/tg/Station 13

Byond account and character name: Yakumo_Chen, Blazing S.T.A.R.
Admin: Thunder12345
Time and Server(Bagil or Sybil) incident occurred: Round 75108 2017-8-23, ~9:00PM, Bagil
Detailed summary:
I was a malf AI. Was discovered as malf early but convinced heads of staff to not kill me through rigorous roleplay. Borg moved my core into space so I wouldn't be found. I had a plan to have a borg mine and spam SM shards around the station but it quickly failed. Someone built a PHAZON. Laugh and assume control of it. Hack more APCs until the shuttle comes and buy Doomsday, which works because my AI core is in the mech (which is on station).

I yakkety sax for an untold amount of time to try and get the doomsday timer, it felt like 10 minutes at least. The timer is normally 5 minutes. Eventually I get caught in space because the SM exploded under my feet and I couldn't move (the mech survived intact surprisingly) and for the only time of the entire time I was saxxing, I saw a timer for my doomsday counter. 120 seconds.

Being as I couldn't move in space, I eventually got killed.

Afterwards I was told Thunder didn't like my "Mech Code Cheese" and had reset the timer not once but twice, denying me my Doomsday Boom that I deserved twice over by that point.

Fucking with my antagging because "he doesn't like it" isn't fair, and no rules were broken by doing so.

I can maybe understand resetting it once because I was saxxing so hard. Murderboners often get ERTs called on them but the only thing I was doing was trying to wait out a timer that would end the round.

I obviously didn't have a chance fighting against a crew with hardsuits, ion guns, jackhammers, and jetpacks, but he extended it YET ANOTHER five minutes on top of it to make it even more impossible to get it off. By the point I died I was running at about 10% power and had expected the timer to go off much, much earlier (my cell would have lasted five or even 10 minutes).

Admins never extend the nuke ops timer for any reason, why should I get unfair treatment?

[09:41:38]ADMIN: Thunder12345/(Emily Vargas) modified The doomsday device's detonation_timer to 66032

only see one timer edit in the logs, although this is the first I've heard of mech code being bad used as a reason for admins to intervene in a game.

Thunder also edited a gps into the mech and made a command report about it, maybe that is the second action Yakumo was thinking of

I gave the crew a chance because the mech was a phazon that even with endgame gear nobody could actually keep up with because it just kept phasing through walls.

Why does the crew deserve a chance if they let it grow to that level of power?

admins shouldn't be giving players a chance, if the antag has outsmarted or out-powergamed them all then that's ss13 for you

if someone was intentionally killing off everyone and delaying the round, yes but I don't think yakumo was doing that

It's a borderline exploit from what I can see, since the AI was actually hiding off the z-level, and was only able to trigger the doomsday because mech hijack physically teleports the core into the mech.

There's a line between giving a chance (which the crew didn't deserve) and fucking with someone, and it was clearly crossed here.

If you're gonna adminbus for every case of players discovering new ways to use mechanics, why even bother doing AI gimmicks if I know an admin will fuck with me for not using what would be the equivalent of an AI ebow+esword?

D&B wrote: If you're gonna ban for every case of players discovering new ways to use mechanics, why even bother doing AI gimmicks if I know an admin will fuck with me for not using what would be the equivalent of an AI ebow+esword?

Just want to clarify there was no ban here.

Yeah my bad, brain farted there, corrected

Thunder11 wrote:I gave the crew a chance because the mech was a phazon that even with endgame gear nobody could actually keep up with because it just kept phasing through walls.

You don't see how it would feel unfair and frustrating to spend an hour in a round and an admin randomly logs in during the last five minutes and kills you because they take personal offense to your playstyle?

Yeah, in hindsight I can see how it looks that way, but at the time it looked pretty shitty and explot-like that an AI hiding in a phazon could run around nuking the station, at no risk to itself because the real core was hidden in deep space.

D&B wrote:Why does the crew deserve a chance if they let it grow to that level of power?

To what level of power are you revering to? All that is needed is the crew building a phazon and the AI having enough points for mech takeover.

Was an issue report made of this? It seems like it is clearly unintended code behaviour.

Action like this drives antagonists to the same cookie cutter boring tactics constantly because at least when you go around eswording people to death the admins just send ERTs rather than actively cancel your abilities so you can't win

CPTANT wrote:Was an issue report made of this? It seems like it is clearly unintended code behaviour.

large parts of what makes ss13 interesting is that such things are possible, due to interactions of systems where we don't try very hard to police the boundaries of what is actually possible

am I missing something or is this not the point of "mech control"? What else are you suppose to use "mech control" for if not to control a mech?

Also does the pinpointer not point towards the AI anymore while doomsdaying?

If the pinpointer points towards, the AI, I was unaware of that. It would be nice if it did.

Hello! I am posting here because I need to clarify that Viral Mech Domination and Doomsday working is entirely intended! You are supposed to use the pinpointer to find the AI! Building a Phazon to fight the AI when they KNOW THAT IT IS ROGUE is on them, in my opinion. Anyway, I just wanted to say that Doomsday + Mech showdowns are something I wanted to happen. You are even instructed to not leave the Z-level when you move to the mech.

IT IS NOT AN EXPLOIT!

Takeover of [name] complete! You are now loaded onto the onboard computer. Do not attempt to leave the station sector.

Thunder is asked to refrain from intervening in rounds like they did in the future. Players should be allowed to experiment with the very interactive nature of the game and consider the fairness of their actions from a players pov. Finally, players shouldn't come to and most likely don't currently expect admins to intervene in these situations.