Roundtable discussion.

scaredofshadows · Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:27 pm

We'll be having a roundtable discussion on teamspeak tonight to discuss events and address recent issues. I want to try to keep this to no more than 30 minutes of official business.

When: Tonight, January 24th at 6pm EST.
Where: teamspeak courtesy of MSO - ts.tgstation13.org.
Who: All are invited and will be given a chance to speak.

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:35 pm #62323

This should be put up as an announcement to make it more prominent, perhaps in the game as well.

420weedscopes · Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:49 pm

for those in the uk/eu:

6pm EST is 11pm GMT-0
if you have any issues with connecting to the ts, please come on rizon #coderbus and ping MrStonedOne.

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:47 pm #62469

Reminder: Round table starts soon.

Jalleo · Post by **Jalleo** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:00 pm #62474

I wont be there too late and not warned in enough time. We really should of had better pre warning.

Main points I would like to know are mentioned:
How will better management of feedback occur?
E.g. Will there be more focus on removing empty posts?
How will more focus on the bad posters be done?

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:01 pm #62475

The TS is at capacity, people can't join it.

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:03 pm #62476

Round table has moved to ts.dusdavidgames.nl due to insufficient client slots.

ts.dusdavidgames.nl

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:33 pm #62478

The ts channel is now using the password: autism

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:09 am #62500

Roundtable has concluded. Hopefully one of the participants will post a recording soon.

Post by **lumipharon** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:29 am #62513

Whelp, too busy doing open homes.

If we do this again, can we have some actual notice? Half a day isn't great, for something that's fairly important.

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:30 am #62542

Oranges and An0n3 both recorded it by the by, and considering there was a lot of agreement on stuff that should be explored more by everyone we should probably post up what we wanted to talk about.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:59 am #62568

I'll upload it to youtube and put some dumb image over it and there we go. Upload in a moment.

Ayyyyyyy:

Post by **oranges** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:09 am #62578

http://www.xeon.pw/~francis/recordings/

Uploaded and rendered the latest recordings

roundtable2_*.mp3

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:38 am #62594

Suggestions for the future.

1) Let's do this on our own server. We can handle overflow by directing people to the stream. I can setup the stream so that it will show the TS window so people will know who is talking. Less confused dutch minecraft players would be nice.
-obviously we'll have to have moderators in the stream chat to control any flooding as well as monitor for questions that might come in from there
2) I can also setup the stream to auto archive so there'll be a recording of everything with the same notification lights to let people who watch later know who is saying what. People are expressing confusion over trying to tell who is who.

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:43 am #62595

My biggest wish list for future round tables:

Hand out priority speaker for the community leads and any other persons of interest at the time. I got tired of people talking over each other really quickly.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:46 am #62607

I like listening to people talk but it might better facilitate conversation to have people raise questions in chat which then get brought up and discussed by the community leads.

Part of the roundtable though is giving people a chance to voice their concerns, so giving everyone a chance to speak is pretty important. Finding some way to order this chaos would be best.

Jeb · Post by **Jeb** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:02 pm #62777

For what it's worth for the next roundtable, I'd be more than glad to host it on my TS, more than enough sluts and nobody's ever on it.

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:01 am #62817

Jeb wrote:more than enough sluts

so, if i go to the roundtable, i get my own slut?
hell yeah dude

Jeb · Post by **Jeb** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:32 am #62847

Sluts for everyone!

Aurx · Post by **Aurx** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:02 am #62873

But if you also give the sluts their own sluts, you enter a situation wherein the total number of sluts needed to sustain the current slut population grows geometrically. You literally can never have enough sluts for any userbase larger than zero.

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:06 am #62875

the sluts function as their own sluts

Aurx · Post by **Aurx** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:58 am #62881

We established in

miggles wrote:
Jeb wrote:more than enough sluts
so, if i go to the roundtable, i get my own slut?
hell yeah dude

that the sluts aren't shared sluts.
And we've been using the plural all this time, so it's clearly not one slut per person.
Therefore, each slut, given that sluts are included in "everyone", has at least two sluts of their own. Who have two sluts of THEIR own each. Who have etc etc etc infinite sluts required to fulfill promises made.

Jeb · Post by **Jeb** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:59 am #62882

Slutception

Aurx · Post by **Aurx** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:47 am #62888

Jeb wrote:Slutception

No, this is explicitly NOT recursive assignment, at least not by any sane slut assignment algorithm. The only reason to introduce new sluts into the system is to fill demand for new sluts, therefore any new slut should be immediately assigned to fill an existing need. Introducing a slut and assigning it to itself would serve no constructive purpose.

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:53 am #62953

the plurality of the sluts refers to the fact that there are many sluts in general because there will be many people there, not that each person gets at least 2 sluts
and the sluts will function as their own sluts, thus each non-slut gets one slut to service them and the sluts, being sluts, accept their usage by the person they are servicing as their own form of slut-satisfaction
which is to say, because they are sluts, and because they are engaging in slut activities, they reach their needed slut quota by being used

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:22 am #62976

there's a line somewhere but i know we've crossed it

Aurx · Post by **Aurx** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:53 pm #63059

miggles wrote:the plurality of the sluts refers to the fact that there are many sluts in general because there will be many people there, not that each person gets at least 2 sluts
and the sluts will function as their own sluts, thus each non-slut gets one slut to service them and the sluts, being sluts, accept their usage by the person they are servicing as their own form of slut-satisfaction
which is to say, because they are sluts, and because they are engaging in slut activities, they reach their needed slut quota by being used

Put those goalposts back in the slut you took them from.

Stickymayhem · Post by **Stickymayhem** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:04 pm #63105

Can whoever made telescience create a formula representing this argument with a proof either way because this is going to keep me up at night

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:22 pm #63241

Aurx wrote:
miggles wrote:the plurality of the sluts refers to the fact that there are many sluts in general because there will be many people there, not that each person gets at least 2 sluts
and the sluts will function as their own sluts, thus each non-slut gets one slut to service them and the sluts, being sluts, accept their usage by the person they are servicing as their own form of slut-satisfaction
which is to say, because they are sluts, and because they are engaging in slut activities, they reach their needed slut quota by being used
Put those goalposts back in the slut you took them from.

the changing of goalposts would imply that wasnt my argument from the start and that you werent not understanding me

Aurx · Post by **Aurx** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:01 am #63262

miggles wrote:
Aurx wrote:
miggles wrote:the plurality of the sluts refers to the fact that there are many sluts in general because there will be many people there, not that each person gets at least 2 sluts
and the sluts will function as their own sluts, thus each non-slut gets one slut to service them and the sluts, being sluts, accept their usage by the person they are servicing as their own form of slut-satisfaction
which is to say, because they are sluts, and because they are engaging in slut activities, they reach their needed slut quota by being used
Put those goalposts back in the slut you took them from.
the changing of goalposts would imply that wasnt my argument from the start and that you werent not understanding me

Your original post was sufficiently ambiguous for me to finger you as a dirty filthy goalpost mover.
What's your bulk rate, by the way? I've got some debates on 4chan I'd like to outsource some work for.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:08 am #63264

It might actually help if somebody with priority speaker actually directed the discussion instead of just tossing it out to the dogs. As is now, the vague topic of interest at the time is announced and then everyone shouts over eachother to shit on paprka.

Post by **oranges** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:44 am #63629

I spoke with MSO and he is investigating mumble as a replacement that doesn't limit you arbitrairily. Stay tuned

Jeb · Post by **Jeb** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:59 am #63636

Eww, mumble.

No thanks.

I'll stick with my empty 500 slut TS thx.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:12 pm #63714

mumble suck

peoplearestrange · Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:50 pm

Actually gonna agree, mumble is kinda the worst of the bunch... even skype is better. *Shudders*

I miss ventrilo though...

Post by **MrStonedOne** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:03 pm #65565

mumble is open source, no slots limit, and doesn't close down their licensing website on the weekends like teamspeak does.

Honestly, its the closing down the page thing that had me kicking ts to the curve. That shit is fucking retarded, so fuck TS.

Post by **lumipharon** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:52 pm #65667

Mumble is objectively superior, speaking from playing years of eve and dealing with different comm clients.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:40 pm #65715

1) Stop instantiating new sluts. Slut the sluts you already have instantiated to eachother to satisfy their own needs for a slut. A slut mesh. Done.

2) Stop talking about sluts. This is actually kinda serious. What kind of format we use for the next talk is important to keep people from talking over eachother and so I can record things to make it clear who was talking when so that folks can understand what was actually said.

Either:

A) Everyone chattin' up a storm. We just do it again like we did last time except hopefully with a little more discipline. It's a clusterfuck, as we heard last time, but it at least gives everyone the ability to talk (even if they use it to talk over eachother)

B) We have a panel of community leaders with voice and everyone else talks in chat. We can read questions and then discuss them, or give voice to single people as they raise good questions to read and discuss. This makes things a lot easier to listen to but restricts people's access to a voice, which I don't like.

Which is preferable?

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:00 am #65727

I'm the only community leader that matters so it will just be me talking the whole time anyway

miggles · Post by **miggles** » Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:47 am #65749

just try to prevent people from talking over each other
remove voice from people who constantly butt in and just hope that everyone has the discipline to shut up when someone is speaking

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:58 am #66855

So what time are we doing this today? I'd like to have everything setup ahead of time so I can just turn things on when we're ready to go.

Who's actually hosting this thing, on what platform, and what server address?