maintainer complaint [oranges]

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maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by BeeSting12 » #366827

Warning: Clicking any of the links here/reading this complaint may result in star wars spoilers. I will put spoiler tags around them. Assume everything within a spoiler tag is an actual spoiler to star wars.
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Maintainer: oranges/OptimumTact
Time and Server(Bagil or Sybil) incident occurred: Irrelevant, both.
Detailed summary: Reading the pull request linked here explains about everything: OptimumTact retitled the PR to spoil Star Wars: The Last Jedi which was really shitty because it announces it to every server. There's precedent for people getting gitbanned for this and I'm definitely server banning him once I get home. This goes against server rule one and using PRs to announce stuff to the server is already disallowed as far as I'm aware.
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OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg

DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by BeeSting12 » #366830

To add to this, he already has a previous ban for doing this sort of thing:

"Banned from OOC - Was told not to spoil Fallout 4 or face an OOC ban, spoiled Fallout 4 and will face an OOC ban"

He knows this is wrong (probably knew better than to do it beforehand) and did it anyways. This is not a server ban request. I've already decided he's getting banned when I get home. This is a github ban request.
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Melanie Flowers, Catgirl
Borgasm, Cyborg
Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg

DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by iamgoofball » #366847

if the server chooses to mirror PR names and gets spoiled, that's on the server

the codebase operates independantly
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by Saegrimr » #366849

iamgoofball wrote:if the server chooses to mirror PR names and gets spoiled, that's on the server

the codebase operates independantly
There was an incident a while back where someone was using github announcements to IC in OOC calling out antags.
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by cedarbridge » #366851

iamgoofball wrote:if the server chooses to mirror PR names and gets spoiled, that's on the server

the codebase operates independantly
>maintainer on codebase intentionally changes names on a PR with the knowing intent to send a spoiler to all servers
>b-but the server and codebase are independent

No Goof. You don't get to hide behind that meme for everything.
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by iamgoofball » #366856

cedarbridge wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:if the server chooses to mirror PR names and gets spoiled, that's on the server

the codebase operates independantly
>maintainer on codebase intentionally changes names on a PR with the knowing intent to send a spoiler to all servers
>b-but the server and codebase are independent

No Goof. You don't get to hide behind that meme for everything.
Incorrect. He changed it to mirror the spoiler to #coderbus, an IRC channel that operates independently of the server.

Stop finding excuses to get mad at him because you're angry you got ruse cruised over cattebeest and had to actually punish one of your party members over them overreacting to said ruse cruise.
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by iamgoofball » #366858

Saegrimr wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:if the server chooses to mirror PR names and gets spoiled, that's on the server

the codebase operates independantly
There was an incident a while back where someone was using github announcements to IC in OOC calling out antags.
In that case, the person was actively playing on the server.

oranges doesn't ever play or connect. He was mirroring to the #coderbus channel. The servers being set up to pick it up was merely a coincidence. Blame your host and headmins instead of the codebase.
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by TrustyGun » #366861

What kind of logic is that? It's not the headmins fault if someone decided to abuse a system they set up.
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by captain sawrge » #366862

Please stop replying to the person who is banned from.the codebase trying to represent the codebase.
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by captain sawrge » #366863

Also inb4 goof replies hurr but sarge ur banned too
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by cedarbridge » #366864

captain sawrge wrote:Please stop replying to the person who is banned from.the codebase trying to represent the codebase.
This is a good point.
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by BeeSting12 » #366880

Goof please stop trying to act relevant. We set up OOC and various ingame systems yet we ban players for abusing them. Why should this be any different? oranges' intent was to spoil star wars to the 100+ players online. He was being a dick, plain and simple. Abusing this system has resulted in repo/server bans before and I see no reason why this time should be different. He needs to be held to the same standard as any other player or we'd be setting a bad precedent.
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Borgasm, Cyborg
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OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg

DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by Deitus » #366888

i remember some admin banned me for talking about the ending to fallout 4 in ooc with other players like a week or two after it came out, that was top-tier kekkery.
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by iamgoofball » #366889

captain sawrge wrote:Please stop replying to the person who is banned from.the codebase trying to represent the codebase.
Nice strawman argument that can be turned around on you.
BeeSting12 wrote:Goof please stop trying to act relevant. We set up OOC and various ingame systems yet we ban players for abusing them. Why should this be any different? oranges' intent was to spoil star wars to the 100+ players online. He was being a dick, plain and simple. Abusing this system has resulted in repo/server bans before and I see no reason why this time should be different. He needs to be held to the same standard as any other player or we'd be setting a bad precedent.
If he's being held to the standard of a player, then sure, ban him from the server. I've got no qualms with that. The fact of the matter is that despite what you may think, the repo is not the server, and the server is not the repo.
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captain sawrge wrote:Please stop replying to the person who is banned from.the codebase trying to represent the codebase.
This is a good point.
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by BeeSting12 » #366890

My point is is that this applies to his conduct as a codebase maintainer- Not only a player. Any other coder would likely be repo banned for that. It would be a huge double standard to let a maintainer get away with it just because he's a maintainer.
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Borgasm, Cyborg
Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg

DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day
[2020-05-21 01:21:48.923] SAY: Crippo/(Impala Chainee) "Shaggy Voice - She like... wants to get Eiffel Towered bro!!" (Brig (125, 166, 2))
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by kevinz000 » #366899

cedarbridge wrote:
captain sawrge wrote:Please stop replying to the person who is banned from.the codebase trying to represent the codebase.
This is a good point.
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by Armhulen » #366901

We can't do anything until kor comes back which is probably why oranges has been trolling constantly
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by iamgoofball » #366904

Armhulen wrote:We can't do anything until kor comes back which is probably why oranges has been trolling constantly
lmao @ punishing someone for trolling people who believe everything they read on the internet
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Post by Armhulen » #366908

iamgoofball wrote:
Armhulen wrote:We can't do anything until kor comes back which is probably why oranges has been trolling constantly
lmao @ punishing someone for trolling people who believe everything they read on the internet
Don't tell that to me, I have no say over the codebase
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by Qbopper » #366910

so he's abusing his powers to be a shithead in a way that people have been gitbanned for before?

at this point it's starting to sound like it doesn't matter if oranges is useful as a maintainer/etc. or not, why should he be exempt from punishment

and yes I know what arm said but the point still stands

arm stop replying to goof he's gitbanned and doesn't play his opinion is 100% irrelevant
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Post by oranges » #366930

imagine being this salty over a movie 8-)
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by kevinz000 » #366953

reverting the juicer was a mistake
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Post by oranges » #366958

I actually feel sorry for robustin because he made dip
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Post by Oldman Robustin » #366988

Yea this simmered my soufflé - perfect alignment of events had me seeing the spoiler topic title, I tried to write it off as a weak joke - then I see it again today with Cyberboss's damage control title and so I knew the spoilers were real.

I'm not grabbing a pitchfork but it was astoundingly poor judgment.
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Post by CitrusGender » #367036

holy fuck this thread is an absolute joke
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Post by CPTANT » #367044

CitrusGender wrote:holy fuck this thread is an absolute joke
Seems like a legit complaint to me.
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Post by CitrusGender » #367045

CPTANT wrote:
CitrusGender wrote:holy fuck this thread is an absolute joke
Seems like a legit complaint to me.
No, the complaint is fine, the thread itself is a joke.
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by Rustledjimm » #367155

I feel like this time he has taken it a step too far.

You can go
>but it's just a film
as much as you want but it's a dick move regardless and this isn't your first instance of doing it. You can troll but being a twat about it is where you have to say stop.
So uhh, I'm an admin. Please leave feedback! Oops took me a while to strike that through.

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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by duncathan » #367185

The average coder would get no more than a verbal warning not to abuse the PR tracker for this even on the second or third (assuming lots of time in between) times. It's no different for oranges; he's been reprimanded but there is no reason for punitive action.

As far as I am aware there is no formal process for handling maintainer complaints and since the only true authority over maintainers is away, I will consider this matter resolved unless someone has serious outstanding concerns about the topic. I'll lock this thread in 24 hours.
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by beestorysuperman » #367187

Like I said in the ban appeal, I'm sorry, I will try my best not to do so in the future.
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by BeeSting12 » #367196

As long as oranges doesn't do it again, I'm happy. I feel like he knew better beforehand since he's received a ban for the exact same thing but I guess if he doesn't do it again then problem solved.
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Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg

DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day
[2020-05-21 01:21:48.923] SAY: Crippo/(Impala Chainee) "Shaggy Voice - She like... wants to get Eiffel Towered bro!!" (Brig (125, 166, 2))
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by CPTANT » #367226

He will do it again.
Timberpoes wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
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Re: maintainer complaint [oranges]

Post by onleavedontatme » #367289

BeeSting12 wrote:As long as oranges doesn't do it again, I'm happy. I feel like he knew better beforehand since he's received a ban for the exact same thing but I guess if he doesn't do it again then problem solved.
He does know better and I'll ban him if he does it again. It's been over two years since the last time though and he already got a three week server ban and an OOC permaban so I don't think anything further needs to happen at this time.
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