[Shirbu] SumFagPlayTester - Completely ended a round as Cap during MALF due to racist song request

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[Shirbu] SumFagPlayTester - Completely ended a round as Cap during MALF due to racist song request

Postby SumFaggotPlayTester » Wed May 06, 2020 12:17 pm #560761

When and where this incident occurred: Manuel
Byond account and character name OR Discord name: SumFagPlayTester as Virgil Gellius
Admin: Shirbu
RoundID: 136440
Detailed summary:

Played on Manuel in prime low pop (Joined at 23 players.) with only Shirbu being the only admin on. They where taking song requests with some relative meme songs such as fucked up version of YMCA. The OOC pointed, along with what songs came through before I disabled current sounds, to mostly be memes. The song I threw out in the ahelp as a joke was https://soundcloud.com/alabamanigger/ni ... hnny-rebel, I figured it would be an obvious joke as everything wrong with it was in the URL pointing out the problem with it. There after I late joined the game as the Captain, around 50ish minutes into the round, and proceeded as usual. Geared up in the cap's quarters, lone ops busts in before the HoP & someone from sec killed them, and then a little after my screne goes completely sideways. As in flipped 90 degrees. All of this is during a MALF round.

I can understand smiting someone with the BSA as a way to point out your displeasure but this completely fucked me in being able to deal with anything in the round as it quickly went to chaos. I ahelped asking if there was a way to fix it as I figured it was some weird virus symptom that acted like skewium or similar that fucked your screen up. The logs are not up so I'll just copy my text log from the game client for now.

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PM to-Admins: Is there any way to fix the screne from being sidewase?
Admin PM from-Shirbu: Refrain from requesting songs that create work for me. Alabama Nigger is one such example.

PM to-Admins: Are you really going to fuck my screne over due to that
Admin PM from-Shirbu: Yep. Sending messages to admins that hurt to read gets punished with ADVANCED punishments.

PM to-Admins: Oh fuck off. Fix it as this ruins ANY method to play a head role
Admin PM from-Shirbu: As an example, are you familiar with the *blink, *inhale, and *exhale emotes?

At this point I guess I had to manually breath as I started to loose oxygen & take oxy damage due to not breathing. Most of this time a medical borg is trying to keep me alive.

PM to-Admins: Yeah this is pretty shitty behaviour from you
PM to-Admins: Are you going to fix this or not?
Admin PM from-Shirbu: Ahelping racist songs is shitty behavior from you, that I am engaging with in a nonbanning manner for YOUR sake. The result would be the same if you sent a message to centcomm that was Woody got Wood. Or if you ahelped porn. The result is a punishment from god.

PM to-Admins: With the amount of meme shit that gets used as songs you take offence with this? Piss poor.
PM to-Admins: This has ACTIVELY hindered me from playing at all because your feelings have seemingly gotten hurt.
Admin PM from-Shirbu: I suffer not people who use ahelps to create work for me the right to avoid smiting

PM to-Admins: Then we can discuss the rest in a complaint thread since this ahelp is going no where.
Admin PM from-Shirbu: If you would like to register a complaint about my behavior, I invite you to investigate this:https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=166

and this :https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Rules

PM to-Admins: You're acting like I've not already read the rules or have a forum account.
Admin PM from-Shirbu: I am providing resources to you to take action.

PM to-Admins: Instead of going down the route of "Na, no memey shit today please." you go out of your way to ruin my round.
Admin PM from-Shirbu: Providing work for me in the form of putting widely offensive music that I am intending to play to the entire server is the opposite of that route.

PM to-Admins: Oh boo hoo. It was intended as a joke on a server that is memey as shit half the time. God forbid you seemingly get pissy about this then go off & do this. Out of all the ways to handle this this is beyond far and you know it.
Admin PM from-Shirbu: I am considering this issue resolved for the purposes of explaining what will happen if you do this again. You are welcome to carry this over in the complaint thread.
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All of this occurred during a MALF round where if I was not actively in medical would have been able to par take in. Along with this a borgo and someone from sec where constantly trying to figure out what was going on. If this went down the route of just hitting me with a BSA or some shit that is easily fixable I'd not of made this complaint. Instead this completely fucked me from interacting with most people, bogging two people down who most likely didn't need to be, and turning a seemingly interesting round into absolute shit. I feel like there was a better option to go down than the one you chose. At any time you could of fixed this & it would have been completely fine, but you left it in place till the round completely ended.



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Re: [Shirbu] SumFagPlayTester - Completely ended a round as Cap during MALF due to racist song request

Postby Stickymayhem » Wed May 06, 2020 8:14 pm #560838

Since I can't add any spice to my post, here are the logs. He made attempts to fix his vision to help in the round and couldn't. Was stuck for over 40 minutes. I snipped a lot of manual breathing.

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10:56:41   ADMIN   Shirbu/(Gerald Mendoza) modified SumFagPlayTester's dir from 1 to 4      
10:57:29   ADMIN   Shirbu/(Gerald Mendoza) checked the individual player panel for SumFagPlayTester/(Virgil Gellius).      
11:01:00   ADMIN   Shirbu/(Gerald Mendoza) punished SumFagPlayTester/(Virgil Gellius) with Fully Immerse.      
11:24:56   ADMIN   Shirbu/(Gerald Mendoza) checked the individual player panel for SumFagPlayTester/(Virgil Gellius).      
11:38:40   SAY   SumFagPlayTester/(Virgil Gellius) (DEAD) "And even in death the vision is still fucked. ThanksShirbu, really appericiate it."   (144, 74, 2)   Robotics Lab
11:39:50   ACCESS   Logout: Shirbu/(Gerald Mendoza)


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11:28:47   EMOTE   SumFagPlayTester/(Virgil Gellius) seizes up and falls limp, their eyes dead and lifeless...   (177, 94, 2)   Medbay Treatment Center
11:28:47   ACCESS   Mob Login: SumFagPlayTester/(Virgil Gellius) was assigned to a /mob/living/brain      
11:28:47   GAME   SumFagPlayTester/(Virgil Gellius) Client SumFagPlayTester/(Virgil Gellius) has taken ownership of mob Virgil Gellius(/mob/living/brain) (UNKNOWN (?, ?, ?))      
11:29:01   GAME   SumFagPlayTester/(Jake Staymates) Client SumFagPlayTester/(Jake Staymates) has taken ownership of mob Jake Staymates(/mob/living/carbon/human)   (185, 94, 2)   Medbay Treatment Center
11:29:01   ACCESS   Mob Login: SumFagPlayTester/(Jake Staymates) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human      
11:29:03   SAY   SumFagPlayTester/(Jake Staymates) (DEAD) "Hopefully this fixes it"   (185, 94, 2)   Medbay Treatment Center
11:29:13   SAY   SumFagPlayTester/(Jake Staymates) (DEAD) "oh great its still fucked"   (185, 94, 2)   Medbay Treatment Center
11:29:17   EMOTE   SumFagPlayTester/(Jake Staymates) gasps!   (185, 94, 2)   Medbay Treatment Center
11:30:14   SAY   SumFagPlayTester/(Jake Staymates) "Wew"   (185, 94, 2)   Medbay Treatment Center
11:30:22   SAY   SumFagPlayTester/(Jake Staymates) "uh"   (185, 94, 2)   Medbay Treatment Center
11:30:26   SAY   SumFagPlayTester/(Jake Staymates) "What"   (185, 94, 2)   Medbay Treatment Center
11:31:40   SAY   SumFagPlayTester/(Jake Staymates) "I'd offer to help but I'm still fucked"   (182, 96, 2)   Medbay Treatment Center
11:31:49   SAY   SumFagPlayTester/(Jake Staymates) "Can't see straight still"   (177, 90, 2)   Medbay Central
11:35:26   SAY   SumFagPlayTester/(Jake Staymates) "Even being borged won't fix my eyes"   (147, 77, 2)   Robotics Lab
11:37:59   EMOTE   SumFagPlayTester/(Jake Staymates) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless...   (145, 74, 2)   Robotics Lab
11:38:13   SAY   SumFagPlayTester/(Jake Staymates) (DEAD) "Oh wow what a fun round. Really fun."   (145, 74, 2)   Robotics Lab
11:38:16   ACCESS   Mob Login: SumFagPlayTester/(Virgil Gellius) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer      
11:38:16   GAME   SumFagPlayTester/(Virgil Gellius) Client SumFagPlayTester/(Virgil Gellius) has taken ownership of mob Virgil Gellius(/mob/dead/observer)   (145, 74, 2)   Robotics Lab
11:38:40   SAY   SumFagPlayTester/(Virgil Gellius) (DEAD) "And even in death the vision is still fucked. ThanksShirbu, really appericiate it."   (144, 74, 2)   Robotics Lab
11:39:50   ACCESS   Logout: SumFagPlayTester/(Virgil Gellius)
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Re: [Shirbu] SumFagPlayTester - Completely ended a round as Cap during MALF due to racist song request

Postby bandit » Wed May 06, 2020 8:18 pm #560840

Some of the smite options, IMO, were coded in without considering the side effects that are overly arduous to fix because of how medical works. This one, but also brain damage producing traumas. Which is more a code issue, I think.
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Re: [Shirbu] SumFagPlayTester - Completely ended a round as Cap during MALF due to racist song request

Postby Armhulen » Wed May 06, 2020 8:32 pm #560850

bandit wrote:Some of the smite options, IMO, were coded in without considering the side effects that are overly arduous to fix because of how medical works. This one, but also brain damage producing traumas. Which is more a code issue, I think.

There was also a non-smite punishment, setting the client's direction. this is what that looks like. down becomes right, right becomes up, up becomes left, left becomes down. breaks a lot of icons too
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Re: [Shirbu] SumFagPlayTester - Completely ended a round as Cap during MALF due to racist song request

Postby Shirbu » Thu May 07, 2020 2:56 am #560917

In-round punishments are expected when sending admins media that are painful to read and listen to.

In requesting songs to play, it becomes necessary for me to screen each submission.

When sending messages, which I have to screen, and those submissions are generally irritating to read and listen to to the extent of Alabama Nigger, loud pornography, or Woody's got Wood, (as examples, of which you only submitted the first), you can expect to be smote, and thus provided with advanced roleplay opportunities which require you to see things from a different perspective, and apply extra effort to participate in the round, proportional to the amount of mental labor you have provided to me.

Your position as a crewmember does not, and should not protect you from the memey consequences of of making me read messages of that nature with my own two eyes. It would be the same if you ahelped a link to midget porn, prayed an image link of Goatse, or contacted the syndicate with Woody's got Wood.

The nature of the round likewise should not protect you from said consequences.

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Re: [Shirbu] SumFagPlayTester - Completely ended a round as Cap during MALF due to racist song request

Postby SumFaggotPlayTester » Thu May 07, 2020 5:55 am #560930

My main reason for issuing this complaint is that I disagree with the punishment taken. I do not want this held against this admin in question as they have, through their past, proven to be reasonable & one of the few low pop manual admins on when I usually play. They even enforce reasonable sleep time scheduled for plays who go a little to over board, which I might disagree with, is also reasonable. If anything I don't want this to be used against this person in the future & If I'm around will argue, even if peanut, against it in such complaint threads.

Shirbu wrote:In-round punishments are expected
When sending messages, which I have to screen, and those submissions are generally irritating to read and listen to to the extent of Alabama Nigger, loud pornography, or Woody's got Wood, (as examples, of which you only submitted the first), you can expect to be smote, and thus provided with advanced roleplay opportunities which require you to see things from a different perspective, and apply extra effort to participate in the round, proportional to the amount of mental labor you have provided to me.

Your position as a crewmember does not, and should not protect you from the memey consequences of of making me read messages of that nature with my own two eyes. It would be the same if you ahelped a link to midget porn, prayed an image link of Goatse, or contacted the syndicate with Woody's got Wood.


Comedy in of itself is subjective to each person. At the same time a, say, funeral director would be making a joke with a burial crew about a 75 year old person being buried after the family has left to said crew would be horrible distasteful if the family was still there. ie: Making a joke of another one bites the dust popping up on the radio & jokingly dancing to it. This is my point on comedy being subjective; differs per person due to their moral nature/situation/life experience. I made my suggestion based on the jokey nature that was seemingly going on at the time. I can see why you would not like it & at the same time argue against it being similar in the nature of playing the audio of loud pornography. Obscenity and the acceptable levels will differ per person player & admin alike.

"When sending messages, which I have to screen, and those submissions are generally irritating to read and listen to to the extent of Alabama Nigger, loud pornography, or Woody's got Wood, (as examples, of which you only submitted the first), you can expect to be smote, and thus provided with advanced roleplay opportunities which require you to see things from a different perspective, and apply extra effort to participate in the round, proportional to the amount of mental labor you have provided to me."

I'm incline to agree but also disagree with the punishment you chose. If I was an assistant we'd have no thread right now. If you ghosted me out of my body, disabled the functions that limited or immersed it, ahealed the body & offered the captain role to one of the ghosts (There was at least one given the lone op just recently died.) I'd have no problem. My issue is that you fucked my screen to a point I'd have to get used to it & added "full immersion" instead of just either BSAing me or nuggeting me; things I can recover from & having an interesting experience with which I believe would be acceptable. Especially given it was a MALF round with the main person helping me being a sec officer & medical borg. At all times you could have reversed this & I'd have no problem with you actions; even up to the point the borgs where trying to borg-machine me with no success (No idea why the machine failed to work; probably a code issue & not for here.). I am just disappointed in the action you took with a plethora of other options available to you.

"Your position as a crewmember does not, and should not protect you from the memey consequences of of making me read messages of that nature with my own two eyes. It would be the same if you ahelped a link to midget porn, prayed an image link of Goatse, or contacted the syndicate with Woody's got Wood."

I agree. It does not matter if its an assistant, Warden, or Captain who makes a shitty prayer or ahelp. This just comes with the punishment you chose and if both parties agree that its seemingly acceptable. While you'll have aspies think just BSAing them for spamming nigger over coms (Completely acceptable as spaming anything, or record spamming is just cancer when it happens as it bogs down coms.) I think this case if different. I disagree with this being similar to linking pornographic audio though but we have a peanut thread for that.

We might disagree on what is comedic in nature, that's a given, I think you could have chosen a better route than the one you chose. Would you have done the same if it was a catchy song about white trash smoking meth in a trailer park & getting welfare? I don't wish ill upon you given how this thread, or the peanut thread, has gone. Quite the opposite. I just don't like the fact fucking the screen & full immersion was used an a punishment. That's the main reason this thread exist alongside the fact if it was fixed at any point I'd of accepted it as a limit you do not like.

I'm going to reiterate. I do not want this held against this person, and I do not want any headmin ruling against them. I'd rather we just discuss this here (Me & Shirbu.) and come to some sort of agreement; we do not need to completely agree or even agree at all. Even if this goes no where. I think I've made my reason clear for why I made this thread. I just do not like how my screen was fucked.

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Re: [Shirbu] SumFagPlayTester - Completely ended a round as Cap during MALF due to racist song request

Postby Shirbu » Thu May 07, 2020 7:00 am #560937

There is an argument to be made as to the inappropriate extent of the punishments utilized.

While many smites can be fixed in-game, the screen rotation is a client variable which cannot be cured through normal means.

It is a punishment that persists through death, and while it can be played around, I can see how the main issue here is its incurability.

From a gameplay perspective, in game admin punishments should not be both incurable, and permanent.

I admit fault in not removing a permanent (within the round) and incurable punishment which manipulated a player's screen.

I sustain my justification for applying a punishment in general, which it appears SumFPT is not specifically arguing against, even if they do disagree with it.

You mean the extensive amount of mental labour required from reading the link he provided


You seem to misunderstand what I mean by mental labour. I am referring not to the EFFORT required, but the nature of the message itself, Terra. It is irritating to read in the same way that WGW is irritating to read, even if it requires no effort on my part.

I am pleased to apply effort - it is the job. I am not pleased to be bwoinked with messages that are visually straining.

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Re: [Shirbu] SumFagPlayTester - Completely ended a round as Cap during MALF due to racist song request

Postby Shirbu » Thu May 07, 2020 7:04 am #560938

TLDR:
If the primary complaint of this thread is my abuse of an incurable punishment, like "dir," then I admit wrongdoing.

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Re: [Shirbu] SumFagPlayTester - Completely ended a round as Cap during MALF due to racist song request

Postby SumFaggotPlayTester » Thu May 07, 2020 7:19 am #560939

I can agree with that. I'll stand by my part "I'd rather we just discuss this here (Me & Shirbu.) and come to some sort of agreement; we do not need to completely agree or even agree at all. Even if this goes no where." and ask for this to be closed now.

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Re: [Shirbu] SumFagPlayTester - Completely ended a round as Cap during MALF due to racist song request

Postby Arianya » Thu May 07, 2020 7:53 pm #561018

As the complainant has stated that they would like their complaint closed, closing this up.

If this is in error, please PM me.
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