn wrote:Yeah it's a translation. My point still stands. You can have a single person who's being an obnoxious bully but you can't ban him because there is no rule for it, so you make one. Would you think this prompts more shitters in the future to have a shitty behaviour in the attempt to change the rules?
At the end of the day it's the headmin's decision only. They can decide case by case with common sense and if they think new rules are needed, so be it. What I don't like is this hostile climate that shifts the blame on those who complain. Nobody should feel pressured to not complain for the fear of being labelled a "bad actor" who just wants to push unwarranted change with his whining.
You might fuck goats. I don’t know. I don’t care. You don’t need to proclaim it either, but if you did, expect some taunting for it. This transsexual dude is just as much at fault for exposing they’re transgender. No one gives a fuck. It’s not pertinent to the game. There should be a rule about not sharing innate details about your life to other users, if you do realize you’re opening yourself up for ridicule. It’s the fucking Internet. Not a “safe space.”
Why?Grazyn wrote: OOC has discussions about stuff not pertinent to the game all the time. If someone is obviously trolling, fishing for reactions, ban him. If someone is feeding the troll by taking the bait and flaming, ban him.
Because otherwise OOC turns into flameshit general and they have to mute it anyway?terranaut wrote:Why?Grazyn wrote: OOC has discussions about stuff not pertinent to the game all the time. If someone is obviously trolling, fishing for reactions, ban him. If someone is feeding the troll by taking the bait and flaming, ban him.
We're currently on a stalemate with one headmin being against it and another being ok with it. This is the reason for the delay, and I apologize for it.deedubya wrote:15 people later, we still don't have a community poll over this rule change. We had the minimum 10 that Morto asked for days ago, too.
You what? You realize you only need 2/3rds majority to decide on things, not a unanimous vote?MortoSasye wrote:We're currently on a stalemate with one headmin being against it and another being ok with it. This is the reason for the delay, and I apologize for it.deedubya wrote:15 people later, we still don't have a community poll over this rule change. We had the minimum 10 that Morto asked for days ago, too.
If it wasn't something that could happen without majority approval, why did you promise it in the first place?MortoSasye wrote:We're currently on a stalemate with one headmin being against it and another being ok with it. This is the reason for the delay, and I apologize for it.deedubya wrote:15 people later, we still don't have a community poll over this rule change. We had the minimum 10 that Morto asked for days ago, too.
Literally all headmin actions and promises work that way. I promised ban appeals and got blocked by the other two headmins. You can promise that you'll propose it to the other two headmins and support it; you cannot promise that you'll force it through, because the only person that can do that is the host.Sandshark808 wrote:If it wasn't something that could happen without majority approval, why did you promise it in the first place?MortoSasye wrote:We're currently on a stalemate with one headmin being against it and another being ok with it. This is the reason for the delay, and I apologize for it.deedubya wrote:15 people later, we still don't have a community poll over this rule change. We had the minimum 10 that Morto asked for days ago, too.