/tg/Station 13

Byond account and character name: Iamgoofball, doesn't matter
Admin: IcePacks
Time and Server(Bagil or Sybil) incident occurred: Sybil, 4:56 PM
ROUND ID: 76157
Detailed summary:
So, complaint up against Joan due to her admin abuse. To gather more info, I take to the servers and ask players to let the forum thread know if they have any other rounds where they feel Joan might of abused with powers to self-antag or shit like that.

I make some election jokes because le player headmin involved in the scandal, MrAlph does his Numbers impression and mutes the OOC for a bit to ramble about threatening OOC bans, we all joke about the 2020 pres election to meme it up, then I go back to the original plan and get serious so we can get some reports of bad behavior from the offending admin.


IcePacks then kicks me. Come on. There was no good reason for this kick. He's got a serious problem with just kicking people for shitty reasons, and don't forget where he threatened to ban a player for filing a complaint about his kicking.

I understand the admins hate me, but this is abuse.

iamgoofball wrote:and don't forget where he threatened to ban a player for filing a complaint about his kicking.

ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:

IcePacks wrote:but i can upgrade it from a kick (mute was not working) to a rule 6 ban if you're unhappy with the kick

Is there not a rule against threatening to ban people for complaining? I think a headmin needs to talk to Pax about this, this is unacceptable and outright corrupt.

No he's making the point that they're upset about being punished [lightly] for breaking the rules, not that they're actually going to do it .

You're overstepping your boundaries. This isn't your battle to fight, this isn't something you're in charge of handling, and you trying to insert yourself into it is frustrating and in no way helpful. A kick is basically the lightest possible punishment an admin can give.

Suck it up and stop trying to play minimod detectivecop. It's all being handled without you trying to rock the boat everywhere.

ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:and don't forget where he threatened to ban a player for filing a complaint about his kicking.

ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:

IcePacks wrote:but i can upgrade it from a kick (mute was not working) to a rule 6 ban if you're unhappy with the kick

Is there not a rule against threatening to ban people for complaining? I think a headmin needs to talk to Pax about this, this is unacceptable and outright corrupt.

No he's making the point that they're upset about being punished [lightly] for breaking the rules, not that they're actually going to do it .

I'm sorry, but are you IcePacks?

If IcePacks is unable to defend himself, and needs someone else to read into his posts for him to try and asspull excuses, he's not likely in the right here.

captain sawrge wrote:You're overstepping your boundaries. This isn't your battle to fight, this isn't something you're in charge of handling, and you trying to insert yourself into it is frustrating and in no way helpful. A kick is basically the lightest possible punishment an admin can give.

I'm sorry, but when a group of admins including the headmin is found to be abusing their powers, why the fuck would I trust the admins to report on themselves INCLUDING THEIR BOSS? This is sure as hell my battle to fight as a community member, as I don't trust you to moderate yourself.

Your point is invalidated because you're implying that players shouldn't be reporting admin abuse.

Maybe we should look you up for potential abuse too? Because there's only one reason an admin would want to stop people from discovering abuse.

I'm not implying players shouldn't report admin abuse and I think, or at least I would like to think, that you know this.

There's already enough evidence to indict the person in question. They were stripped of their rank and there's further discussion/investigation underway. Trying to rile up the lynch mob when otherwise you rarely even log into the server is, at this point, purely destructive and it's not worth dealing with it on top of the actual situation at hand.

captain sawrge wrote:I'm not implying players shouldn't report admin abuse and I think, or at least I would like to think, that you know this.

There's already enough evidence to indict the person in question. They were stripped of their rank and there's further discussion/investigation underway. Trying to rile up the lynch mob when otherwise you rarely even log into the server is, at this point, purely destructive and it's not worth dealing with it on top of the actual situation at hand.

There is never enough evidence, criminal law 101 man. Especially when analysis of the existing evidence turned up with ties to 3 other admins who are all now implicated, with more questions.

There's always more evidence to gather.

if you're just on the server to stir up shit in OOC and not to play, what do you expect really

iamgoofball wrote: I'm sorry, but are you IcePacks?

If IcePacks is unable to defend himself, and needs someone else to read into his posts for him to try and asspull excuses, he's not likely in the right here.

> sorry you're not icepacks so I get to ignore the content of your post
> but haha gotcha because since you're not icepacks but explaining his post that means he was wrong

???

I never remotely implied he was unable to defend himself. Explaining what he meant by their post so you don't try to gas light it [which you still do] does not mean i'm trying to asspull excuses or read into his posts. If he wants to better articulate what he said then by all means go ahead. The only one who needs handholding here is you, particularly to the metaphorical door.

He is not in the wrong for kicking Jzoid, he is not in the wrong for asking them do they want their just punishment [which is worse than a kick] because that's what they seem to be upset about.

Please stop.

if i have to actually justify kicking goof in any capacity goof has to explain whether or not he's an elaborate troll or an idiot with no sense of irony whatsoever (hint: it's the former)

isn't there another hater that usually bandwagons on these threads where are you fam

Kicking a user is pretty tame, I don't understand why anyone gets their fluff up about having to reconnect to the server. I think this was unwarranted, but I also think Goof has literally zero business being involved in trying to investigate the issue with Joan.

IcePacks wrote:if i have to actually justify kicking goof in any capacity goof has to explain whether or not he's an elaborate troll or an idiot with no sense of irony whatsoever (hint: it's the former)

isn't there another hater that usually bandwagons on these threads where are you fam

oranges usually gets involved, apparently he's allowed to because I reported one of his posts and it got closed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

icepacks has kicked me before, because i made intentionally shitty puns in ooc to meme.
he kicked me more than once iirc

naltronix wrote:icepacks has kicked me before, because i made intentionally shitty puns in ooc to meme.
he kicked me more than once iirc

Make a new complaint with round ID and logs.

i dont remember the id, it was about a month ago
im just adding onto this thread because he has done this shit before

naltronix wrote:i dont remember the id, it was about a month ago
im just adding onto this thread because he has done this shit before

Not actionable without logs.

captain sawrge wrote:

naltronix wrote:i dont remember the id, it was about a month ago
im just adding onto this thread because he has done this shit before

Not actionable without logs.

If you remember what you said, we can grep logs to find it.

Vekter wrote:Kicking a user is pretty tame, I don't understand why anyone gets their fluff up about having to reconnect to the server. I think this was unwarranted, but I also think Goof has literally zero business being involved in trying to investigate the issue with Joan.

IcePacks wrote:if i have to actually justify kicking goof in any capacity goof has to explain whether or not he's an elaborate troll or an idiot with no sense of irony whatsoever (hint: it's the former)

isn't there another hater that usually bandwagons on these threads where are you fam

oranges usually gets involved, apparently he's allowed to because I reported one of his posts and it got closed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's an unfair characterisation

I commented in a recent pr highlighting that Pax uses kicks more than other admins, given that I had also experienced a random kick out of the blue for the crime of saying

hi ex admin packs in ooc

That is a totally legitimate post under the Anon3 amendment, and it in no way constitutes a hate boner for pax, who as far as I can tell is an alright admin despite his propensity for randomly kicking people he doesnt' like.

Yeah I was there and before being kicked all goof was doing was shitposting in ooc about Joan and whatnot