Remove Wizard?

Ahammer18 · Post by **Ahammer18** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:08 am #107105

Okay, so basically wizard creates a huge and unnecessary clusterfuck of murder and it is a pain in the ass for players who get dunked and a pain in the ass for admins who have to deal with it.

EDIT: Fuck I had a lot of

in me at the time, I'm sorry for making this buttbaby topic.

Cik · Post by **Cik** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:11 am #107107

the real issue with wizard is how abusable and stackable the escape spells are

if you just made wizard a master of CC with icewalls/firewalls/fireball/whatever spells it would be ok, but as it is most of them spam escape spells and it's just 30 minutes of chasing around some asshole with 3 teleports until someone lands a lucky baton and he dies.

it's fucking tiring man

Incomptinence · Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:12 am

It diverges from the bland base mechanics that rule things like traitor and can be chaotic or fun. It is a good mode compared to overly conservative designs like the lings.

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:14 am #107109

It's supposed to be chaotic

It's supposed to be hard to kill him

It's supposed to sometimes devolve into a clusterfuck

You are literally describing the intended function of the round.

All I can say is that if this was brought on by a multidimensional sword round, I agree that thing is crazy bananas and probably is a nightmare to administrate. Beyond that however I can't even parse what the problem is here.

The biggest no of my ss13 career on this one!

Edit: to be clear here are some wizard things maybe overly strong? Sure! But you don't throw the wizard baby out with the enchanted bathwater! If you think specific things are OP horseshit or impossible to administrate, just say so!

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:39 am #107114

wizard is cancer but its a friendly silly laughable kind of cancer

One Seven One · Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:59 am

I agree with incoming.

It's fun because it's chaotic.
It's a pain in everyone's ass because it's chaotic.

I would hate to see wizard get removed but maybe we do need some changes to his abilities, just to bring some in line/make them a little more forgiving for both wizards and non-wizards.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:04 am #107120

Tell players crying they got dunked by a wizard to deal with it.

Although Cik has the right idea here.

Amnestik · Post by **Amnestik** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:09 am #107121

here's an idea i just ass-pulled that's probably poor thought-out:
1. wizard dies
2. instead of round ending, crew are given a warning from Centcom that another wizard will arrive shortly
3. new wizard chosen from pool of dead ghosts
4. x minute grace period during which ghosts are allowed to respawn as randomised crewmembers (you can choose between your old job or a new one, which would free your old job slot for someone else)
5. wizard spends the grace period prepping/waiting in the den
6. wizard arrives
7. rinse and repeat until crew call the shuttle

this gives more people a chance to play a wizard, and means job progress isn't lost after wizard death, which means wizard rounds aren't considered "forfeit job, validhunt" rounds by the crew

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:10 am #107122

I can tell you based on mulligan experiences and ragin mages experiences that the crew will just call the shuttle the moment they can and run away.

Amnestik · Post by **Amnestik** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:13 am #107123

Neither respawns the crew, though.

lollerderby · Post by **lollerderby** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:18 am #107124

Don't think it needs to be removed, but holy hell is it over-weighted on Sybil. At a whopping 12.8%, it's second only to traitor, which makes it wayyy too common for such a memey roundtype.

Post by **oranges** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:48 am #107129

Where do you think we are?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:54 am #107131

Did I accidentally go to the Baystation forum by mistake?

I personally think Wizard is one of our good game modes. The only problems with it are new players fireballing themselves 30 seconds into the round and "stealth" wizards that spend one hour screwing around with mindswap.

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:27 am #107133

Steelpoint wrote:Did I accidentally go to the Baystation forum by mistake?

I personally think Wizard is one of our good game modes. The only problems with it are new players fireballing themselves 30 seconds into the round and "stealth" wizards that spend one hour screwing around with mindswap.

I am currently writing the mother of all git gud wizard documents. This may be helpful to the newbies.

Though I maintain watching wizard die to the unrestrained use of fireballs is hilarious.

QuartzCrystal · Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:45 am

Why is this thread a real thing?

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:35 am #107139

Are you fucking kidding me?

Is your argument really just "b-b-but people die and its chaotic!!1!"

fucking get over yourself, and alt-tab until you hear the revival sounds

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:13 am #107140

The mode people should be griping about is Double Agent, which is pretty much just Summon Guns but with less fun for the crew

Ei Nath · Post by **Ei Nath** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:46 am #107147

>this is the type of person who administrates your server.
I can see why /tg/ is a lifeless husk now.

Post by **oranges** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:34 am #107154

Did you sign up to post that

kek

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:59 am #107155

oranges wrote:Did you sign up to post that

kek

Even funnier because that ckey has zero connections to the server.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:19 am #107169

Ei Nath, go back to Bay.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:28 am #107170

Being serious I hope this is not a sign of a slowly changing trend on the server of people, both players and those in a position of power, want to move away from chaotic and more exciting rounds into mundane 'controlled' rounds.

Stickymayhem · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:17 pm

lolno wizard is staying close to as is while I'm around

I don't want to move away from chaos at all. I'm trying to get us back there. Kor is mostly of the same mind there too.

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:57 pm #107178

I dunno, some of the escape methods maybe could use work, they haven't changed much from the old ways, and back then you could pspray their clothes off to force them to stay in place and get wrecked, and now they got swap mind and all that.

and that cultist knockoff one I've seen around is pretty bogus. Not OP, but confusing at least.

And I'm still not a fan of the possessed grilles and vending machines being so spammable, though it's apparently a costly affair.

Though keep in mind I might be way off base here as I haven't been a wizard in a disgusting amount of time (Sec just got antag role rolls recentlyish)

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:07 pm #107179

All you have to do is remove summon guns and summon magic.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:47 pm #107181

>it's a pain to administrate.

did you think being an admin is a fucking easy job? lmao sonny jim you got a whole new thing coming. Quit complaining about having to do your job, if you don't want to deal with hardships, you shouldn't have become an admin.

Wizards are what make ss13, well ss13.
That and the horrible controls, shitty sprites and gay drama.

Doritos · Post by **Doritos** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:15 pm #107199

QuartzCrystal wrote:Why is this thread a real thing?

TG 2015.

THE MIGHTY GALVATRON · Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:36 pm

Doritos wrote:
QuartzCrystal wrote:Why is this thread a real thing?
TG 2015.

Next update will cover all sharp corners and objects with bubble wrap. Stun batons will be made of rubber and squeak when you hit someone with them. Everything else will be made of styrofoam.

Perfectly. Saaaaaafe. Forever.

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:47 pm #107218

Leave it in., Get Wrecked.

A good wizard is unstoppable, but a bad wizard is hilariously laughable.

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am

The funniest kind of wizard is the one who fucks up but doesn't die, and keeps coming back, getting his shit pushed in, then scampering off to somewhere else to try again, over and over, until he either gets worn down or succeeds against the odds.

ColonicAcid · Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:17 pm

lets be honest the best wizard duo was me and sawrge.

i, the master grand wizard, ordered a bluespace apprentice, i told him to do my objective whilst i went to deal with the crew.

i teleported into the morgue, grabbed the captain, began to strangle her whilst the horrified crew looked in dispair and tried to break into the chaplains office. As they opened the door I blink STRAIGHT INTO THE WALL, THEY TASE ME AND HARM BATTON ME TO DEATH.
ROUND FUCKING OVER SAWRGE HAD MY OBJECTIVE. I WAS BESTED BY MY OWN APPRENTICE.

i still cry about this to this day.

Incomptinence · Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:49 pm

Wizard has OP abilities a few of them solo antag kinda needs em. A lot of lack luster choices you could make too many of the spells are pretty weak.

Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:17 pm

this is dumb and you should feel bad ahammer

tedward1337 · Post by **tedward1337** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:42 pm #107360

Better yet, force all wizards to be friendly and force them to RP :^)

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:45 pm #107361

Someone on singulo posted a suggestion that if a wizard round lasts longer than 45 minutes then the game creates a new antag called the wizard hunter. This guy has gear that is designed to specfically win in a 1 v 1 fight against a wizard and their objective is to hunt down the wizard, of which the hunter has a tracker that points to the wizard, and kill them. Thus incentivsing wizards to not drag things on forever.

Hibbles · Post by **Hibbles** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:19 pm #107386

This is precisely like proposing the removal of the clown. Actually Goon did that and they're still SS13... this is like proposing we remove the act of murdering other players itself, or the ability to change the pre-set architecture or destroy it.

Also, >People pulling out the H u g box rhetoric as though ahammer is going to influence policy more than the two headmins who have stated openly they want to bring us back to the fucking awful wild west city

If your fear is we're going to be more h u g b o y s, you needn't worry right now.

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:08 am #107408

even bay has wizard

i think we can handle it

invisty · Post by **invisty** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:59 am #107424

I'm dead please restart.

callanrockslol · Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:22 am

Hibbles wrote:People pulling out the H u g box rhetoric as though ahammer is going to influence policy more than the two headmins who have stated openly they want to bring us back to the fucking awful wild west city

Its even better when you consider that only one of them was really there for it as far as I remember.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:10 pm #107546

I'm just bored of Wizard because it's so damn common.

You see wizard at least 3-4x as much as you would see a cult or rev round.

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:39 pm #107600

invisty wrote:I'm dead please restart.

im ded plz rstrt

callanrockslol · Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:52 am

Tornadium wrote:I'm just bored of Wizard because it's so damn common.

You see wizard at least 3-4x as much as you would see a cult or rev round.

Do you even back to back wizard rounds with the same person as the wizard?

Cult is cult and rev is being phased out for gang because fun is not allowed.

peoplearestrange · Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:32 am

I think the community has pretty much spoken on this (83%).
Anything else to discuss or shall I lock this?

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:03 pm #107860

Lower the frequency of it, but keep it?

callanrockslol · Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:31 am

ThanatosRa wrote:Lower the frequency of it, but keep it?

Up the frequency.

Incomptinence · Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:58 am

The host likes their wizards I guess.

The frequency that needs to go down is traitor types if anything.

callanrockslol · Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:43 am

Traitor's should show up in other gamemodes that don't end when the main antag dies.

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:05 am #108335

peoplearestrange wrote:I think the community has pretty much spoken on this (83%).
Anything else to discuss or shall I lock this?

What's the rush in locking this topic? Just leave it.

invisty · Post by **invisty** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:55 am #108345

Ikarrus wrote:
peoplearestrange wrote:I think the community has pretty much spoken on this (83%).
Anything else to discuss or shall I lock this?
What's the rush in locking this topic? Just leave it.

Forum admins gotta click all the buttons.

peoplearestrange · Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:09 am

I just felt the poll was fairly clear on the original question. But was unsure, hence why I asked and didn't just do it.

Remove wizard?