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the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower of INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS towers

Postby lmwevil » Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:06 am #478226

yes it's that time of year again to bring up the most juicy and divisive bit of content /tg/ admins complain about


as a headmin would you change the nature of tgs leads, keep it the same, or remove it?



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Re: the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower of INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS towers

Postby BeeSting12 » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:07 pm #478341

It's useful to have a channel to gain insight from people who have been headmins in the past on something. I probably won't change it, but I also don't plan on blindly taking advice from the channel.
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Re: the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower of INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS towers

Postby Hulkamania » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:38 pm #478351

Reposting this from another thread:

'm not entirely sure I'd even want tgsleads to stay around if I had any say in the matter. I appreciate having a platform for a new headmin to ask questions on the technical end (how do I do X) but I don't like it existing for policy questions (what do you guys think about X).

I don't personally believe it was ever used in an ill-advised or unwelcome way, but we can't know that as players nor as administrators without being in the group, and that's something that can definitely be off putting.

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Postby iamgoofball » Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:35 pm #478381

As much as I'd love to go full transparency, it's clear that won't fly in full, so #tgsleads on irc will have to remain invite only.

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Postby subject217 » Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:54 pm #478387

I think the vast majority of concern that admins have with #tgs-leads is that it's used to exclude them from conversations where their input is valuable, which has been the case on multiple occasions in the past. But I don't think the answer is to remove it entirely. I think the answer is to handle it correctly and rationally as a headmin and keep the bigger picture in mind, and the wishes and concerns of the admin team. That being said, I can absolutely understand why it's valuable to have a channel exclusively of former headmins when it comes to dealing with things like admin drama, wherein it obviously can't directly be discussed with the entire admin team.

Also as a side note IRC #tgs-leads is fully dead, we are talking about the Discord channel.
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Postby iamgoofball » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:07 pm #478391

Oh, we're moving back to IRC for it when I'm elected. Discord is a shitty, unstable, insecure, literally owned by the chinese and Tencent platform. I give it a year before they accidentally leak all our info.

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Postby D&B » Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:23 am #478433

A fresh source of different perspectives. It should be treated as nothing less, and nothing more.
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Re: the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower of INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS towers

Postby Nervere » Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:41 am #478509

For context to those who don’t know: #tgs-leads is the channel where GameMasters (former headmins) give advice to current headmins.
I maintain that #tgs-leads is a good place to gain valuable insight from past headmins.
However, headmins should realize that the channel has its DO’s and DON’Ts:

DO:
• Use the channel to gather advice for something that requires the perspective of a former headmin.
• Confer with your admin team and other headmins before making any decisions based on the advice.
• Contextualize the advice you receive given what period the GameMaster was most active during.

DON’T
• Keep your team in the dark about what you’ve discussed in the channel. It will inevitably affect your judgement so disclosure is needed.
• Make decisions based solely on the advice in the channel. Use your own judgement and the advice of non-GM’s, too.
• Decide on something in the channel without consulting the admin team first.

I’m guilty of the last one. In the beginning of my term, I appointed the project leads for DMCA without consulting my admin team. I was lucky enough where Rohesie and Francinum ended up doing an excellent job on the project, but it doesn’t make it any better that I didn’t consult my admin team.


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