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Tentative Code Blue changes

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:54 pm
by Timbrewolf
The current wording of code blue doesn't fit our ideal of RP > Powergaming. It needlessly encourages shitcurity to run around mugging people for no reason. As it stands "I felt like it" is enough cause for a sec officer to justify temporarily detaining and searching ANYONE on the station.

That's kinda crap. I'd like to implement a change to the wording for the Code Blue that was originally suggested by Intigracy ages ago that goes:

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ALERT_BLUE_UPTO The station has received reliable information about possible hostile activity on the station. Security staff may have weapons visible, searches are only authorized on suspicious persons.
ALERT_BLUE_DOWNTO The immediate threat has passed. Security may no longer have weapons drawn at all times, but may continue to have them visible. Searches are now only authorized on suspicious persons.


And attach to that a discussion about what would qualify as a "suspicious person".

We chatted a little in adminbus about that and it seems to be:

1) Committing a crime, or being accused of committing a crime. Kind of a no brainer. If you see someone trespassing or running around wearing something they shouldn't have, green light.
2) Being covered in part or whole in blood. This requires a little discretion in that you should be aware of the station situation and the person's health. As more people become the walking wounded, this becomes less important.
3) Being out of uniform. Being an unknown, wearing strange clothes that don't fit your ID. Don't just accost people just for dressing up, but someone in an assistant's uniform wearing the CMO's ID is probably worth a search. Running around wearing a gas mask when there isn't an environmental hazard is being out of uniform unless you're a sec officer, an engineer, or a scientist working in toxins.
4) Brandishing a weapon. Bartender running around with his shotgun out. Atmos tech running around with the axe in hand. Another no brainer. Keep those items stowed or risk confiscation.

tl;dr use your head. a lot of people are still going to wander around doing suspicious things and likely being searched for it, but this would give people looking to stealth a better idea of what should make you untouchable when it comes to sec randomly emptying your pockets.

Re: Tentative Code Blue changes

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:57 pm
by Hornygranny
I would prefer not to have an automatic code blue to quantifying exactly who is and who is not suspicious.

Re: Tentative Code Blue changes

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:25 pm
by Timbrewolf
The Blue Alert is because the centcom report arrives that warns the station of dangerous threats.

Removing one without removing the other seems odd to me. Maybe we could axe both? What good is the centcom report anyway?

Re: Tentative Code Blue changes

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:31 pm
by QuartzCrystal
An0n3 wrote:The Blue Alert is because the centcom report arrives that warns the station of dangerous threats.

Removing one without removing the other seems odd to me. Maybe we could axe both? What good is the centcom report anyway?


It exists to kinda prep the crew that this shift may not be a normal shift, which I like. But it's not totally necessary I don't think.

Re: Tentative Code Blue changes

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:50 pm
by Jordie0608
QuartzCrystal wrote:It exists to kinda prep the crew that this shift may not be a normal shift


But a blue alert is a normal shift; it happens literally every round.

Re: Tentative Code Blue changes

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:54 pm
by QuartzCrystal
Jordie0608 wrote:
QuartzCrystal wrote:It exists to kinda prep the crew that this shift may not be a normal shift


But a blue alert is a normal shift; it happens literally every round.


I mean from a roleplay perspective. I like to think that not EVERY shift on SS13 in my headcanon plays out like that.

Re: Tentative Code Blue changes

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:07 pm
by MrStonedOne
An0n3 wrote:Brandishing a weapon. Bartender running around with his shotgun out. Atmos tech running around with the axe in hand. Another no brainer. Keep those items stowed or risk confiscation.


An0n3 wrote:or risk confiscation.


I can't agree with publicly condoning this part. Its way too abusable.

Pull it out because x y z, sec officer mcDickens comes on screen, sees you have it out as you are putting it back, tases you and confiscates it and says he doesn't belive or or that its a good enough reason to have it out, assuming he even stays on screen long enough for you to type out why.

Re: Tentative Code Blue changes

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:13 pm
by Timbrewolf
Could someone move this thread to policy discussion?

It was recommended that I post this in the auditorium but having this conversation in front of the players but not including them seems really dumb. I don't see why we shouldn't listen to player input on this?

MrStonedOne wrote:
An0n3 wrote:Brandishing a weapon. Bartender running around with his shotgun out. Atmos tech running around with the axe in hand. Another no brainer. Keep those items stowed or risk confiscation.


An0n3 wrote:or risk confiscation.


I can't agree with publicly condoning this part. Its way too abusable.

Pull it out because x y z, sec officer mcDickens comes on screen, sees you have it out as you are putting it back, tases you and confiscates it and says he doesn't belive or or that its a good enough reason to have it out, assuming he even stays on screen long enough for you to type out why.


That's exactly the point though? You probably shouldn't be juggling a dangerous weapon around your inventory like that. Both examples used go in your backpack slot and stay there. Why would you be drawing them to play with them in the halls? What is this plausible "x y z"? It also gives people a better reason to maybe leave those kinds of things under lock and key in your department if you can.

In both situations you can make a case to your head of staff if you have to, and if they listen to you, they could ask the HoS to return the item. The Bartender belongs to the HoP and the atmos tech obviously to the CE.

Re: Tentative Code Blue changes

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:03 pm
by MrStonedOne
An0n3 wrote:Could someone move this thread to policy discussion?

It was recommended that I post this in the auditorium but having this conversation in front of the players but not including them seems really dumb. I don't see why we shouldn't listen to player input on this?


For the hop thread we had both, why not do the same.

Here we can have the discussion without it spawning 10 pages of the same arguments back and forth, and we can even have peoples quote and sum up the player arguments.

Re: Tentative Code Blue changes

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:04 pm
by Timbrewolf
It gets a little frustrating trying to have the same conversation in two different places.