Admin: feemjmeem
Time and Server(Bagil or Sybil) incident occurred: Sybil, somewhere around 4:00 p.m CST
ROUND ID HERE: 87249
Detailed summary:
To give a basic rundown of what happened: I was playing Groose, the medical doctor. It was a low-pop round, and things were moving slowly. In came Charles Paynter, barging into medbay to spice things up a little. He began by
pulling a gun, and promptly emptied the full clip into a perfectly still CMO (who remained still for a whopping two seconds or more after the fact). By that point, it was pretty obvious the gun was a fake, as we could both tell with our Health HUDs and the clear lack of damage effected.
That didn't stop the CMO from retaliating with brutal, and possibly murderous, intent. I stepped in to intervene.
I'd previously visited the bartender and snatched a Pan-Gargle to mix with some morphine--exactly for cases like these. I decided to put an end to their fight before it escalated further by subduing the CMO with neurotoxin. The AI immediately called for help, deeming Charles and I guilty in the eyes of security without a chance to explain ourselves. One thing led to another, I finally decided to cooperate and hand myself over to sec, hopefully absolving myself--since they were on the prowl for me. I'm unfairly brigged for a thankful total of three minutes. Charles was executed/taken out. I leave the brig, and that's that.
Except it isn't. As soon as I return to medbay, the CMO starts plying my demotion for a very reasonable response to their bloodthirst--that I served time for. They resorted to lying, getting security on their side once more, to have me arrested for absolutely nothing. At this rate, I decide it's time to deal with the CMO. I entered medbay, fingers crossed, that they've had a last-minute change of heart and would simply leave me be. It fails; they give chase. I shot them with another dose of neurotoxin, originally with the idea to supplant them. But they cried for help. The doors around us started bolting. Under the pressure and my inevitable demise, I felt no other choice but to take the CMO with me. I slaughtered them with a circular saw, booked it to somewhere else, and committed suicide when the mob (security and the AI) closed in on me.
The CMO later got cloned.
Before that, however, the following exchange took place,
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-- Administrator private message --
Admin PM from-Feemjmeem: Okay, then why did you kill them?
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PM to-Admins: they attempted to murder a guy for shooting a fake gun at them, so i immobilized them. this was enough reason for them to get us both arrested. after i served an undeserved sentence, they actively tried to demote me and get me arrested again
PM to-Admins: despite doing nothing afterward
-- Administrator private message --
Admin PM from-Feemjmeem: You hit them with neurotoxin because they were reacting to what they thought was a real threat. You both served IC time for it, and then they threatened to demote you because you shot them with neurotoxin as previously described, so you shot them with neurotoxin _again_ and killed them. Right?
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Someone has put your brain in a MMI!
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PM to-Admins: if by thought was was a real threat, you mean took several bullets with no sustained or visible damage, and then decided to retaliate with lethal force, yes
PM to-Admins: they also didn't threaten to demote me
PM to-Admins: they tried
-- Administrator private message --
Admin PM from-Feemjmeem: Okay. That's not appropriate behavior or appropriate escalation. I can see morphining them, _maybe_ even neurotoxining them, but I see no indication that you warned them before shooting them, and they're within their rights to demote you any time they feel like it, because they're your boss. You don't get to kill someone because of that.
What this tells me, in essence, is that there was no way I could have been in the right. It looked to me as if you'd already made up your mind, and were merely going through with the formalities. Nothing about this question rings true to what I said. The CMO was never brigged. The time between both conflicts was sizable, yet you make it out like they were done within a short span. Like you didn't bother reading the logs and operated on pure hearsay.PM to-Admins: they attempted to murder a guy for shooting a fake gun at them, so i immobilized them. this was enough reason for them to get us both arrested. after i served an undeserved sentence, they actively tried to demote me and get me arrested again
PM to-Admins: despite doing nothing afterward
-- Administrator private message --
Admin PM from-Feemjmeem:You hit them with neurotoxin because they were reacting to what they thought was a real threat. You both served IC time for it, and then they threatened to demote you because you shot them with neurotoxin as previously described, so you shot them with neurotoxin _again_ and killed them. Right?
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PM to-Admins: if by thought was was a real threat, you mean took several bullets with no sustained or visible damage, and then decided to retaliate with lethal force, yes
PM to-Admins: they also didn't threaten to demote me
PM to-Admins: they tried
As also stated later, they did not threaten to demote me.
Now, in hindsight, I could have responded to this better. In the moment, was a bit shaken by the BWOINK-shock and couldn't loose my frustration like I should have. It certainly could have been handled with more patience and care.
This is the message I really wanted to address. I'll try to keep it simple.Admin PM from-Feemjmeem: Okay. That's not appropriate behavior or appropriate escalation. I can see morphining them, _maybe_ even neurotoxining them, but I see no indication that you warned them before shooting them, and they're within their rights to demote you any time they feel like it, because they're your boss. You don't get to kill someone because of that.
Implying that subduing someone with neurotoxin is somehow worse than with morphine? This is going to need some explaining, if anyone's able.Admin PM from-Feemjmeem: Okay. That's not appropriate behavior or appropriate escalation. I can see morphining them, _maybe_ even neurotoxining them,
I'm supposed to do that while they're in the midst of trying to beat an innocent crewmember? You might have me confused for a Bay player. TG has always been shoot and sort after.but I see no indication that you warned them before shooting them,
This. This one is the kicker that rubbed my gears the wrong direction. For as long as I've known this server (Sybil, more specifically), the chain of command has always been a guideline. Nothing more. What would you have me do? Lay supine and allow the CMO to shaft me when they're in the wrong? If /tg/ changed from low-med RP to full-on med-high, feel free to correct me. Then by all means, I'll bend over backwards to let heads, no matter how bad, freely abuse me because "they feel like it".and they're within their rights to demote you any time they feel like it, because they're your boss. You don't get to kill someone because of that.
After all that, I'm hit with the almighty ban.
With that out of the way, I should clarify a few things: I don't care about the ban itself. If I did, I'd be writing a ban appeal. While I can't deny I'm a little bit upset, what I'm really looking for is to acquit myself. This ban message is an assessment that grossly misrepresents the events that occurred, painting me as a shitter. It is in my very personal opinion that feemjmeem does not understand proper escalation, the meaning of IC Situation, or investigation. I don't claim to be a pure angel, or even a model player, but this is by far one of the worst stains on my ((((((relatively okay)))))) record. At the very most, I'm hoping the judging admin is made to redress their approach to situations of this nature.You have been banned by feemjmeem.
Reason: As a non-antag medical doctor, killed the CMO because the CMO was demoting them after the player drugged the CMO to stop a fight and both were arrested.
This is a temporary ban, it will be removed in 1440 minutes. The round ID is 87249.