/tg/Station 13

I miss dwarves. Face the wrath of my skewium sword

Also chameleon guns are dead. Because they kept crashing the server and no one knew why. That sucks.

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/36185

^ Goofball's bizzare adventure that got closed because his computer died

Last old PR that needs to be mentioned

Mechanics. Where engineers and arrival space technicians could build space crafts with lasers that can fly around space.

a sec job to chase them also existed.

It exists on paradise and junk, but the /tg/ variant was pretty great as well. sad it didn't get full merged.

Shadowflame909 wrote:https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/36185

^ Goofball's bizzare adventure that got closed because his computer died

Get goofball's permission and start where he left off. It's not like the other examples where the creator wanted it gone, it crashes the game, or is really hard to fucking pull off.

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/43108


Golem commander bundle

No maintainer wanted to look at it. Sad.

Kryson wrote:https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/43108


Golem commander bundle

No maintainer wanted to look at it. Sad.

The fact that they openly said they wouldn't review it just to screw him is really lame.

Engipoints would have been a glorious addition that made the Department relevant beyond being a WMD depot for antags and free insulated gloves/toolbelt for would-be assistants too lazy to steal them.

The repair vehicle, Engi-shuttle, mannable/aimable emitters, the atmos market, remote shieldgen, advanced RCD/RLD, construction bomb, dance machine, etc. was the product of 100's of hours of work and was all fully functional without giving Engineering anything particularly potent in combat (emitters were just about it and they were mostly for blobs).

Then about a year later I tried a Box update that added directional map/ruin loading along with randomized ruin templates, several new flavor items, a THUNDERDOME(tm) Construction Device, cozy lounges for various departments, constructable steam vents (block vision but otherwise passable), and using the aforementioned upgraded map loading I gave Box maint several randomized rooms that could turn out as anything from an abandoned bathroom to an overgrown garden. It also included an art gallery where people could mount persistent canvases/photos but unfortunately persistent canvases had big issues with BYOND and would cause a crash on a busy server. After the crash I removed the canvases but still struggled to get anyone to testmerge and there was no interest in reviewing it - so all of the finished features ended up DED.

Oldman Robustin wrote:Engipoints would have been a glorious addition that made the Department relevant beyond being a WMD depot for antags and free insulated gloves/toolbelt for would-be assistants too lazy to steal them.

The repair vehicle, Engi-shuttle, mannable/aimable emitters, the atmos market, remote shieldgen, advanced RCD/RLD, construction bomb, dance machine, etc. was the product of 100's of hours of work and was all fully functional without giving Engineering anything particularly potent in combat (emitters were just about it and they were mostly for blobs).

Then about a year later I tried a Box update that added directional map/ruin loading along with randomized ruin templates, several new flavor items, a THUNDERDOME(tm) Construction Device, cozy lounges for various departments, constructable steam vents (block vision but otherwise passable), and using the aforementioned upgraded map loading I gave Box maint several randomized rooms that could turn out as anything from an abandoned bathroom to an overgrown garden. It also included an art gallery where people could mount persistent canvases/photos but unfortunately persistent canvases had big issues with BYOND and would cause a crash on a busy server. After the crash I removed the canvases but still struggled to get anyone to testmerge and there was no interest in reviewing it - so all of the finished features ended up DED.

I loved the randomized ruin template concept, and tried to use the code from it for a station goal thing, but never got it working without bugs.

Steam vents was still a top tier idea, even if some of the other things you included were questionable.

I would like to see the randomized rooms return. Sounds like an awesome feature, especially with multiz. We could have an awesome maint exploration level below the station.

Not feedback of features so moved to general

cobby we must know what PRs you liked that are dead

I'm pretty sure xhuis made a shadowling PR that reworked it into a solo main antag at one point. Got cancelled for the Nightmare side antag I think. Shame, since a new real solo antag would have been cooler imo

Oldman Robustin wrote:Then about a year later I tried a Box update that added directional map/ruin loading along with randomized ruin templates, several new flavor items, a THUNDERDOME(tm) Construction Device, cozy lounges for various departments, constructable steam vents (block vision but otherwise passable), and using the aforementioned upgraded map loading I gave Box maint several randomized rooms that could turn out as anything from an abandoned bathroom to an overgrown garden. It also included an art gallery where people could mount persistent canvases/photos but unfortunately persistent canvases had big issues with BYOND and would cause a crash on a busy server. After the crash I removed the canvases but still struggled to get anyone to testmerge and there was no interest in reviewing it - so all of the finished features ended up DED.

I'd love to see this, honestly. Especially with all the ssethtide newfags complaining about Box lately, it'd definitely give some more life to the OG main map.

Nabski wrote: I loved the randomized ruin template concept, and tried to use the code from it for a station goal thing, but never got it working without bugs.

Steam vents was still a top tier idea, even if some of the other things you included were questionable.

I think I saw someone try to add directional map loading too and said they couldn't get it working.

As I recall, map loading is changed every so often and that means the code becomes obsolete since it obviously wasn't being updated to reflect the changes. It had to accommodate two different map file types and it took a lot of testing to make sure the tiles were loading not only in the right order but also rotating them and all the objects on them correctly.

If I were to go back and try against I suspect I'd have to start completely from scratch.

Speaking of directional stuff, I'm a little bummed we never tested directional flashlights. I think it remains a really good IMMERSIVE idea for making dark places spooky, I really liked being able to "point" the flashlight just by clicking somewhere on screen too. The only issue I had left is that I could never quite perfect the lighting "cone", since the code had to accommodate lights of varying strength and range - some of the cones would end up looking irregular. I heard lighting code is being updated or something too so I'm reluctant to revisit that as well... but if I could do it again I would make it so that where the light's destination is where it is brightest and the "cone" is more dim (ex: this stockart I just dredged up https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... RtQRFT7w&s). The downside is that your tile is still dark unless you point the light at yourself or the floor next to you, but that makes it more realistic and solves the issue I was having with flashlight illumination being inconsistent on nearby tiles because of how BYOND lighting works (it only checks corners of turf).

Oldman Robustin wrote:

Nabski wrote: I loved the randomized ruin template concept, and tried to use the code from it for a station goal thing, but never got it working without bugs.

Steam vents was still a top tier idea, even if some of the other things you included were questionable.

I think I saw someone try to add directional map loading too and said they couldn't get it working.

As I recall, map loading is changed every so often and that means the code becomes obsolete since it obviously wasn't being updated to reflect the changes. It had to accommodate two different map file types and it took a lot of testing to make sure the tiles were loading not only in the right order but also rotating them and all the objects on them correctly.

If I were to go back and try against I suspect I'd have to start completely from scratch.

I got the loading to work, the issue was that I tied the loading into when it was announced and unlocked, but when it was a greenshift it unlocked all types. The answer was going to be some kind of base "spawned=0" check, but then I fucked up other things.

My first attempt was to follow closer to your footsteps and do it with ruins and that was just a nightmare, I ended up using a stationary location template like used for maint loot spawners.

deedubya wrote:

Oldman Robustin wrote:Then about a year later I tried a Box update that added directional map/ruin loading along with randomized ruin templates, several new flavor items, a THUNDERDOME(tm) Construction Device, cozy lounges for various departments, constructable steam vents (block vision but otherwise passable), and using the aforementioned upgraded map loading I gave Box maint several randomized rooms that could turn out as anything from an abandoned bathroom to an overgrown garden. It also included an art gallery where people could mount persistent canvases/photos but unfortunately persistent canvases had big issues with BYOND and would cause a crash on a busy server. After the crash I removed the canvases but still struggled to get anyone to testmerge and there was no interest in reviewing it - so all of the finished features ended up DED.

I'd love to see this, honestly. Especially with all the ssethtide newfags complaining about Box lately, it'd definitely give some more life to the OG main map.

yeah

So you're saying the loading worked but the issue was how to implement it?

As I recall I made it so that the functionality was controlled with a new argument for loading any map/template, with the default being the existing orientation (which was considered 'East' I think), so if you added a "South" argument it would load turned 90 degrees to the right with all the objects oriented to the right as well. What do you mean by greenshift?

Greenshift aka extended. It enables all station goals for purchase.

I tossed the loading and template selection/loading with the activation/announcement section.

I didn't bother with the rotation portion of things, it was just remapped to where the vault was and the vault was remapped to cargo.