[oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

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[oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby Yakumo_Chen » Sat May 27, 2017 7:22 am #299456

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Time and Server(Bagil or Sybil) incident occurred: ~1-2 AM EST, May 27th, Bagil
Detailed summary:I was playing the AI, it was a pretty chaotic round. For most of the round (the part that was relevant) I was standard asimov AI.

During the round I witnessed a lot of harm and set people to arrest, as I was wont to do. In particular, however, security was being extremely bad. I watched the HoS shoot lasers at people, which I also reported harm for, and he had also at one point set every single assistant on the station to arrest for 'wearing grey', however I had not been watching him very closely as there was a lot going on (like the supermatter exploding, reports of traitors, reports of a mime with carp who had stolen the HoS gun I was trying to locate, etc). In particular was the dance machine Oranges had spawned, which was a big distraction for everyone.

At some point, I had put my view over the dance machine area just in time to witness a fight between a cargonian (I cannot remember the name) and the HoS. The fight was going badly for the HoS, however, and he got stunlocked and beat to death. This was the first murder I had personally witnessed for the round. I asked for security to help (they never came) as I interfered with the murderer attempting to space the HoS. I wasn't sure if he was totally dead but as the AI I tend to assume spacing corpses is bad in any case. I continued to stall for time for security to help but they did not, and eventually the cargonian managed to maint with the body.

Seeing as it was a murder, of security, no less, I thought it would be prudent to have him arrested at all costs. Eventually I managed to have my sole cyborg lock him down and have Armsky detain him. The borg cuffed and (after some theft of the murderer and yakkety sax) finally dragged him to perma where he could not harm anyone else, hopefully.

At this point, Oranges ahelped me asking why I had perma'd him. I explained that it was a Law 1 hazard and he had murdered the HoS. Oranges then suggested that I shouldn't have done that, as the HoS "deserved it" and then told me that the HoS had been shooting people with a combat shotgun near 'his' dance machine. I told him I had not witnessed that, so I couldn't act on it. I was the AI anyway, so whether murder is "deserved" or not has absolutely nothing to do with how I should act as an AI. At this point Oranges then threatened to gib me.

A little annoyed, I told Oranges he couldn't simply gib me for following AI laws, to which he responded "Or can I?". My response was to tell him to bring a real admin in and rule on it, as I know Oranges isn't actually an admin.

My complaint is Oranges should not have ahelp or be able to harass me in game for doing things he doesn't like, even if it's perfectly fair and within acceptable behavior for the role I was playing at the time (AI). As far as I'm aware, he isn't even an admin and should not be abusing admin tools to admonish me or act like an admin in the first place.



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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby imblyings » Sat May 27, 2017 7:27 am #299459

he's not an admin and shouldn't be handling these things
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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby DrPillzRedux » Sat May 27, 2017 9:21 am #299472

I've also had oranges randomly PM me asking why I'm killing someone or doing something.

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby oranges » Sat May 27, 2017 9:52 am #299476

it's oranges and the HoS deserved it and you were being a typical silicon autist.

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby oranges » Sat May 27, 2017 9:55 am #299477

imblyings wrote:he's not an admin and shouldn't be handling these things

I answer ahelps all the time, the fact you haven't noticed yet should indicate how few admins you have available in my timeslot

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby kevinz000 » Sat May 27, 2017 10:14 am #299485

The answer here is to train oranges as our newest trialministainer

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby oranges » Sat May 27, 2017 10:23 am #299486

I mean just so we're clear here, you were going to permanently detain someone from the round without even bothering to ask them what they did, or find any witnesses to the contrary, despite multiple crewmembers stating what the HoS did.

When did you forget the golden rule?

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby Nilons » Sat May 27, 2017 11:18 am #299498

I don't see a problem with oranges seeing ahelps and having admin powers, but if he wants to exercise them on people he doesnt know from the forums or irc that will understand he's just meming he needs to be held accountable. Or at least be put to the same expectations as an admin if he wants to act like an admin

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oranges wrote:I mean just so we're clear here, you were going to permanently detain someone from the round without even bothering to ask them what they did, or find any witnesses to the contrary, despite multiple crewmembers stating what the HoS did.

When did you forget the golden rule?


Even if youre 100% in the right its not your place to be adminning, and if you want to take it upon yourself to admin anyways you shouldnt be a snarky memelord while doing it. Even danno can keep his cool and not meme when hes adminning
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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby Thunder11 » Sat May 27, 2017 11:32 am #299502

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby Jacough » Sat May 27, 2017 12:28 pm #299512

Was the HoS talked to at all in PMs during these events? If not, someone should probably investigate why he was shooting at people with lasers and shotguns as well as setting every assistant on the station to arrest. Unless he actually had a good reason to do so, it sounds like he was going way beyond what is acceptable behavior, especially with a position that is supposed to be held to a higher standard

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby Yakumo_Chen » Sat May 27, 2017 12:52 pm #299515

oranges wrote:I mean just so we're clear here, you were going to permanently detain someone from the round without even bothering to ask them what they did, or find any witnesses to the contrary, despite multiple crewmembers stating what the HoS did.

When did you forget the golden rule?

I didn't have to ask him what he did, I saw him beat the HoS to death with a stun baton, that's literally all the proof I need to take action. When someone murders security I can be at least moderately sure 90% of the time he's a menace to other humans and needs to be locked away, especially when they soon afterwards attempt to space the body to prevent cloning.

The only things I heard in response to detaining him was him screaming borgs were rogue like the typical tide shit I usually see from people who murder sec and get dunked, so I don't have any IC or OOC reason to believe he's in any way 'justified'.

It's not like I left him to rot in a 1x1 walled in place either. If security thought he was justified somehow they could have released him themselves.

Also silicons are supposed to be autists, that's kind of par for the course when you're supposed to do nothing but follow your laws.

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby D&B » Sat May 27, 2017 1:17 pm #299523

What happened to the separation of code and administration.

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby kevinz000 » Sat May 27, 2017 1:35 pm #299527

D&B wrote:What happened to the separation of code and administration.

everyone who has said that non-jokingly had near absolute or atleast a great amount of power over both.

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby Haevacht » Sat May 27, 2017 4:08 pm #299544

Don't let me down on this guys, he's gonna send me a pizza.

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby Qbopper » Sat May 27, 2017 5:29 pm #299572

imblyings wrote:he's not an admin and shouldn't be handling these things


end of story tbh

like it's public knowledge that I dislike oranges but this is just the way it is, oranges is not an admin, don't act like one
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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby bman » Sat May 27, 2017 8:35 pm #299652

lmao you're all playing oranges game of life

this is all according to his plan and he knows it.

that makes him different from an asshole because unlike an asshole who thinks he's right and yet is being shit, oranges knows he's wrong and is still being shit so maybe he should be immune to repercussions by the sheer virtue of that he wants those repercussions to happen.

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby lzimann » Sat May 27, 2017 10:28 pm #299697

bman wrote:lmao you're all playing oranges game of life

this is all according to his plan and he knows it.

that makes him different from an asshole because unlike an asshole who thinks he's right and yet is being shit, oranges knows he's wrong and is still being shit so maybe he should be immune to repercussions by the sheer virtue of that he wants those repercussions to happen.


That's not how anything in the world works though. Just because someone is doing things for certain reactions, doesn't mean he should be immune to any consequence.

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby Lazengann » Sat May 27, 2017 11:09 pm #299717

Coders should not be able to do anything resembling admin activity

You idiots should have learned from aranclanos

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby Alex Crimson » Sat May 27, 2017 11:36 pm #299727

Cannot comment on the Ahelp stuff, but its pretty silly that when Oranges is around, he sets the players sprite of everyone to constantly spin, posts shitty Miku Frost feet porn on the lobby screen, changes OOC to the most puke-inducing colours and generally acts like some immature memer. That said, he is one of the only admins on at certain times, so i think its fine if he handles Ahelps, assuming he can keep to proper conduct, and it may be another admin doing all that previously mentioned shit.

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby kevinz000 » Sat May 27, 2017 11:51 pm #299732

i could of stopped him if i had my sound back

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby ShadowDimentio » Sat May 27, 2017 11:55 pm #299737

He's not an admin, shouldn't ever be acting like one, and absolutely shouldn't be fucking with the server unless it's for testing or whatever the fuck coder titled people do.

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby MrStonedOne » Sun May 28, 2017 12:09 am #299740

People with the coder rank (the fruit rank is an alias of coder) should not be answering policy ahelps, only technical/mechanical ahelps, and they should not be sending admin pms questioning as to why people did things.
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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby bman » Sun May 28, 2017 4:42 am #299826

lzimann wrote:
bman wrote:lmao you're all playing oranges game of life

this is all according to his plan and he knows it.

that makes him different from an asshole because unlike an asshole who thinks he's right and yet is being shit, oranges knows he's wrong and is still being shit so maybe he should be immune to repercussions by the sheer virtue of that he wants those repercussions to happen.


That's not how anything in the world works though. Just because someone is doing things for certain reactions, doesn't mean he should be immune to any consequence.


it's irrational but it's just a thought

maybe but since he's trying to trigger people yakumo should've just ignored it because this is literally what he wants

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Re: [oranges] YakumoChen - ahelp abuse and threats

Postby imblyings » Sun May 28, 2017 8:57 am #299863

I think we've gone through what needs to be said

It's unfortunate that we don't have admins on at certain times but we require non-admins to not do admin things.
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