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I'm making a compilation of policy discussion rulings. The format is usually as follows:

[Question about policy/action in question]: [Context if needed] [Ruling which also has link to the post made by the headmin]

It would probably be linked in the rules page so it can be referenced in ban appeals etc

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Headmin_Rulings

Once I've typed up every ruling in that format, I'll go through and sort them. Silicon/Drone ones are the main things I want to sort out, then OOC conduct, escalation rules, special rules (vampire policy), miscellaneous. Whatever I can think of to make it easier for players to look through it to find answers to policy questions they may have, this will also hopefully reduce duplicate policy discussions since you can reference the ones with a clear ruling on the wiki page.

Is this going to be a wiki article? We already have one of these in the admin forums but no one else can see it so yeah

edit: article was not linked when i posted

Yes, it's going to be a wiki article. I linked it near the bottom. The one we have, I believe only shows headmin rulings that are relevant to admins only for the most part. Reading it now, the only post I see that's relevant to players is admin event roles validity and pile on ick ock which is basically telling us if those two things are bannable. This page is meant moreso for the players and would be useful when reading a ban appeal for quick reference to policy decisions by headmins. Or if they have a specific policy question but don't feel like scrolling through eight pages of questions, many of them duplicates/dumb questions/unenforceable.

Things that will not be included:
Duplicates- The most recent ruling will be put down.
Ones with no clear/obvious ruling and are probably unenforceable. Such as literally anything about escalation.
Dumb Questions- Stuff spawned of salt or to meme. Such as Sally didn't look at Annes box...

Put our names I wanna be in the history books

Ok, I'll add the name of each headmin that made the ruling.

A page like this used to exist. Last time, the page eventually stopped getting updated and then even worse, became out of date, showing rulings that were changed.

Hopefully this one fairs better

BeeSting12 wrote:I'm making a compilation of policy discussion rulings. The format is usually as follows:

[Question about policy/action in question]: [Context if needed] [Ruling which also has link to the post made by the headmin]

It would probably be linked in the rules page so it can be referenced in ban appeals etc

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Headmin_Rulings

Once I've typed up every ruling in that format, I'll go through and sort them. Silicon/Drone ones are the main things I want to sort out, then OOC conduct, escalation rules, special rules (vampire policy), miscellaneous. Whatever I can think of to make it easier for players to look through it to find answers to policy questions they may have, this will also hopefully reduce duplicate policy discussions since you can reference the ones with a clear ruling on the wiki page.

wow rude

Looks great so far.

Woops, didn't realize you already had one. Ah well. As for what NikNakFlak said, I'll be updating this for the foreseeable future. Basically as long as I can actively admin, I can do this with little difficulty, especially after I'm done catalogging the already made policy discussions.

THANK YOU

BEE FUCKING THANK YOU

JESUS FUCK THANK YOU GOD

Special thanks to Repukan for sending me a list of all the silicon policy threads so I can get those done. Also thanks to Qbopper and Atlanta for formatting it. I'm absolute shit at formatting in anything besides google docs, microsoft word, or libre office.

All the silicon policy threads have been catalogged with the exception of a few discussion threads, duplicates, and threads made out of salt such as basically every thread by sirnat and iamgoofball.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5558

Admin Rule 0 backed by headmin override by deadlock broken.
MSO hornygranny 2.1 to unban vs Lollerderby headmin.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 34&t=10255
Metagrudging latejoin harassment sec harassment and OOC/ahelp kill/banbaiting.
Ban removed despite PKP's ruling.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 34&t=11549
Repeated nudity.

these have absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand, they're ban appeals not policy subforum threads

>jmad trying to spin his ban appeals to put headmins in a bad light while vilifying the people who banned him


how could we have expe- oh wait....

thot_slayer wrote:these have absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand, they're ban appeals not policy subforum threads

new rulings new precedents

J_Madison wrote:

thot_slayer wrote:these have absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand, they're ban appeals not policy subforum threads

new rulings new precedents

No
While not necessarily our main rule list, the An0n3 amendment specifically states that saying things like

"This happened to me once and I didn't get banned for it" or the reverse "This happened to me once and I got banned for it."

is not the same as citing the rules
That and common sense/awareness of context

Rulings are referenced, have been used to back or weaken bans.

call it "admin rulings" instead of "headmin rulings"
there's a thing from feem in there and he was not a headmin at the time of that post

J_Madison wrote:Rulings are referenced, have been used to back or weaken bans.

they're not in policy discussion you fuckstick, they don't count

get the headmins to write up a fucking constitution and then make an admin policy changelog/list ingame gaaah.

I'll write the sec policy section of this over the course of this week and hopefully have everything else down by the end of next week. At very latest, it will be Christmas when I'm done with this.

BeeSting12 wrote:At very latest, it will be Christmas when I'm done with this.

I meant Christmas of this year...

Maybe next year. It depends. I'm working on this again though, with the aim to put all of sec policy up there.

I converted the page to use tables, since that makes things a little more readable.

EDIT: Can we link to this page from the Rules page?

As long as I copy pate rule zero to the top of the page in size seventy two font

FrozenGuy5 wrote:get the headmins to write up a fucking constitution and then make an admin policy changelog/list ingame gaaah.

There is no changelog for server config either, you might be asking for too much.

So are these enforced with the rules? I have definitely been bwoinked for at least one thing this list says is fine.

NoxVS wrote:So are these enforced with the rules? I have definitely been bwoinked for at least one thing this list says is fine.

There probably needs to be a discussion about this with the admin/headmin team. Right now we're just focused on documenting them.

NoxVS wrote:So are these enforced with the rules? I have definitely been bwoinked for at least one thing this list says is fine.

Link the specific ruling because we don't know the 70 rulings of our heads especially the more esoteric ones.
Keep in mind rule 0 and 1 do still apply if you do things in excess.

This is a setback.

There's not much I can do if I can't edit it.

Fair point, an oversight of mine; reverted.

Yet another failed gambit for sysop on the wiki. *shakes fist*