[ausops] Swagbringer - Impartial and abusive behaviour

[Swagbringer]

Byond account and character name: Swagbringer- Jingfei Zhao
Admin: ausops
Time and Server(Bagil or Sybil) incident occurred: 2017-07-10 17:45:33- Bagil I believe but I am not 100% sure
Detailed summary:

As captain I institute a rule that people who are rude should be killed(This isnt a ban appeal thread, thats other here https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12057) and in a predictable fashion people die and Ausops begins talking to me.

He immediately starts using an aggressive tone in his questioning, despite at that time not having a full picture of events. I explain my side of the story where his immediate reply is to inquire if I am drunk. I am a teetotaler by choice but what if I had been a Mormon or a muslim? Questions directed at a person private life are completely unnecessary for a game of ss13 and he had no right to ask that question.

He then insults me, despite me being completely respectful towards him, even though I disagreed strongly with the ban.

A central command summary went out stating that my character had bad breath, as a person who suffers from sporadic halitosis this was an extremely hurtful, uncalled for remark.

He then decides to determine my ban length by rolling a d6 dice. This is my biggest issue. Ban lengths should be given for a specific reason and not calculated on the fly. This is a totally unpredictable and nontransparent way of adminning that is ripe for favoritism and abuse. He should stream the results so people can see or flip 6 coins to not have such a variance of results at the very least( proper adminning would be best).

He announces the ban he is going to give me in another centcomm message, which I feel was quite petty and against general admin policy on bans (there was a vote about this that ended in july, if this has changed i will happily concede this point)

Finally he gives me a ban for 696969 minutes, an entirely inappropriate and sexist piece of adminning that again seems to be determined based on his humour rather than any sound reasoning.

In summary, ausops wasbeing unneccesarily petty and was adminning on his own personal whims, rather than on any good basis of decision making. I hope a head admin will respond to this.

[J_Madison]

I do not have positive experiences from or with you as a sec player.

You are frequently and typically delinquant, and difficult to work with regardless of your job roles that I've seen you play as.

Your name is among the many I generally keep an eye out for.

[Swagbringer]

I do not have positive experiences from or with you as a sec player.

You are frequently and typically delinquant, and difficult to work with regardless of your job roles that I've seen you play as.

Your name is among the many I generally keep an eye out for.

Im sorry, could you please clarify what you mean by delinquant, english is not my first language sorry

[J_Madison]

You frequently do shitty things, skirt the law, are difficult to work with, do things incorrectly.

[Armhulen]

You frequently do shitty things, skirt the law, are difficult to work with, do things incorrectly.

i don't understand why you're posting this is about a specific incident not his general behaviour

[Swagbringer]

You frequently do shitty things, skirt the law, are difficult to work with, do things incorrectly.

I dont think I do shitty things, what do you mean? I am also a fairly pleasant person most of the time(i can have my offdays though that is true yes)

[Swagbringer]

play stupid game win stupid prize

I am being very serious here, I strongly feel this was a breach of good faith by ausops, please dont make silly comments thank you!

[danno]

I am also being serious
you instated a rule at roundstart that anyone with a brain would realise "hmmm this isn't something I should do, it's probably going to cause problems and get me in trouble"
you did it anyway
you got in trouble

don't be a dumbass next time

ps. you're not pleasant at all

[bman]

Your name is among the many I generally keep an eye out for.

You have admitted to metagaming.

I can somewhat confirm this happening without having full logs, here is what I could find:

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[17:44:10]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) has used rudimentary transformation on Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks). Transforming to human.; deletemob=1
[17:44:10]ACCESS: Mob Login: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human
[17:44:16]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) spawned /obj/item/weapon/dice/d6 at (171,48,1)
[17:44:23]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) admin ghosted.

[17:45:33]ACCESS: Logout: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao)

[MrStonedOne]

round 73091

[MrStonedOne]

bman: you must also post a link to the log when posting from public logs

[Swagbringer]

I am also being serious
you instated a rule at roundstart that anyone with a brain would realise "hmmm this isn't something I should do, it's probably going to cause problems and get me in trouble"
you did it anyway
you got in trouble

don't be a dumbass next time

ps. you're not pleasant at all

Please stop with the insults.

This is not the ban appeal thread. I am questioning ausops basis of decision making and his general attitude at the time.

[danno]

fair enough, carry on with your admin complain

[bman]

bman: you must also post a link to the log when posting from public logs

https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... /game.html

[MrStonedOne]

Spoiler:

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	Line 625: [17:26:48]ACCESS: Login: Swagbringer from -CENSORED- || BYOND v511
	Line 626: [17:26:48]ACCESS: Mob Login: Swagbringer/(Swagbringer) was assigned to a /mob/dead/new_player
	Line 626: [17:26:48]ACCESS: Mob Login: Swagbringer/(Swagbringer) was assigned to a /mob/dead/new_player
	Line 633: [17:26:59]ACCESS: Mob Login: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human
	Line 677: [17:27:53]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : your both on my kill list (121,137,2)
	Line 696: [17:28:19]SAY: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) has made a priority announcement: Being rude is now a death sentence, thanks (120,135,2)
	Line 710: [17:28:33]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : kill jebediah on sight clown, order given (116,129,2)
	Line 737: [17:29:16]ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #3: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao): Why am i unable to purchase a shuttle? - heard by 1 non-AFK admins who have +BAN.
	Line 777: [17:30:09]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : ok (108,138,2)
	Line 780: [17:30:11]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : its fine (108,138,2)
	Line 783: [17:30:17]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : we can afford shitty stuff (107,136,2)
	Line 790: [17:30:23]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : but there should be a greyed out menu (107,136,2)
	Line 795: [17:30:28]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : even if we cant afford it (107,136,2)
	Line 799: [17:30:32]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : must be (105,136,2)
	Line 841: [17:31:12]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : henk (112,174,2)
	Line 951: [17:33:05]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : im sorry (78,137,2)
	Line 955: [17:33:09]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : but the rules are the rules (78,137,2)
	Line 1011: [17:34:11]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : fuck you all (109,208,2)
	Line 1016: [17:34:15]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : no one insults me (114,213,2)
	Line 1021: [17:34:21]ACCESS: Mob Login: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
	Line 1060: [17:34:39]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : i win jeb, i win (132,168,2)
	Line 1084: [17:35:02]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : it wasnt at random (145,245,2)
	Line 1094: [17:35:15]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks)->Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao): what happened to the cargotech and miner
	Line 1096: [17:35:18]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : i killed jeb cause he was rude, i killed you because you tried to disarm me when i had my gun out (145,245,2)
	Line 1203: [17:36:26]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao)->Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks): I insituted a rule that swearing was now a death sentence, Jebediah immediately threatened my rule by saying "fuck you" over the radio. I hunted him down and killed him like the dog he is, the cargotech tried to disarm me so i fucked him up too. Then i spaced me and the miner so no one would dare be rude again, thats the basic gist of it.
	Line 1220: [17:36:44]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks)->Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao): are you under the influence
	Line 1230: [17:36:55]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao)->Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks): Its like 6:30pm here no way
	Line 1281: [17:37:34]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : dont break the law (107,131,2)
	Line 1291: [17:37:39]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : and get upset when you get punished (107,131,2)
	Line 1333: [17:38:11]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks)->Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao): Making a silly law like that doesn't mean you get to kill people
	Line 1367: [17:38:42]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao)->Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks): it wasnt so much the law, as the fact he challenged my supreme authority. if you dont cut down all the small things, then next thing they are murderboning across the station
	Line 1560: [17:41:45]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : i enforced the stations law (119,170,2)
	Line 1570: [17:41:51]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : I AM THE LAW (119,170,2)
	Line 1584: [17:42:05]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : just look at this shitshow (117,170,2)
	Line 1587: [17:42:08]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : sec murdering ho (117,170,2)
	Line 1589: [17:42:09]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : hop (117,170,2)
	Line 1590: [17:42:11]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : a clown hos (117,170,2)
	Line 1592: [17:42:14]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : its madness (117,170,2)
	Line 1595: [17:42:16]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Captain for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1596: [17:42:16]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Head of Personnel for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1597: [17:42:16]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Head of Security for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1598: [17:42:16]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Chief Engineer for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1599: [17:42:16]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Research Director for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1600: [17:42:16]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Chief Medical Officer for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1614: [17:42:29]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Warden for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1615: [17:42:29]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Detective for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1616: [17:42:29]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Security Officer for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1621: [17:42:35]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : >fnr (106,136,2)
	Line 1636: [17:42:45]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : he literally broke the law i said how is that fnr (106,136,2)
	Line 1680: [17:43:22]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : just one asswipe (103,141,2)
	Line 1693: [17:43:28]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : who tried to start shit (103,141,2)
	Line 1740: [17:44:14]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : you do realise im dead right ausops? (124,153,2)
	Line 1774: [17:44:56]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : wew lad (124,153,2)
	Line 1820: [17:45:33]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) has banned swagbringer.
	Line 1821: Reason: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao)
	Line 1824: [17:45:33]ACCESS: Logout: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao)

[bman]

thanks, take care that this section of the log is not shown to everyone.

[BeeSting12]

For those who don't feel like doing math, he banned Swagbringer for 484 days. Which is an oddly specific number.

[MrStonedOne]

this is a more fuller picture:

Spoiler:

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	Line 633: [17:26:59]ACCESS: Mob Login: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human
	Line 677: [17:27:53]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : your both on my kill list (121,137,2)
	Line 696: [17:28:19]SAY: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) has made a priority announcement: Being rude is now a death sentence, thanks (120,135,2)
	Line 710: [17:28:33]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : kill jebediah on sight clown, order given (116,129,2)
	Line 737: [17:29:16]ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #3: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao): Why am i unable to purchase a shuttle? - heard by 1 non-AFK admins who have +BAN.
	Line 740: [17:29:23]ACCESS: Mob Login: Ausops/(ghost) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
	Line 743: [17:29:36]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) has used rudimentary transformation on Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks). Transforming to human.; deletemob=1
	Line 744: [17:29:36]ACCESS: Mob Login: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human
	Line 749: [17:29:41]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) spawned /obj/item/clothing/under/acj at (107,135,2)
	Line 761: [17:29:49]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) spawned /obj/item/weapon/card/id/captains_spare at (106,135,2)
	Line 774: [17:30:05]SAY: Allad Minsa Recucks (as Captain)/Ausops : dunno (106,135,2)
	Line 777: [17:30:09]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : ok (108,138,2)
	Line 778: [17:30:10]SAY: Allad Minsa Recucks (as Captain)/Ausops : can you even afford any (106,135,2)
	Line 780: [17:30:11]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : its fine (108,138,2)
	Line 783: [17:30:17]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : we can afford shitty stuff (107,136,2)
	Line 790: [17:30:23]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : but there should be a greyed out menu (107,136,2)
	Line 795: [17:30:28]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : even if we cant afford it (107,136,2)
	Line 796: [17:30:29]SAY: Allad Minsa Recucks (as Captain)/Ausops : might be disabled (106,134,2)
	Line 799: [17:30:32]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : must be (105,136,2)
	Line 800: [17:30:33]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) deleted Allad Minsa Recucks (as Captain) at (106, 134, 2)
	Line 801: [17:30:33]ACCESS: Mob Login: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
	Line 841: [17:31:12]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : henk (112,174,2)
	Line 951: [17:33:05]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : im sorry (78,137,2)
	Line 955: [17:33:09]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : but the rules are the rules (78,137,2)
	Line 1009: [17:34:09]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) checked antagonists.
	Line 1011: [17:34:11]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : fuck you all (109,208,2)
	Line 1016: [17:34:15]SAY: Jingfei Zhao/Swagbringer : no one insults me (114,213,2)
	Line 1021: [17:34:21]ACCESS: Mob Login: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
	Line 1060: [17:34:39]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : i win jeb, i win (132,168,2)
	Line 1084: [17:35:02]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : it wasnt at random (145,245,2)
	Line 1094: [17:35:15]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks)->Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao): what happened to the cargotech and miner
	Line 1096: [17:35:18]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : i killed jeb cause he was rude, i killed you because you tried to disarm me when i had my gun out (145,245,2)
	Line 1108: [17:35:30]ADMIN: DSAY: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kill a man because he was rude (94,92,2)
	Line 1112: [17:35:34]ADMIN: DSAY: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) : ?? (93,91,2)
	Line 1203: [17:36:26]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao)->Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks): I insituted a rule that swearing was now a death sentence, Jebediah immediately threatened my rule by saying "fuck you" over the radio. I hunted him down and killed him like the dog he is, the cargotech tried to disarm me so i fucked him up too. Then i spaced me and the miner so no one would dare be rude again, thats the basic gist of it.
	Line 1220: [17:36:44]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks)->Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao): are you under the influence
	Line 1230: [17:36:55]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao)->Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks): Its like 6:30pm here no way
	Line 1281: [17:37:34]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : dont break the law (107,131,2)
	Line 1288: [17:37:37]ADMIN: Ausops replied to Maciekkub/(Fulton Fuchs)'s Centcom message with the message We are currently investigating these two alleged murders, please assume the role of acting captain in the meantime..
	Line 1291: [17:37:39]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : and get upset when you get punished (107,131,2)
	Line 1333: [17:38:11]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks)->Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao): Making a silly law like that doesn't mean you get to kill people
	Line 1367: [17:38:42]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao)->Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks): it wasnt so much the law, as the fact he challenged my supreme authority. if you dont cut down all the small things, then next thing they are murderboning across the station
	Line 1432: [17:39:45]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks)->Mikey555/(Luke Gadow): what happened with Holly Lamont?
	Line 1448: [17:39:57]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Mikey555/(Luke Gadow)->Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks): i was merely following the captain's orders of "being rude is illegal"
	Line 1462: [17:40:12]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks)->Mikey555/(Luke Gadow): do server rules allow players to kill someone for merely being rude
	Line 1475: [17:40:24]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Mikey555/(Luke Gadow)->Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks): i believe the captain is at fault here for making this announcement: Being rude is now a death sentence, thanks
	Line 1520: [17:40:52]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) has created a command report: The captain, Jingfei Zhao, is hereby demoted to assistant. Any prior rulings made by them are now void under pain of bluespace artillery.
	Line 1559: [17:41:44]ADMIN: DSAY: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) : be fucking retarded that's what (77,141,2)
	Line 1560: [17:41:45]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : i enforced the stations law (119,170,2)
	Line 1570: [17:41:51]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : I AM THE LAW (119,170,2)
	Line 1584: [17:42:05]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : just look at this shitshow (117,170,2)
	Line 1587: [17:42:08]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : sec murdering ho (117,170,2)
	Line 1589: [17:42:09]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : hop (117,170,2)
	Line 1590: [17:42:11]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : a clown hos (117,170,2)
	Line 1592: [17:42:14]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : its madness (117,170,2)
	Line 1595: [17:42:16]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Captain for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1596: [17:42:16]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Head of Personnel for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1597: [17:42:16]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Head of Security for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1598: [17:42:16]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Chief Engineer for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1599: [17:42:16]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Research Director for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1600: [17:42:16]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Chief Medical Officer for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1614: [17:42:29]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Warden for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1615: [17:42:29]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Detective for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1616: [17:42:29]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) temp-jobbanned Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) from Security Officer for 696969 minutes.
	Line 1621: [17:42:35]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : >fnr (106,136,2)
	Line 1636: [17:42:45]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : he literally broke the law i said how is that fnr (106,136,2)
	Line 1680: [17:43:22]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : just one asswipe (103,141,2)
	Line 1693: [17:43:28]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : who tried to start shit (103,141,2)
	Line 1718: [17:43:52]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) has created a command report: We are also confining the captain to bluespace prison for one roll of a d6. Those who would like to attend the public dice rolling are welcome to attend in front of the brid- oh ok maybe not with bombs going off.
	Line 1725: [17:43:59]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) jumped to Thunderdome (Admin.)
	Line 1734: [17:44:10]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) has used rudimentary transformation on Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks). Transforming to human.; deletemob=1
	Line 1735: [17:44:10]ACCESS: Mob Login: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human
	Line 1740: [17:44:14]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : you do realise im dead right ausops? (124,153,2)
	Line 1743: [17:44:16]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) spawned /obj/item/weapon/dice/d6 at (171,48,1)
	Line 1752: [17:44:23]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) admin ghosted.
	Line 1753: [17:44:23]ACCESS: Mob Login: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
	Line 1765: [17:44:42]ADMIN: DSAY: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) : you have prior notes on being dumb as a head (168,49,1)
	Line 1769: [17:44:50]ADMIN: DSAY: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) : the d6 was to determine ban length (168,49,1)
	Line 1774: [17:44:56]SAY: Ghost/Swagbringer : wew lad (124,153,2)
	Line 1820: [17:45:33]ADMINPRIVATE: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) has banned swagbringer.
	Line 1821: Reason: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao)
	Line 1823: [17:45:33]ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket <A HREF='?_src_=holder;ahelp=[0x21000cee];ahelp_action=ticket'>#3</A> resolved by <a href='?priv_msg=ausops'>Ausops</a>/(Allad Minsa Recucks)
	Line 1824: [17:45:33]ACCESS: Logout: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao)
	Line 1952: [17:47:13]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) has created a command report: The ex-captain has been confined away from any space related for 4320 minutes. The detective is reminded under pain of death via bluespace artillery to not enforce any of the late captain's rulings.
	Line 1974: [17:47:31]ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket <A HREF='?_src_=holder;ahelp=[0x21000d59];ahelp_action=ticket'>#2</A> resolved by <a href='?priv_msg=ausops'>Ausops</a>/(Allad Minsa Recucks)
	Line 1976: [17:47:37]ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket <A HREF='?_src_=holder;ahelp=[0x210343c9];ahelp_action=ticket'>#4</A> resolved by <a href='?priv_msg=ausops'>Ausops</a>/(Allad Minsa Recucks)
	Line 1982: [17:47:40]ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket <A HREF='?_src_=holder;ahelp=[0x210344cc];ahelp_action=ticket'>#5</A> resolved by <a href='?priv_msg=ausops'>Ausops</a>/(Allad Minsa Recucks)
	Line 2003: [17:47:52]ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket <A HREF='?_src_=holder;ahelp=[0x21034450];ahelp_action=ticket'>#6</A> resolved by <a href='?priv_msg=ausops'>Ausops</a>/(Allad Minsa Recucks)
	Line 2016: [17:48:07]ADMIN: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks) has created a command report: We rolled a 4. That's 4 days or 4320 minutes.

[PKPenguin321]

While at a glance it would come off as really rude to handle the ban in a way that is so seemingly showy and IC, in this case I feel Ausops did the right thing. The reasoning for this is that what you did as captain basically royally fucked the round in a way that is past acceptable, which absolutely warrants a ban, but even with your death and banning the round will still be in utter chaos with infighting due to your actions while alive. Pretty much the only way to attempt to salvage the round is to approach it the way Ausops did.

The only thing I'm really taking issue with here is the bizarre ban lengths. I'm hoping Ausops can explain those here, otherwise I think it might be wise to retroactively fix them (although I'm sure that's being discussed in the ban appeal already which I am about to go read through).

[Swagbringer]

The antagonist clown being made how is what ruined the round in my opinion, but if that's your ruling then that's that.

I have to go to sleep now it's pretty late, thank you all very much for looking into this.

[TheColdTurtle]

Why are admins scared to just perma bad players like this? If they are certifiably shit like this guy just lock the threads at the start lol.

[Karp]

While the say based conduct could be construed as negative, you must understand that context, behaviour, and severity affect the length of a ban.

A player fucking up and killing someone for the first time out of being new/a huge mistake/lack of context will not be subject to the same level of punishment as someone who is consistently causing frustration with notes indicating that most of their behaviour is malicious while refusing to learn/understand that they're wrong.

While the banlength is a bit long and may as well be a perma, you have to understand that a consistent thing has been that ban lengths are based on context, admins, and the situation. Some admins may ban you from actions where others may warn you. Admins are all fallible humans managing fallible players, so you will generally get different reactions in return for your behaviour as a result. A consistent ban timer for all circumstances is not possible without rigid and strict rules for lording over people.

While ausops was also a bit severe in other aspects, you have to understand that a combination of notes+severity caused what happened to you. The duration is likely be reduced, but I advise you to take this time to reflect and think on how bad what you've done is and what caused you to even catch a ban that long to prevent it from happening in the future. If you can't see why your behaviour lead to every negative thing that happened, then you're marching your way into even longer punishments and less leniency regardless of if ausops acted over the line or not.

[imblyings]

>complaining about admins asking you if you're under the influence

lmao do you get offended when a police officer asks you if you're under the influence when you do stupid shit irl? do you make a complaint saying the police officer mortally wounded your feelings by not thinking you might be a muslim or mormon? get the fuck out

oh my god I just read the logs

I was perfectly impartial and neutral starting out

Line 1094: [17:35:15]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks)->Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao): what happened to the cargotech and miner

only for you to hit me with concentrated dumb

Line 1203: [17:36:26]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao)->Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks): I insituted a rule that swearing was now a death sentence, Jebediah immediately threatened my rule by saying "fuck you" over the radio. I hunted him down and killed him like the dog he is, the cargotech tried to disarm me so i fucked him up too. Then i spaced me and the miner so no one would dare be rude again, thats the basic gist of it.

I'm right now because a player has just said they've instituted a ''rule''''''' as a non-antag that means they get to kill any non-antags for the most vaguest of things and it clicks in my mind that the player has also been dumb enough to kill not one but two people over this. I am not prepared for a player to be this dumb at such a late hour so I am looking for reasons as to why a player might do this, so I ask if you are under the influence

Line 1220: [17:36:44]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks)->Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao): are you under the influence
Line 1230: [17:36:55]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao)->Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks): Its like 6:30pm here no way

you say you aren't and I can't test your BAC over the internet but it doesn't matter because you follow up with this lovely reply

Line 1367: [17:38:42]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao)->Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks): it wasnt so much the law, as the fact he challenged my supreme authority. if you dont cut down all the small things, then next thing they are murderboning across the station

if you do not understand why this is not what a player wishing to avoid getting banned for killing two people should say, there is no hope and clearly by the content and tone you didn't

I ban you for 696969 minutes. 69 minutes are for small offences when I want to slap someone on the wrist and make them miss a round because a verbal warning and note isn't enough. 6969 minutes are for offences where they have ignored prior warnings or bans. 696969 minutes are for people like you who have a few related notes but then demonstrate they seemingly just don't care for other players.

As for the d6 roll, you have no grounds to seek remedy. There are no official ban lengths and you're lucky it wasn't a d20.

> flip 6 coins to not have such a variance of results at the very least
>flipping 6 coins will get you a more random number than a d6

oh get out

[imblyings]

oh my god you're complaining about how I handled it ic too

at least one other sec member is taking your rule as a reason to just kill people fnr, making a proper set of IC central command annoucements was a great way to a) reinstate a proper captain b) tell all of the current security players to stop following your rule c) let the affected players know that it was handled and d) very clearly remind the new captain to not do what his predecessor did. I know it succeeded on all 4 counts because sec stopped being dumb, the new captain was never dumb and very smoothly entered his new role, and a few rounds later, one of the victims commented on the ban so they obviously knew the issue was handled.

Your feelings being hurt don't mean my decisions weren't well-calculated, your feelings just didn't enter the equation.

[imblyings]

unless the logs mso posted are also incomplete you're also lying

>A central command summary went out stating that my character had bad breath, as a person who suffers from sporadic halitosis this was an extremely hurtful, uncalled for remark.

where did I say that

[MrStonedOne]

the logs I showed are every log with the word ausops or swagbringer from round start uptil swag was banned, sans ausops handling player initiated ahelp tickets.

[MrStonedOne]

If another admin had done that, it wouldn't be in that set of logs, also it could have been a captains announcement from a player and swag is mis-remembering.

[Swagbringer]

I checked it out and that was a person making a captains announcement and not a centcomm message, apologies.

[MrStonedOne]

searching bad produced no relevant lines, searching breath, stinks, meanie all produced no lines at all.

[MrStonedOne]

every line with the word announcement:

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Line 696: [17:28:19]SAY: Swagbringer/(Jingfei Zhao) has made a priority announcement: Being rude is now a death sentence, thanks (120,135,2)
	Line 1055: [17:34:36]SAY: Mopsidae/(Holly Lamont) has made a station announcement: Captain is to be detained at once. (95,97,2)
	Line 1109: [17:35:31]SAY: Maciekkub/(Fulton Fuchs) has made a priority announcement: Treason is it then, CMO! - HoP (106,135,2)
	Line 1241: [17:37:06]SAY: Maciekkub/(Fulton Fuchs) has made a Centcom announcement: Captain killing crew for no reason - Head of Personell Fulton (107,134,2)
	Line 1402: [17:39:18]SAY: Luke Gadow/Mikey555 : HoP said over announcements that CMO was doing treason! (98,167,2)
	Line 1407: [17:39:22]SAY: Maciekkub/(Fulton Fuchs) has made a priority announcement: Cluwne, please arrest Jingfei Zhao, the rouge captain (106,135,2)
	Line 1475: [17:40:24]ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Mikey555/(Luke Gadow)->Ausops/(Allad Minsa Recucks): i believe the captain is at fault here for making this announcement: Being rude is now a death sentence, thanks
	Line 1551: [17:41:34]SAY: Ghost/Limski : what'd cap do that warranted them a lynching and a cc announcement? (28,186,7)
	Line 1645: [17:42:56]SAY: Hedrox89/(Dead Clown) has made a priority announcement: I smell my own farts -Jingfei Zhao (106,135,2)
	Line 1655: [17:43:03]SAY: Hedrox89/(Dead Clown) has made a Centcom announcement: You people are trash (106,135,2)
	Line 2193: [17:51:05]SAY: Ghom/(Scuff Gerald) has made a priority announcement: "Fuck you all" isn't a proper reason to call shuttle you clowns. (60,122,2)
	Line 2491: [17:55:34]SAY: Unknown/DMaillo : I'm supposed to walk into random places and make big nonsensical announcements (97,171,2)
	Line 2542: [17:56:22]SAY: Ghom/(Scuff Gerald) has made a priority announcement: Ok now this is a proper reason to call the shuttle, this shift indeed sucked (for you) (60,122,2)
	Line 2632: [17:57:59]SAY: Ghom/(Scuff Gerald) has made a Centcom announcement: I self proclaim vacant office as the independent "Banana Republic", I seek after a peaceful alliance with Nanotransen. (60,122,2)
	Line 2756: [18:00:11]SAY: Ghom/(Scuff Gerald) has made a Centcom announcement: What's the actual price of the vacant office then? I'm willing to buy it so it's all legal. (60,122,2)
	Line 3704: [18:16:16]SAY: Ghom/(Scuff Gerald) has made a Centcom announcement: I did it, I made the long awaited banana burger! If it's ok, in respect of pacts, the vacant office is mine now? Send that hungry officer if you want- Scuff gerald (59,122,2)
	Line 3746: [18:17:16]SAY: Ghom/(Scuff Gerald) has made a priority announcement: Have a nice return to the station fellas. (59,122,2)

[imblyings]

The real crime here was me not being able to follow up to Ghom and his gimmick after saying I would sell him the office if he made the burger. I'm not happy you were the one who made a complaint instead of Ghom, at least he was someone I had actually wronged

get out

if pkp or joan think this complaint has merit by all means