Kangtut - Jobbanned For Following A previous admin's ruling
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:06 pm
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Byond account and character name: Maskoff, Jake Northey
Admin:Kangtut
Time and Server(Bagil or Sybil) incident occurred:Bagil, 6:00 AM CST
ROUND ID HERE:95247
Detailed summary:
Alright. Yesterday, while playing a round on Bagil, I, as an assistant, decided to wall off the brig. Now, this is a shitty and toxic action to be sure, but it was just a funny prank that takes literally 10 seconds to remove. I was brigged, and given 7 minutes on the timer. A fitting punishment, I guess. However, the HOS came over and asked me why I was brigged. After informing him, he told me I should be lucky, because if he saw me do that he would throw me out an airlock. I told him something along the lines of " I'd like to see you try". He then lasered me to death. Naturally, I ahelped. I don't remember the admin's name, and was unable to figure out a way to find the logs between him and I, but he basically informed that security had the right to dunk greytides if they wanted. I told him I would go HOS then and kill greytides. He closed my ticket as being an IC issue, and I took that to mean that it's fine to kill greytiders.
Today, I played a round as detective.(Round ID 95247). At the beginning of the round, an assistant slipped me. I took out my gun and fired a warning shot at him. He slipped me again, and took my gun. REE. Later, I came at him with a baton, he slipped me again. I went and got a taser and finally beepsky got him. While I was about to brig him, his "friend" Rock Steel hacked into the brig and tried to help him out. I ran with him in cuffs into the firing range, where I killed him. It seems reasonable to me that if this admin told me you can kill an assistant for building a wall in front of sec, you can also do so for an assistant who stole your gun and assaulted you. Afterwards, Kangtut contacted me, asking me why I killed him.
I referred to the previous admin's ruling, which allows security to kill greytides. Kangtut was evasive in my questions, when I asked about the admin telling me this he told me I must be either lying or misinterpreting what he said. I asked him to dig out logs of the incident. He did not reply, and jobbanned me from security. I continued to try and question him on what the admin earlier had said, and if he could send me chat logs of the conversation. He ignored me. I tried ahelping him several times afterwards, to no avail.
Unfortunately, I have no chat logs about the incident. I do know that admins keep logs of Ahelps, so I'm sure you can find it and read what this admin, who's name I do not remember, told me about dunking greytides as security. I will also appeal my jobban, as there is no real reason to ban me when I am following what an admin said.
My Complaint: The only real reason I am complaining is not because I am banned. I am complaining because there is a massive contradiction in the interpretation of the rules from these two admins. One admin tells me killing greytiders is fine, another bans me for doing so. This obvious contradiction leads to my confusion at what the actual rules are. According to the rules, act like an antag, get treated like one should apply here. The assistant slipped me and stole my gun, which could easily kill me. It seems far more justified than putting up a wall in front of brig. According to rule 3 in the security policy, disarming or slipping security can be construed as an antagonistic action and lethal force could be used.
That being said, I wish to know which ruling was correct, and if this was justified. I would also like to say Kangtut didn't really do anything wrong, I just want to know why there is such a big disconnect between admins in terms of what security can and cant do.
Byond account and character name: Maskoff, Jake Northey
Admin:Kangtut
Time and Server(Bagil or Sybil) incident occurred:Bagil, 6:00 AM CST
ROUND ID HERE:95247
Detailed summary:
Alright. Yesterday, while playing a round on Bagil, I, as an assistant, decided to wall off the brig. Now, this is a shitty and toxic action to be sure, but it was just a funny prank that takes literally 10 seconds to remove. I was brigged, and given 7 minutes on the timer. A fitting punishment, I guess. However, the HOS came over and asked me why I was brigged. After informing him, he told me I should be lucky, because if he saw me do that he would throw me out an airlock. I told him something along the lines of " I'd like to see you try". He then lasered me to death. Naturally, I ahelped. I don't remember the admin's name, and was unable to figure out a way to find the logs between him and I, but he basically informed that security had the right to dunk greytides if they wanted. I told him I would go HOS then and kill greytides. He closed my ticket as being an IC issue, and I took that to mean that it's fine to kill greytiders.
Today, I played a round as detective.(Round ID 95247). At the beginning of the round, an assistant slipped me. I took out my gun and fired a warning shot at him. He slipped me again, and took my gun. REE. Later, I came at him with a baton, he slipped me again. I went and got a taser and finally beepsky got him. While I was about to brig him, his "friend" Rock Steel hacked into the brig and tried to help him out. I ran with him in cuffs into the firing range, where I killed him. It seems reasonable to me that if this admin told me you can kill an assistant for building a wall in front of sec, you can also do so for an assistant who stole your gun and assaulted you. Afterwards, Kangtut contacted me, asking me why I killed him.
I referred to the previous admin's ruling, which allows security to kill greytides. Kangtut was evasive in my questions, when I asked about the admin telling me this he told me I must be either lying or misinterpreting what he said. I asked him to dig out logs of the incident. He did not reply, and jobbanned me from security. I continued to try and question him on what the admin earlier had said, and if he could send me chat logs of the conversation. He ignored me. I tried ahelping him several times afterwards, to no avail.
Unfortunately, I have no chat logs about the incident. I do know that admins keep logs of Ahelps, so I'm sure you can find it and read what this admin, who's name I do not remember, told me about dunking greytides as security. I will also appeal my jobban, as there is no real reason to ban me when I am following what an admin said.
My Complaint: The only real reason I am complaining is not because I am banned. I am complaining because there is a massive contradiction in the interpretation of the rules from these two admins. One admin tells me killing greytiders is fine, another bans me for doing so. This obvious contradiction leads to my confusion at what the actual rules are. According to the rules, act like an antag, get treated like one should apply here. The assistant slipped me and stole my gun, which could easily kill me. It seems far more justified than putting up a wall in front of brig. According to rule 3 in the security policy, disarming or slipping security can be construed as an antagonistic action and lethal force could be used.
That being said, I wish to know which ruling was correct, and if this was justified. I would also like to say Kangtut didn't really do anything wrong, I just want to know why there is such a big disconnect between admins in terms of what security can and cant do.