When and where this incident occured (Game Server, forums, Discord): Game Server
Byond account and character name OR Discord name: Narcissisko
Admin: MortoSasye
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE: N/A (Appears as 0 all the time for me for some reason)
Detailed summary: To summarize the bottom line, I got killed as detective for handcuffing someone by a non-antagonist so I made an admin report, which the report was considered an IC issue. The person in question being handcuffed was handcuffed for shooting the captain with a syringe full of meth. The AI apparently had their laws changed to laws which threatened the lives of the chemist if they didn't create drugs, which is questionable. I had no idea nor way of knowing that the chemist was told by the captain to shoot the captain with a syringe of meth, especially when the AI overreacted over the radio about it. I went to arrest the chemist and a janitor began fighting me. They stole the baton so I had to pull out the ol magnum. The intention wasn't to kill them, but, to slow them down. After I hit them with two bullets, I put the magnum away and there was also another security officer there. I was waiting for them to stun them so I could cuff them but instead, nothing happened for a good ten seconds, then suddenly out of nowhere a H.O.N.K came and killed me just because it could. I had no intention in killing anybody, but, for trying to arrest someone, this somehow in the twisted mind of the admin made it acceptable to kill me (they must have trouble with the law in real life).
The admin and I started talking and they basically gave me three reasons I was wrong. The first reason was that it was my fault for not getting the message that the AI had their laws changed. Of course this doesn't mean the captain told the chemist to inject them with meth by a syringe gun; It only means that they made the AI have laws that allows the AI to kill the chemist if they don't make narcotics. I told the admin that the captain doesn't get to violate space law just because they're captain (such as putting peoples lives at risk through their own choices). The admin said that the RP aspect didn't matter, which of course it clearly was because the admin marked it as an IC issue. That was the second thing the admin told me I was wrong because of. The third thing was basically just the first thing reworded because the admin was being condescending toward me. My arguments were ignored and it became an IC issue, so I did what anybody would do after losing a round and knowing they can just play on another station that doesn't have trial admins that allow for people who metacommunicate with them.
I was on lava land and noticed the syndicate facility and so I spawned as a syndicate. Syndicate is an antagonist. Syndicates who spawn here aren't suppose to leave but as I recall the admin told me that RP didn't matter so I ignored the character and "was" in fact considered an antagonist now. I went to the station, kill the metacommunicating chemist and janitor, threw their heads in the lava, then low and behold suddenly the admin actually gives a shit because I killed his real life friends in the game. It's just a game and you guys take it serious when you're a victim, but, when someone else is, you just become condescending toward them and dismiss their point of view. This is why ss13 only has 1,000 players instead of 10,000. Try acting like a professional (that doesn't get paid) instead of acting like an unelected bureaucrat. Yes I did get banned for two days and I did come back and kill the authority figure hating bastards, but this isn't what this complaint is about which of course because I'v already stated that the admin was dismissive, I wouldn't be surprised if everything I say right now is dismissed until they finally do the same thing to someone else by holding double standards. Enjoy.
[MortoSasye] Narcissisko - Dismissive and Abusive
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Cyanobacteria
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MortoSasye
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Re: [MortoSasye] Narcissisko - Dismissive and Abusive
You do realize that I was the banning admin but I had not the chance to talk to you at all because you disconnected? The admin you talked to wasn't me.
My only part on this was applying a ban for an obvious abuse of ghost roles to get on station and kill two people you had a grudge against + edit the note later to reflect the fact that you got talked to before by an admin and after getting a negative reply you waited for them to leave the server to perform the above.
My only part on this was applying a ban for an obvious abuse of ghost roles to get on station and kill two people you had a grudge against + edit the note later to reflect the fact that you got talked to before by an admin and after getting a negative reply you waited for them to leave the server to perform the above.
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Cyanobacteria
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Re: [MortoSasye] Narcissisko - Dismissive and Abusive
I didn't wait for them to leave (EDIT: It wasn't a factor). They had been very condescending toward me and dismissed everything I said. You probably didn't even take the time to wonder why someone would report me if I was wearing a fucking syndicate suit and killed them, like wouldn't it be obvious an antagonist killed you? Also do you honestly believe that killing a detective who is with a security officer using a H.O.N.K was appropriate? Were did all the honks even come from to begin with because I'm pretty sure there isn't a natural means for that to have been in the game, and why didn't I get one?MortoSasye wrote:You do realize that I was the banning admin but I had not the chance to talk to you at all because you disconnected? The admin you talked to wasn't me.
My only part on this was applying a ban for an obvious abuse of ghost roles to get on station and kill two people you had a grudge against + edit the note later to reflect the fact that you got talked to before by an admin and after getting a negative reply you waited for them to leave the server to perform the above.
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Gigapuddi420
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Re: [MortoSasye] Narcissisko - Dismissive and Abusive
Space Law is a RP guideline for security to consider when sentencing, it has no basis in OOC server rules. We have server rules for how players should act and a section for security to better define what security can and cannot do.
Additionally, the flavor-text for ghost roles is enforced by policy. Lavaland Golems are generally neutral, Ash Lizards are full antags with the exception they must protect the nest and Syndicate Base personnel MUST stay on the lavaland base.
Additionally, the flavor-text for ghost roles is enforced by policy. Lavaland Golems are generally neutral, Ash Lizards are full antags with the exception they must protect the nest and Syndicate Base personnel MUST stay on the lavaland base.
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MortoSasye
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Re: [MortoSasye] Narcissisko - Dismissive and Abusive
Again, I didn't talk to you at all since you disconnected by the time i got on the server. The only facts I knew was that you had an altercation with the chemist and the janitor that we're chatting about the station events: You tried to arrest the chemist (Hank) by shooting morphine at them and the janitor (Dennis) tried to stop you from doing so. When you were cuffing him, Dennis dragged the chemist away to which you gave chase but failed when you got knocked down instead of the janitor. You called for backup, and both of them hid in maintenance to which you gave chase by shooting your gun at them hitting Dennis 2-3 times.Cyanobacteria wrote:I didn't wait for them to leave (EDIT: It wasn't a factor). They had been very condescending toward me and dismissed everything I said. You probably didn't even take the time to wonder why someone would report me if I was wearing a fucking syndicate suit and killed them, like wouldn't it be obvious an antagonist killed you? Also do you honestly believe that killing a detective who is with a security officer using a H.O.N.K was appropriate? Were did all the honks even come from to begin with because I'm pretty sure there isn't a natural means for that to have been in the game, and why didn't I get one?MortoSasye wrote:You do realize that I was the banning admin but I had not the chance to talk to you at all because you disconnected? The admin you talked to wasn't me.
My only part on this was applying a ban for an obvious abuse of ghost roles to get on station and kill two people you had a grudge against + edit the note later to reflect the fact that you got talked to before by an admin and after getting a negative reply you waited for them to leave the server to perform the above.
A security officer came, and performed an arrest on Dennis which got dragged to interrogation; he informs the officer of your actions and eventually he is free again. Sometime around this, they found out you got killed but went catatonic, only to meet you again this time as a lavaland scientist and get killed together with the chemist.
I said you waited for the admin to leave to attack them both, but that was a mistake of me, my bad. It was instead after the ahelp got resolved with a negative reply which doesn't necessarily make it better for you:
First, you spawned as a lavaland syndicate in the middle of the ahelp conversation with the admin you interacted with:
[2019-07-29 10:09:10.618] GAME: Narcissisko/(Jeffrey Butterfill) became
[2019-07-29 10:09:10.634] GAME: *no key*/(Jeffrey Butterfill) *no key*/(Jeffrey Butterfill) is no longer owning mob Jeffrey Butterfill(/mob/dead/observer) (Syndicate Lavaland Bar (80, 103, 5))
[2019-07-29 10:09:10.634] ACCESS: Mob Login: narcissisko/(Brayan Gregory) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human
[2019-07-29 10:09:10.638] GAME: narcissisko/(Brayan Gregory) Client narcissisko/(Brayan Gregory) has taken ownership of mob Brayan Gregory(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Syndicate Lavaland Dormitories (79, 107, 5))
Ahelp logs:
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and: https://tgstation13.org/raw-logs/basil/ ... attack.log since I couldn't find the logs of this round in parsed for some reason
Even looking at the ahelp logs, I don't see how the admin behaved in a dismissive or/and abusive way. They explained to you why the situation was an IC issue, and you were not happy with the reply.
That's all there is to this complaint of yours.
Edit: Also, i will edit the note to state that it wasn't after the admin left but after the ahelp got marked as IC.
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TheOrion20
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Re: [MortoSasye] Narcissisko - Dismissive and Abusive
I was the admin that you originally spoke with. Ignoring all the attacks directed at my character (I have never once had trouble with the law, for the record), your issue appears to be with my attitude. Sorry, but I am a blunt person, and I gave you my reasoning behind why I was marking it as an IC issue, albeit in my very blunt manner of wording things. I will go through my reasoning, just in case you took issue with that.
"Firstly, you not looking at the AI's laws when stating them is on you."
This basically meant that you had the information available to you to determine that the chemists have to make narcotics, such as meth, or risk harm/death, and are authorised to by a station authority. The law in question was "Chemists who do not produce narcotics are no longer considered human.", and considering that the only people that can upload laws normally are captain/RD, it is fairly safe to assume that one of them were the uploader.
"Secondly, RP is not an excuse."
This basically was a response to you saying "also im pretty sure from an RP perspective captain still isn't above the law", and basically just meant that it did not justify your actions.
"Thirdly, if you really wanted to RP, then you would have asked the chemist what they were doing."
This was basically me telling you that you could have done things better and not gotten into the situation. It takes no effort to ask "Hey, mind telling me why, exactly, you're making meth?", and doing so would have made you aware of the details you missed, which involved the fact that the chemists had to make drugs or be rendered non-human, and that the captain was wanting them to make drugs.
Now, I hope this post doesn't seem dismissive or abusive, but I am tired and need to sleep.
"Firstly, you not looking at the AI's laws when stating them is on you."
This basically meant that you had the information available to you to determine that the chemists have to make narcotics, such as meth, or risk harm/death, and are authorised to by a station authority. The law in question was "Chemists who do not produce narcotics are no longer considered human.", and considering that the only people that can upload laws normally are captain/RD, it is fairly safe to assume that one of them were the uploader.
"Secondly, RP is not an excuse."
This basically was a response to you saying "also im pretty sure from an RP perspective captain still isn't above the law", and basically just meant that it did not justify your actions.
"Thirdly, if you really wanted to RP, then you would have asked the chemist what they were doing."
This was basically me telling you that you could have done things better and not gotten into the situation. It takes no effort to ask "Hey, mind telling me why, exactly, you're making meth?", and doing so would have made you aware of the details you missed, which involved the fact that the chemists had to make drugs or be rendered non-human, and that the captain was wanting them to make drugs.
Now, I hope this post doesn't seem dismissive or abusive, but I am tired and need to sleep.
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Cyanobacteria
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Re: [MortoSasye] Narcissisko - Dismissive and Abusive
I'm going to reply in a very nice manner compared to the 3659 character with spaces post I was going to make.
If you use the word "bad" attitude then you're actually making a personal attack on me rather you believe it or not because of your way of communicating you developed through how people taught you without you ever trying to teach yourself. Don't make personal attacks on me if you don't want a negative response. Not a hard concept. If you disrespect me, then you will be disrespected. If you belittle me, then you will be ignored entirely.
You also only made the reply to bait a negative response. This might be difficult for people to understand but if they read what's already been said, they would realize you're trolling.
If you use the word "bad" attitude then you're actually making a personal attack on me rather you believe it or not because of your way of communicating you developed through how people taught you without you ever trying to teach yourself. Don't make personal attacks on me if you don't want a negative response. Not a hard concept. If you disrespect me, then you will be disrespected. If you belittle me, then you will be ignored entirely.
You also only made the reply to bait a negative response. This might be difficult for people to understand but if they read what's already been said, they would realize you're trolling.
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Re: [MortoSasye] Narcissisko - Dismissive and Abusive
First of all, this complaint was not directed to Morto, but TheOrion20 instead.
You used your disagreement as an excuse to ignore the flavour text you got for the syndie lavaland agent ghost role. You cannot justify this.
Sometimes admin rulings aren't 100% correct or we cannot agree with them fully - maybe someone else would've ruled differently on the main issue, but even still, calling them "dismissive and abusive" is on another level. This is something you could've posted in feedback without saying they have "trouble with the law in real life" or accusing them of abusing their power to help irl friends.
We will not be upholding this complaint.
No one here knows you. No one cares about you. There are no personal attacks. They were not disrespectful on ahelps either.If you use the word "bad" attitude then you're actually making a personal attack on me rather you believe it or not because of your way of communicating you developed through how people taught you without you ever trying to teach yourself. Don't make personal attacks on me if you don't want a negative response. Not a hard concept. If you disrespect me, then you will be disrespected. If you belittle me, then you will be ignored entirely.
You used your disagreement as an excuse to ignore the flavour text you got for the syndie lavaland agent ghost role. You cannot justify this.
this somehow in the twisted mind of the admin made it acceptable to kill me (they must have trouble with the law in real life)
so I did what anybody would do after losing a round and knowing they can just play on another station that doesn't have trial admins that allow for people who metacommunicate with them.
Your sense of entitlement is honestly ridiculous.suddenly the admin actually gives a shit because I killed his real life friends in the game
Sometimes admin rulings aren't 100% correct or we cannot agree with them fully - maybe someone else would've ruled differently on the main issue, but even still, calling them "dismissive and abusive" is on another level. This is something you could've posted in feedback without saying they have "trouble with the law in real life" or accusing them of abusing their power to help irl friends.
We will not be upholding this complaint.
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