[Paxilmaniac] - All of manuel at the time. Spawning Super blob and forcing Cramped map

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[Paxilmaniac] - All of manuel at the time. Spawning Super blob and forcing Cramped map

Postby carshalash » Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:34 am #597076

When and where this incident occured (Game Server, forums, Discord): Manuel 159480
Byond account and character name OR Discord name: Too many to list
Admin: Paxilmaniac
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE: 159480

Logs here https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/manuel/data/logs/2021/04/02/round-159480/

Detailed summary: After seeing the crew stop a space dragon during a rather eventful round, a dragon that fucking paxil spawned.
[2021-04-03 00:17:28.107] ADMIN: 00:17:28.107] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) has triggered an event. (Spawn Space Dragon)
[2021-04-03 00:27:21.223] EMOTE: 00:27:21.223] EMOTE: Y0SH1_M4S73R/(The Dragon) screeches as its wings turn to dust and it collapses on the floor, its life extinguished. (Chapel (181,137,4))

Just a minute after the death, paxilmaniac kept going and decided to spawn in a blob.
[2021-04-03 00:28:42.562] ADMIN: 00:28:42.562] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) has triggered an event. (Blob)


But it doesn't stop there! For some reason, they saw fit to edit the point gen rate of the blob to be 2.5x and eventually 3.5x as powerful as it normally is! Here is logs of it in game and random admission to it in the discord?
[2021-04-03 00:31:30.822] ADMIN: 00:31:30.822] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) modified Blazing Oil's point_rate_bonus from 0 to 5
[2021-04-03 00:35:20.372] ADMIN: 00:35:20.372] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) modified Blazing Oil's point_rate from 2 to 5
[2021-04-03 00:38:53.848] ADMIN: 00:38:53.848] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) modified Cryogenic Poison's point_rate from 2 to 7
Spoiler:
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After fucking with the 50 pop station by smashing buttons to try to end the round, we find out the reason why. The map gets force voted by paxil to be Isstation, an incredibly cramped map with no cameras and missing many things, it was very clearly not fit for a pop of this size. At the time of this taking place, Paxils home server of bagil was at 20 pop while manuel was at 51. A little bit of an increase on both sides from the screenshot here. Terry was also at a pretty lowpop at the time as well which would have made it a better fit, picking one of the two high pop servers was 100% a wrong choice.
Spoiler:
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I'm wondering, why you saw fit to do this on a server that had a high pop count and ongoing round. People were enjoying themselves and doing their own thing, two events were forced to end this fun as quickly as possible and one of them was buffed WAY too much. IF you wanted to buff an antag to be incredibly strong, why didn't you do it for one of the roundstart syndicates or heretics instead of ruining their antag rounds? Not cool dude.



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Re: [Paxilmaniac] - All of manuel at the time. Spawning Super blob and forcing Cramped map

Postby Owegno » Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:46 am #597077

I'll be posting the full admin logs for the round (including ASAY as there is some stuff in there that is relevant and does make the situation a bit more complex) but one important thing I'd like to note immediately is that Paxil is the person who made ISS. They chose to end a round for self serving reasons as they wanted to test their map and refused to wait for the players to finish up their round first.

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[Paxilmaniac] Manuel - Button Pushing to force ISS

Postby kinnebian » Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:49 am #597078

When and where this incident occured (Game Server, forums, Discord): In-game, Manuel
Byond account and character name OR Discord name: Kinnebian, Adam Fisher
Admin: Paxilmaniac
Round ID: 159480
Detailed Summary:
Crew were dealing with a malfunctioning, delta AI. Paxilmaniac decides to spawn in a space dragon admist the malfunctioning AI the crew were dealing with.
12:17:28 ADMIN Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) has triggered an event. (Spawn Space Dragon)

The malfunctioning AI is carded and wiped, crew rejoice. Dragon is relatively new, and dies soon after. Paxil then spawns in a blob, seeing that the dragon died.
12:28:42 ADMIN Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) has triggered an event. (Blob)

This not being enough, he increases the point rate of the blob from 2 to 5, then 2 to 7, effectively giving them free resource nodes.
12:35:20 ADMIN Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) modified Blazing Oil's point_rate from 2 to 5
12:36:46 ADMIN Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) checked the individual player panel for I Hate Geese/(Chris Mclean).
12:37:31 ADMIN Owegno/(Luvenia Afriel) checked antagonists.
12:38:53 ADMIN Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) modified Cryogenic Poison's point_rate from 2 to 7

After the blob wins with flying colours, OOC learns about this admin interference and expresses their distate, including antags who have been wrongfully swiped of their greentext.
12:50:46 OOC Goshflipheck/(Donny Kars) "cucked from my greentext because admins wanted a restart?"
12:50:13 OOC I Hate Geese/(Chris Mclean) "I JUST WANT TO CONTRACT"
12:50:22 OOC NotVerySmart/(Alfred Harlus III) "admin gave blob free shit
12:50:25 OOC NotVerySmart/(Alfred Harlus III) "fuck admins smh"
12:50:28 OOC Owegno/(Luvenia Afriel) "Paxil decided to give it 5 free nodes because they wanted to run ISS. From what I can tell from the admin logs they had been spamming events to try and end the round."

I am questioning Paxil's reasoning when he forces a 50 pop server (which he is barely active on) onto the ISS, a disliked and cramped map made by Paxil himself, when the server he normally plays on, being basil was much more suited for said map, being on a lower pop and all.
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Despite him saying so, the station was in fine condition before he forced a blob and buffed it.
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I find this behavior really questionable, and hope to get an answer for this.

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Re: [Paxilmaniac] - All of manuel at the time. Spawning Super blob and forcing Cramped map

Postby carshalash » Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:55 am #597081

Round ended. Here is the closing statement. Also because it's me, I have to mention that there were 0 cameras so the AI was just, sitting around being confused as to what the fuck they could do.

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Re: [Paxilmaniac] Manuel - Button Pushing to force ISS

Postby Farquaar » Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:50 am #597088

I was present for this round. I was helping the Captain and several other crewmembers with a BYOS project that we were working on all shift. I was very surprised to hear that the Blob was not only spawned by an admin right after the crew defeated the Malf AI and Space Dragon, but that it was hugely buffed as well.

When people understandably complained in OOC, Paxil replied:
Paxilmaniac: "April fools lasts a week"
Paxilmaniac: "April fools ends when the floor decals stop being rainbow colored"
Paxilmaniac: "Which happens next saturday"
Paxilmaniac: "Cry about it"
Paxilmaniac: "You didn't call the shuttle when half the station was dead and arrivals was charred beyond use"
Paxilmaniac: "This is your doing"

I was quite surprised, as the station was in great condition until the blob showed up and steamrolled everyone. So I did a little log-diving. What I found was that basically nobody was dead aside from antagonists. Here are all deaths (out of 55 players) that occurred before Paxil triggered the Blob. These can be verified from game.txt and attack.txt.
Spoiler:
Bobson Dugnutt died at 11:42. Revived at 11:51

Quinn Scott died at 11:43. He was a traitor, and logged out right after at 11:44.

Joachim Straub died at 11:58. Revived at 12:00

Khachatur Fox died at 11:52. Revived at 12:06

Joey Petunia died at 12:10. Revived at 12:21

Tucker Throne died at 12:09. Revived at 12:26

Paxil triggers Space Dragon at 12:17

D.O.N.G.L.E. destroyed at 12:21 while serving a malf AI.

Lance Zalack died at 12:23. Chose to respawn as an Abductor.

Adam Fisher died at 12:23. Revived at 12:29.

Space Dragon died at 12:27.

ANDROMEDA wiped at 12:28:39. It was a malf AI.

Paxil triggers blob at 12:28:42.

So if I understand this correctly, the crew struggles with but ultimately succeeds against multiple round-ending antags. The crew rejoices. Paxil immediately spawns a blob and buffs it so it steamrolls the crew, so they can jam ~50 players into a tiny lowpop custom map that they made.

Paxil was dead-set on forcibly ending a memorable and dynamic round because they wanted to "prank" everyone by forcing them to play a crappy map of their own design. When people called them out on it, they doubled down, talked down to everyone, and lied about the reason they chose to end the round. This was a thoughtless and malicious intervention that did not benefit the round, nor make the game more fun for anyone. It was dickish behaviour and I would appreciate it they apologized.

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Re: [Paxilmaniac] - All of manuel at the time. Spawning Super blob and forcing Cramped map

Postby Paxilmaniac » Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:50 am #597089

It's late and I'm heading off to bed, but I'll leave this information out there so you can get the full story.
Detailed summary: After seeing the crew stop a space dragon during a rather eventful round, a dragon that fucking paxil spawned.
[2021-04-03 00:17:28.107] ADMIN: 00:17:28.107] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) has triggered an event. (Spawn Space Dragon)
[2021-04-03 00:27:21.223] EMOTE: 00:27:21.223] EMOTE: Y0SH1_M4S73R/(The Dragon) screeches as its wings turn to dust and it collapses on the floor, its life extinguished. (Chapel (181,137,4))

I spawned the initial dragon for two main reasons, one I had a map to make sure ran smooth enough the next round, and two because the round had been going on for some time, with over half the antags dead and a quarter of the station on fire and or charred beyond use. The mass damage part especially, and the clear lack of either repairs being made or a shuttle being called was why I chose to give a reason to hurry the round up.

This dragon then got owned in record time (the fastest I have seen manuel players handle something for the record), and had killed either nobody, or very few people. This prompted the blob spawn.
[2021-04-03 00:28:42.562] ADMIN: 00:28:42.562] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) has triggered an event. (Blob)


But it doesn't stop there! For some reason, they saw fit to edit the point gen rate of the blob to be 2.5x and eventually 3.5x as powerful as it normally is! Here is logs of it in game and random admission to it in the discord?
[2021-04-03 00:31:30.822] ADMIN: 00:31:30.822] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) modified Blazing Oil's point_rate_bonus from 0 to 5
[2021-04-03 00:35:20.372] ADMIN: 00:35:20.372] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) modified Blazing Oil's point_rate from 2 to 5
[2021-04-03 00:38:53.848] ADMIN: 00:38:53.848] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) modified Cryogenic Poison's point_rate from 2 to 7


I buffed the blob's point rate because of both the ability sec had to simply curbstomp threats easily as shown by what happened with the dragon, and the fact that default point rate blob gets destroyed relatively easily on 50+ pop, which is what Manuel had at the time.

After fucking with the 50 pop station by smashing buttons to try to end the round, we find out the reason why. The map gets force voted by paxil to be Isstation, an incredibly cramped map with no cameras and missing many things, it was very clearly not fit for a pop of this size. At the time of this taking place, Paxils home server of bagil was at 20 pop while manuel was at 51. A little bit of an increase on both sides from the screenshot here. Terry was also at a pretty lowpop at the time as well which would have made it a better fit, picking one of the two high pop servers was 100% a wrong choice.

Saying force voted here implies there was a map vote currently in progress or that there had been one, which there wasn't, and there never was. The map was designed to be small, if I wanted it to be a serious non-event map, I wouldn't have wasted two days making the entire ISS for an autistic spaceman game. Some of the things missing is why I was there and wanted the round prior to end quicker than the usual, because I needed to be there to fix things that arose and broke. Picking Manuel as the server to do this event on wasn't entirely my choice, the head admin that testmerged it and did the config work for me chose Manuel at the start of this because it was deemed as the server we could trust the most not to instantly ruin it.

I'm wondering, why you saw fit to do this on a server that had a high pop count and ongoing round. People were enjoying themselves and doing their own thing, two events were forced to end this fun as quickly as possible and one of them was buffed WAY too much. IF you wanted to buff an antag to be incredibly strong, why didn't you do it for one of the roundstart syndicates or heretics instead of ruining their antag rounds? Not cool dude.

The reason this was on Manuel was stated above. While the events I chose were likely not the best way to go about it, there was a reason I didn't choose any of the current antags to buff or help, and that was because most were doing either extremely little or absolutely nothing, and I didn't exactly have high confidence in them to say the least.

I mostly play on and moderate the non-european lrp servers, and I'm not entirely used to what Manuel considers normal or acceptable. I'll wake up tomorrow and probably wonder why the hell I did any of this. I made a mistake and misjudged over 50 people's ability to kill a stationary object, so forgive me, nobody's perfect.
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Re: [Paxilmaniac] - All of manuel at the time. Spawning Super blob and forcing Cramped map

Postby Paxilmaniac » Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:54 am #597090

carshalash wrote:Round ended. Here is the closing statement. Also because it's me, I have to mention that there were 0 cameras so the AI was just, sitting around being confused as to what the fuck they could do.

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I wasn't gonna say anything else tonight, but don't act like I didn't do anything to resolve the issues. The ai was given a shell within the first few minutes because of the camera problem.
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Re: [Paxilmaniac] - All of manuel at the time. Spawning Super blob and forcing Cramped map

Postby Owegno » Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:39 am #597104

Relevant Admin and ASAY logs for Round 159480 are below. I've cut out a large amount of ASAY that was either redundant or irrelevant for this appeal and given that ASAY is a confidential channel I don't wish to reveal more than is necessary. If a headmin thinks I should include the entirety of the ASAY logs for the rounds I can post them though. Any admin is also free to check the ASAY logs to make sure I am not missing anything or leaving out context, I don't believe I am but I can never be certain. Link to the raw logs: https://tgstation13.org/raw-logs/manuel ... 0/game.log

Spoiler:
This is at roundstart, Paxil laments being unable to run ISS in the current round.
[2021-04-02 23:33:35.221] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "i was gonna do multi-z iss this round" (Capture the Flag (192,217,1))
[2021-04-02 23:33:45.599] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "but it conflicted with the map testermged last round" (Capture the Flag (192,217,1))

Paxil decides to end the round about 45 minutes in.
[2021-04-03 00:16:31.772] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "now" (Central Primary Hallway (130,134,4))
[2021-04-03 00:16:43.425] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "i need to run something next round" (Central Primary Hallway (101,141,4))
[2021-04-03 00:16:49.125] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "but its manuel so the round will never end" (Port Primary Hallway (91,141,4))
[2021-04-03 00:16:53.803] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "solution, press buttons" (Central Primary Hallway (97,135,4))

They spawn a space dragon.
[2021-04-03 00:17:28.107] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) has triggered an event. (Spawn Space Dragon)

Jimmius logs in, announced that Manuel is now good to go on ISS.
[2021-04-03 00:24:11.725] ACCESS: Mob Login: Jimmius/(Jimmius) was assigned to a /mob/dead/new_player
[2021-04-03 00:26:41.436] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Jimmius/(Clyde Thunderpants) "ISS is TM'd and manuel's config is updated" (Security Office (121,172,4))
[2021-04-03 00:26:53.199] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Jimmius/(Clyde Thunderpants) "should be good for a cheeky reboot next lobby" (Brig Control (116,173,4))

Paxil laments that the dragon they spawned and the AI going delta failed to end the round and talks with Jimmius about the situation, during this Paxil spawns the blob.
[2021-04-03 00:27:39.814] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "a dragon and a delta from the ai" (Chapel (182,134,4))
[2021-04-03 00:27:41.459] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "but" (Chapel (182,134,4))
[2021-04-03 00:27:43.907] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "NO SHUTTLE" (Chapel (182,134,4))
[2021-04-03 00:27:46.223] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "FUCK YOU" (Chapel (182,134,4))
[2021-04-03 00:28:09.240] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Jimmius/(Clyde Thunderpants) "and it's icebox so you can't meteor" (Kitchen (151,135,4))
[2021-04-03 00:28:16.557] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "i was about to press the xenos button but last time I saw xenos on manuel" (Chapel (182,134,4))
[2021-04-03 00:28:25.412] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "they actually fucking rp'd with the xenos" (Chapel (182,134,4))
[2021-04-03 00:28:29.571] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "manuel players suck" (Chapel (182,134,4))
[2021-04-03 00:28:31.170] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Jimmius/(Clyde Thunderpants) "manuel cares not for your admin bussing" (Starboard Bow Maintenance (169,149,4))
[2021-04-03 00:28:42.562] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) has triggered an event. (Blob)
[2021-04-03 00:28:44.192] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Jimmius/(Clyde Thunderpants) "press all the buttons you like, the shuttle isn't getting called" (Chapel (185,147,4))
[2021-04-03 00:28:48.442] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "rp this fucker" (Starboard Primary Hallway (161,129,4))

This is before the blob has put its core down.
[2021-04-03 00:31:30.822] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) modified Blazing Oil's point_rate_bonus from 0 to 5

This is after the blob has put its core down but before people are fighting it.
[2021-04-03 00:35:20.372] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) modified Blazing Oil's point_rate from 2 to 5

I express that I don't think buffing the blob is a good idea, Paxil even agrees its not a good idea.
[2021-04-03 00:35:27.119] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "we do a little trolling" (Primary Tool Storage (74,148,4))
[2021-04-03 00:35:47.013] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Owegno/(Luvenia Afriel) "I doubt that is a good idea." (Primary Tool Storage (77,146,4))
[2021-04-03 00:35:54.644] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "its not" (Fore Maintenance (79,153,4))
[2021-04-03 00:35:57.285] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) "but i dont care" (Fore Maintenance (80,153,4))

After the blob rerolls into another strain and removes the buffs Paxil gave it they buff it again.
[2021-04-03 00:38:53.848] ADMIN: Paxilmaniac/(Cydia Ferrilinea) modified Cryogenic Poison's point_rate from 2 to 7


Edit: Removed most of my post as it was way too peanut-y in hindsight.

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Re: [Paxilmaniac] Manuel - Button Pushing to force ISS

Postby Jaredfogle » Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:33 am #597113

If you want to figure out the dead crew thing in specific, a good question to ask is how many people were observing? It's possible there were a lot of observers, and they mistook it for a lot of dead crew.
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Re: [Paxilmaniac] Manuel - Button Pushing to force ISS

Postby iamgoofball » Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:37 am #597114

Jaredfogle wrote:If you want to figure out the dead crew thing in specific, a good question to ask is how many people were observing? It's possible there were a lot of observers, and they mistook it for a lot of dead crew.

Observers are listed separately from dead players on Check Antagonists, IIRC? I know multiple different places in the admin tools specify the difference between observers and dead players.

Surely, Paxilmaniac was properly trained by an admin trainer to use this information.

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Re: [Paxilmaniac] Manuel - Button Pushing to force ISS

Postby Jaredfogle » Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:45 am #597117

I am questioning Paxil's reasoning when he forces a 50 pop server (which he is barely active on) onto the ISS, a disliked and cramped map made by Paxil himself, when the server he normally plays on, being basil was much more suited for said
map, being on a lower pop and all.


WRT this, I copy the response from the other thread.

Paxilmaniac wrote:Picking Manuel as the server to do this event on wasn't entirely my choice, the head admin that testmerged it and did the config work for me chose Manuel at the start of this because it was deemed as the server we could trust the most not to instantly ruin it.


An important thing to realize is that this wasn't an admin simply uploading the map. This was a test merge, which can only be done by key holders, a round in advance, which Paxil is not.
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Re: [Paxilmaniac] - All of manuel at the time. Spawning Super blob and forcing Cramped map

Postby iamgoofball » Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:17 am #597124

So, regarding the blob point generation, I decided to test it on a local server.

You literally cannot naturally get 9 to 10 point generation(which is what Paxil gave the blob with the 5+5 and the 2+7 after the reroll) every blob tick without the game ending due to blob reaching critical mass, due to the distance requirements on Nodes and Resources.

I had to start quickly taking pictures of my immense girth taking up all of the Kitchen, the Theater, the Hydroponics Bay, and maintenance behind it all on Metastation before the nuke went off and every tile got blob'd due to Critical Mass.
This was the size of a full department in just blob tiles.

Ignore the absurd point value, it does that when you reach critical mass since the game's over. I had to start screencapping then as I hadn't expected to reach critical mass just yet.
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It took me 19 minutes to reach that point, with zero players obstructing me and spending none of my points on factories, blob spores, blobbernauts, rerolls, or shield blobs because I was on an empty test server by myself.
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Paxilmaniac literally gave this blob more regen than a post end-game blob within the first four minutes of it being alive.

If this isn't an attempt by an admin to force end the round for personal gain(getting the ISS testmerge up faster), I don't know what is.

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Re: [Paxilmaniac] - All of manuel at the time. Spawning Super blob and forcing Cramped map

Postby Coconutwarrior97 » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:19 am #598960

Gonna merge these complaints into one since its for the same thing.

Paxil's map was merged by Jimmius, and Paxil had no effect on which server was chosen for the TM. Their actions were intended to hurry on the round, so their map could be played. We think the blob was tweaked to be a bit too strong, but believe thats more due to ignorance than malice.
Paxil has since resigned, but we believe its important to state that we don't believe they violated any admin conduct. That being said we think they way he went about it could have been better, and would have taken steps to discuss this with them.

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Coconutwarrior97: Do not uphold.
Jimmius: Do not uphold.
Naloac: Do not uphold


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