[Bluespace] Punished for permaing people, trolling behavior
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:35 am
Byond account and character name: bgobandit / Fortune Ray
Admin: Bluespace
Time incident occured: 7-8 PM Eastern, Sibyl
Detailed summary:
Abortion of a round. I was captain, there was no HoS, and there was enough griff that the AI and I thought at first it was rev, so I had to play both roles myself. Shit happening: yellowtiding engineers and CE; gateway (one-way, according to security, so I never got to see for myself) selling wizard gear; potential aliens; weird shit with the AI including admin-spawned(?) ion storm laws about sending in aliens and "The Punisher"; nuke ops and aliums spawned in; across-the-board griff. It was a clusterfuck, and there was a lot to deal with at once even with a relatively full-staffed and decent security team.
As a result of the clusterfuck, the following people were all put into perma:
- Engineers, mime and the CE who were breaking into security, tiding officers, possibly stealing from the armory (this happened before I joined and I heard over sec radio, I think) and helping each other evade arrest. A few only got perma for repeat offenses. Security was helping out with this.
- A guy [Tedward1337] who killed the clown in maintenance (I saw the dead clown personally), was attacking several officers who were chasing him, might have been attacking others based on radio chatter, and then assaulted me, stole my e-gun and (if I remember correctly) shot me with it. I assume he ahelped this because an admin (Saegrimr) asked me what happened, I told him exactly the above, and nothing else came of it.
And I executed the following (one) person (after using a comms console to send a message to CentComm and being told unprompted that executions were OK -- which means by an admin, in case you're unclear):
- Guy who stole almost the entire armory and may or may not have had jaunt (I don't even know anymore -- a lot of people had a lot of wizard powers that they were using for a lot of shittery, and security radio wasn't always clear about who had what -- but the armory part at least is confirmed.) Security was helping out with this too. One of them was there when I executed the guy. No one had any objections; I'm pretty sure he was declared KOS.
And a special mention should go to this person, to whom neither happened:
- Guy [Saintish] who was running around in full wizard regalia with nothing else visible. Given that I'd seen a wiz door and a teleportation wand already, I arrested him and took him to the execution room, and the accompanying officer [Alison Moon] kept telling me to remove his wizard clothes in case he had powers or some shit. Dude explained he wasn't really a wizard, I found his PDA and checked the manifest, he's indeed a cargo tech. I release him immediately, and as gratitude for this he decides to punch me. I throw him in the brig for assault of an officer. I didn't really pay much attention to him after this because the round was fairly chaotic, and he whined incessantly via PDA until I turned off my send/receive. Later on he bragged in deadchat that he broke into the armory.
After the round, people started bitching. One person straight-up fucking lied by quoting some radio chat that I was "executing everyone," which is categorically untrue and can be refuted by checking the logs. The aforementioned guy who got perma'd was bitching about being perma'd. Saintish was mad that his wizard gear was confiscated, and claimed that his PDA was stolen (it wasn't; I'm 99% sure I put it in his backpack, and the remaining 1% is only because he's so fucking adamant about it), that his zero-charge teleportation scroll was stolen by someone else (one, who gives an actual shit, two, I didn't see who did it, and three, it's hardly security's fault that tiders are interfering with an arrest) and that security "abused him" (if they even did, I wasn't the one who authorized it, I didn't see it and I didn't know shit about it), and that I didn't immediately drop everything including the armory robbery, aliums and yellowtide to help him on the spot.
Bluespace's -- an administrator -- response to all this?
OOC: Bluespace: does playing a roleplaying game really get you guys this buttmad
OOC: Bluespace: i'm going to put notes on your profiles saying please leave out of events
OOC: Bluespace: ADMIN LOG: Bluespace added note 'Got complained about a ton as captain during an extended round. Quite toxic. ' to bgobandit
I believe this is an insane response for several reasons:
- Literally none of the complaints were remotely valid. They are the complaints of graytiders complaining they got consequences for graytiding. They are the complaints of people who could have taken opportunities to de-escalate -- not attacking security, not stealing their guns and such, not robbing the armory -- and instead deciding to be as hostile as possible. In addition, some of the complaints, including the one that I supposedly was "executing everyone," were flat-out lies, and can be proven as lies if the logs are checked. This isn't fucking CDB executing someone for sunglasses, it is permabrigging people who have made it their round's goal to shit on security as often as possible, and if that isn't valid then security and command are both useless as a department. "Got complained about" is not a valid note when the complaints are bullshit.
- I didn't participate in the events. The events had nothing to do with me, and from what I gather of them -- I still don't know what The Punisher even was -- I had no idea what was even going on eventwise. It's silly to make this about events when I didn't interact with the events at all. (Except the nuke ops I guess, but being the holder of the disk that's kind of default.)
- I find it an unfortunate response to approach situations like "U MAD, ADMIN NOTE FOR YOU" and not "Graytiding, admin note for you." One is an understandable response to mass crap if not outright rulebreaking behavior (it was extended, but apparently some people were given antag) on other players' part. One is... crap behavior on other players' part. This is not the first time I have been punished for something that was another player's fault, and you'd have to be a literal robot not to be frustrated at that. Speaking of which:
- One would hope that admins are supposed to have at least a modicum of professionalism and investigate situations, or at least not side with graytiders immediately. They're definitely not supposed to outright troll players, if that is what this is. You could probably put some kind of ad hominem remark here, one about promoting graytiders etc., but I'm not going to.
Admin: Bluespace
Time incident occured: 7-8 PM Eastern, Sibyl
Detailed summary:
Abortion of a round. I was captain, there was no HoS, and there was enough griff that the AI and I thought at first it was rev, so I had to play both roles myself. Shit happening: yellowtiding engineers and CE; gateway (one-way, according to security, so I never got to see for myself) selling wizard gear; potential aliens; weird shit with the AI including admin-spawned(?) ion storm laws about sending in aliens and "The Punisher"; nuke ops and aliums spawned in; across-the-board griff. It was a clusterfuck, and there was a lot to deal with at once even with a relatively full-staffed and decent security team.
As a result of the clusterfuck, the following people were all put into perma:
- Engineers, mime and the CE who were breaking into security, tiding officers, possibly stealing from the armory (this happened before I joined and I heard over sec radio, I think) and helping each other evade arrest. A few only got perma for repeat offenses. Security was helping out with this.
- A guy [Tedward1337] who killed the clown in maintenance (I saw the dead clown personally), was attacking several officers who were chasing him, might have been attacking others based on radio chatter, and then assaulted me, stole my e-gun and (if I remember correctly) shot me with it. I assume he ahelped this because an admin (Saegrimr) asked me what happened, I told him exactly the above, and nothing else came of it.
And I executed the following (one) person (after using a comms console to send a message to CentComm and being told unprompted that executions were OK -- which means by an admin, in case you're unclear):
- Guy who stole almost the entire armory and may or may not have had jaunt (I don't even know anymore -- a lot of people had a lot of wizard powers that they were using for a lot of shittery, and security radio wasn't always clear about who had what -- but the armory part at least is confirmed.) Security was helping out with this too. One of them was there when I executed the guy. No one had any objections; I'm pretty sure he was declared KOS.
And a special mention should go to this person, to whom neither happened:
- Guy [Saintish] who was running around in full wizard regalia with nothing else visible. Given that I'd seen a wiz door and a teleportation wand already, I arrested him and took him to the execution room, and the accompanying officer [Alison Moon] kept telling me to remove his wizard clothes in case he had powers or some shit. Dude explained he wasn't really a wizard, I found his PDA and checked the manifest, he's indeed a cargo tech. I release him immediately, and as gratitude for this he decides to punch me. I throw him in the brig for assault of an officer. I didn't really pay much attention to him after this because the round was fairly chaotic, and he whined incessantly via PDA until I turned off my send/receive. Later on he bragged in deadchat that he broke into the armory.
After the round, people started bitching. One person straight-up fucking lied by quoting some radio chat that I was "executing everyone," which is categorically untrue and can be refuted by checking the logs. The aforementioned guy who got perma'd was bitching about being perma'd. Saintish was mad that his wizard gear was confiscated, and claimed that his PDA was stolen (it wasn't; I'm 99% sure I put it in his backpack, and the remaining 1% is only because he's so fucking adamant about it), that his zero-charge teleportation scroll was stolen by someone else (one, who gives an actual shit, two, I didn't see who did it, and three, it's hardly security's fault that tiders are interfering with an arrest) and that security "abused him" (if they even did, I wasn't the one who authorized it, I didn't see it and I didn't know shit about it), and that I didn't immediately drop everything including the armory robbery, aliums and yellowtide to help him on the spot.
Bluespace's -- an administrator -- response to all this?
OOC: Bluespace: does playing a roleplaying game really get you guys this buttmad
OOC: Bluespace: i'm going to put notes on your profiles saying please leave out of events
OOC: Bluespace: ADMIN LOG: Bluespace added note 'Got complained about a ton as captain during an extended round. Quite toxic. ' to bgobandit
I believe this is an insane response for several reasons:
- Literally none of the complaints were remotely valid. They are the complaints of graytiders complaining they got consequences for graytiding. They are the complaints of people who could have taken opportunities to de-escalate -- not attacking security, not stealing their guns and such, not robbing the armory -- and instead deciding to be as hostile as possible. In addition, some of the complaints, including the one that I supposedly was "executing everyone," were flat-out lies, and can be proven as lies if the logs are checked. This isn't fucking CDB executing someone for sunglasses, it is permabrigging people who have made it their round's goal to shit on security as often as possible, and if that isn't valid then security and command are both useless as a department. "Got complained about" is not a valid note when the complaints are bullshit.
- I didn't participate in the events. The events had nothing to do with me, and from what I gather of them -- I still don't know what The Punisher even was -- I had no idea what was even going on eventwise. It's silly to make this about events when I didn't interact with the events at all. (Except the nuke ops I guess, but being the holder of the disk that's kind of default.)
- I find it an unfortunate response to approach situations like "U MAD, ADMIN NOTE FOR YOU" and not "Graytiding, admin note for you." One is an understandable response to mass crap if not outright rulebreaking behavior (it was extended, but apparently some people were given antag) on other players' part. One is... crap behavior on other players' part. This is not the first time I have been punished for something that was another player's fault, and you'd have to be a literal robot not to be frustrated at that. Speaking of which:
- One would hope that admins are supposed to have at least a modicum of professionalism and investigate situations, or at least not side with graytiders immediately. They're definitely not supposed to outright troll players, if that is what this is. You could probably put some kind of ad hominem remark here, one about promoting graytiders etc., but I'm not going to.