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Here is your chance. I plan on revamping everything.

TGUI for all the things.


In Progress

• Focus on performance of current UI.
• Fix "PAGE NOT FOUND" issue

On Pause

• Curator PC - Tabs on Top for Menu and a content pane below for each section.

Todo

• Camera bugs/consoles - Enable Easy to Easy Interface with Filtering
• PDAs
• Curator PC - External Archive will have filter and sort capabilities.
• Medical PC - Tabs on Top for Menu and content page. Enable Filter and Sort
• Jump to Area Admin Command - Enable Filter and use TGUI
• Pandemic Virology Machine.
• TGUI Crew Monitor
• Exosuit Fabricator
• Look into Modular Computers
• Stock Exchange computer
• UP TO YOU!...

Please send me your wishlist items for TGUI conversion.


Updated: May 31st 2017

As long as it works and it doesnt cause horrible client lag and crashes you will be a hero

Pandemic pls
Camera bugs/consoles
I'd also love the rnd console, but that's a big one

XDTM wrote:Pandemic pls
Camera bugs/consoles
I'd also love the rnd console, but that's a big one

Camera Consoles added to top of my list.

Absolutely not, TGui is a slow loading mess that only a half dozen or so people know how to compile and a long gone original dev. We should be obsoleting it, not embracing it.

TGUI is garbage
I still can't open crew monitors because it crashes byond

joke's on you, crew monitors aren't tgui

XDTM wrote:joke's on you, crew monitors aren't tgui

This is true

Make tgui crew monitors, too.

Exosuit Fabricators. They still use the ancient white and blue browsing system!

Gun Hog wrote:Exosuit Fabricators. They still use the ancient white and blue browsing system!

but it's so good

oh are they not
my bad then



fucking fix crew monitors

Just another front ender

He'll disappear like the rest

danno wrote:oh are they not
my bad then



fucking fix crew monitors

Crew monitors are yet another UI system we have.
In order of creation/use:
1. Shitty white + blue raw HTML windows
2. Black CSS styled HTML windows
3. HTML Interface - Crew Monitor (and MAYBE playing cards?) that also has some more advanced features like TGUI does, but is used much less
4. TGUI which mimics #2 but looks much nicer + has auto-updating and animations

if TGUI is so shit, is there an alternative?

CPTANT wrote:if TGUI is so shit, is there an alternative?

Yea, there are, oranges already suggested replacing the front-end ractive by dotjs(I believe other codebases use it). The biggest problem is that we lack someone to actually do it.

<Fantastic_Fwoosh> rockdtben if you're working on UI, could you please do something about the research databases list? Its horrible ugly non sorted & non tgui, even a search function would be great

Yeah, that screen & all the research server database screens (blacklisting etc) are absolute garbage and horrible to sort though when you're looking for things to put onto research disks.

Also if you can investigate about moving more stuff over to Modular computers because there are a lot which can probably be moved to that sort of computer.

Jalleo wrote:Also if you can investigate about moving more stuff over to Modular computers because there are a lot which can probably be moved to that sort of computer.

What kind of stuff specifically?

Gun Hog wrote:

Jalleo wrote:Also if you can investigate about moving more stuff over to Modular computers because there are a lot which can probably be moved to that sort of computer.

What kind of stuff specifically?

camera consoles. See Bay iteration. (It lets you see different areas depending on your access)
Records (security and medical)
prisoner management console
atmospheric alert console (Should be merged with alert console)
cargo requests console
DNA scanner console (Could be done)

Edit: Also it can be set so specific programs need specific things installed on the computer to even run so that can balance out such things as cameras and the prisoner management console.

Stock Exchange computer

Incoming wrote:Absolutely not, TGui is a slow loading mess that only a half dozen or so people know how to compile and a long gone original dev. We should be obsoleting it, not embracing it.

The truth has never been stated so clearly

NikNakFlak wrote:

Incoming wrote:Absolutely not, TGui is a slow loading mess that only a half dozen or so people know how to compile and a long gone original dev. We should be obsoleting it, not embracing it.

The truth has never been stated so clearly

6 or more coders is good numbers. By the end of this process the documentation on TGui will be solid, thus ending the war. Horizontal versus vertical.

Compiling TGUI is pretty easy. If anyone needs help, hit me up in #coderbus and I'll gladly help you.

I seem to recall a few people being adamant about keeping TGUI despite the massive fucking problems it was causing. As long as those get fixed and more people learn how to use it I dont see why it would cause us any more issues

PDAs

D&B wrote:PDAs

Give tablets the full feature set of PDAs and they will replace them naturally.

but muh 80's aesthetics

Gun Hog wrote:

D&B wrote:PDAs

Give tablets the full feature set of PDAs and they will replace them naturally.

Yeah but nobody gives a shit about tablets.

D&B wrote:

Gun Hog wrote:

D&B wrote:PDAs

Give tablets the full feature set of PDAs and they will replace them naturally.

Yeah but nobody gives a shit about tablets.

Because there are few useful programs and they do not have all of the important functions of a PDA!

D&B wrote:Nobody gives a shit about tablets.

I just told you why.

id pay to have sec records on tablets


(not really im broke)

Rockdtben wrote:

NikNakFlak wrote:

Incoming wrote:Absolutely not, TGui is a slow loading mess that only a half dozen or so people know how to compile and a long gone original dev. We should be obsoleting it, not embracing it.

The truth has never been stated so clearly

6 or more coders is good numbers. By the end of this process the documentation on TGui will be solid, thus ending the war. Horizontal versus vertical.

oh gee gosh gee willy, 6 coders and TGUI is still utter complete fucking garbage.
How long have we had TGUI and it's been complete trash this entire time?
The difference between my way and you way is, your way has been talked about being done for awhile now, months maybe. It always just gets to the same place of either "I don't know how to do this" or "I don't have the time".
If you really think you are the one to pull this off, go for it. I gave up kicking and screaming about TGUI long long ago. It broke the game for me and made it borderline unplayable. Basically ruined most of SS13 honestly.
I have absolutely no faith in you what so ever that you will manage to fix up TGUI so that it doesn't take 10 years to load up and stops crashing clients.

You haven't even been around for months.

You delude yourself.

>when you are so retarded you can't get ie11 to work with your byond.

lol niknak

>When you are so retarded you post without knowing all the information.

I have ie11, I debugged this stuff with mso for like an hour once, I asked for help in coderbus and when it was all said and done, the answer I got as to why TGUI doesn't work on my machine was: "lol idk, stop running a toaster"
and I'm not even on a toaster. TGUI is trash and so is your post.

niknak don't test me

the original dev left us a long time ago because he didn't get enough attention

I tried to figure out how to work TGui once but I think I would rather learn how to write traditional Chinese

NikNakFlak wrote:>When you are so retarded you post without knowing all the information.

I have ie11, I debugged this stuff with mso for like an hour once, I asked for help in coderbus and when it was all said and done, the answer I got as to why TGUI doesn't work on my machine was: "lol idk, stop running a toaster"
and I'm not even on a toaster. TGUI is trash and so is your post.

Could you post the following?

• Your specs (IE Version and your ram/cpu)
• List of TGUI machines that work
• List of TGUI machines that don't work.

This seems like a more important task to resolve than making more TGUI items.

Maybe before you do all this, you guys make it actually good? It's stupid slow right now, to the point it can crash some clients because the computer just can't handle it. That's not a good UI by any measure.

Would be nice if byond had/used CEF or some shit.

Scott wrote:Maybe before you do all this, you guys make it actually good? It's stupid slow right now, to the point it can crash some clients because the computer just can't handle it. That's not a good UI by any measure.

See

Rockdtben wrote:

NikNakFlak wrote:>When you are so retarded you post without knowing all the information.

I have ie11, I debugged this stuff with mso for like an hour once, I asked for help in coderbus and when it was all said and done, the answer I got as to why TGUI doesn't work on my machine was: "lol idk, stop running a toaster"
and I'm not even on a toaster. TGUI is trash and so is your post.

Could you post the following?

• Your specs (IE Version and your ram/cpu)
• List of TGUI machines that work
• List of TGUI machines that don't work.

This seems like a more important task to resolve than making more TGUI items.

Gun Hog wrote:

D&B wrote:

Gun Hog wrote:

D&B wrote:PDAs

Give tablets the full feature set of PDAs and they will replace them naturally.

Yeah but nobody gives a shit about tablets.

Because there are few useful programs and they do not have all of the important functions of a PDA!

Also their interface sucks and nobody likes looking at a virtual download bar.

The only thing I use them for is the alarm monitor, which should have just been added to PDA's.

Rockdtben wrote:

Scott wrote:Maybe before you do all this, you guys make it actually good? It's stupid slow right now, to the point it can crash some clients because the computer just can't handle it. That's not a good UI by any measure.

See

Rockdtben wrote:

NikNakFlak wrote:>When you are so retarded you post without knowing all the information.

I have ie11, I debugged this stuff with mso for like an hour once, I asked for help in coderbus and when it was all said and done, the answer I got as to why TGUI doesn't work on my machine was: "lol idk, stop running a toaster"
and I'm not even on a toaster. TGUI is trash and so is your post.

Could you post the following?

• Your specs (IE Version and your ram/cpu)
• List of TGUI machines that work
• List of TGUI machines that don't work.

This seems like a more important task to resolve than making more TGUI items.

16GB ram
Intel core i7-5500 CPU @ 2.4GHz

These usually work: APCs, disposals (sometimes would open super slow), fire alarms, air alarms (also would sometimes open slow)
It literally varied, sometimes they would open fine, sometimes they wouldn't. Sometimes, if I managed to get a previous tgui window to open and then closed it and did it again, it would work decently fine.
These almost always crash my client: Station alert consoles, most atmos consoles. But I tested now and they open decently fine, but in the past, it's been a completely client killer.
I've been told this isn't TGUI but the crew monitoring console is also complete garbage and is the biggest client crasher for me.

There isn't a definitive list of what works fine and what doesn't. There's stuff that sometimes works fine, stuff that sometimes works but takes 10 years to load, and things that usually crash the client but sometimes work if I've opened up another TGUI machine before. I don't know what else to add. Station alert console was the biggest one, I remember specifically clicking on it over and over just to crash my client over and over and attempted to record it doing so, but of course just like quantum mechanics, the minute it knew it wasn't being recorded, it stopped crashing my client.

NikNakFlak wrote:
16GB ram
Intel core i7-5500 CPU @ 2.4GHz

These usually work: APCs, disposals (sometimes would open super slow), fire alarms, air alarms (also would sometimes open slow)
It literally varied, sometimes they would open fine, sometimes they wouldn't. Sometimes, if I managed to get a previous tgui window to open and then closed it and did it again, it would work decently fine.
These almost always crash my client: Station alert consoles, most atmos consoles. But I tested now and they open decently fine, but in the past, it's been a completely client killer.
I've been told this isn't TGUI but the crew monitoring console is also complete garbage and is the biggest client crasher for me.

There isn't a definitive list of what works fine and what doesn't. There's stuff that sometimes works fine, stuff that sometimes works but takes 10 years to load, and things that usually crash the client but sometimes work if I've opened up another TGUI machine before. I don't know what else to add. Station alert console was the biggest one, I remember specifically clicking on it over and over just to crash my client over and over and attempted to record it doing so, but of course just like quantum mechanics, the minute it knew it wasn't being recorded, it stopped crashing my client.

Thank you.

NikNakFlak wrote: There's stuff that sometimes works fine, stuff that sometimes works but takes 10 years to load, and things that usually crash the client but sometimes work if I've opened up another TGUI machine before.

This information helps a ton actually. I'm thinking that loading libraries + ton of data can lead to stalls and crashes even. I'll start with reducing initial load times especially on a clean cache.

I don't need to post my specs, it should be blatantly obvious that it is slow. My computer can handle it, as in it doesn't crash, but some of the people in the community do crash if they open certain TGUI windows. Something is either done very wrong at the core of it, or there's just no good way to do it.

Before it was "fixed", the cooking recipe window would take ages to load and all it did was show a list of recipes, it was lengthy but nothing outrageous that could justify how slow it was.

Yeah goof added a nice bandaid fix that stops the crashes but it still fucking sucks to use

Anything that requaires not one but two side tools and a list of dependancies to be changed is shit by definition
Until we return to the nano style of "just add the file with markup and it works" ill be against any propagation of this shit in our code

Where was all this maintainer hate fot TGUI when it first got added?

Also i love being able to change it without recompiling all the rest of the code, makes adjusting much easier, and it's worth using an external tool imo