This whole thing is a mess.
The event, the ahelps, the complaint itself and the
exceedingly unhelpful peanut responses to it all make for a very confusing jumble.
Between this thread and the multiple peanut threads it has inspired, it's become quite evident that many important details from this incident are being omitted or misremembered, intentionally or otherwise.
For this reason, let's dig into the logs to establish some important facts:
In your initial complaint, you state:
Tarchonvaagh wrote:
Round starts, shortly after rolling traitor I gain access to the syndicate channel, and it turns out that i've become part of an event! Great - I think, and enter maintenance for a pair of black gloves only to run into the "syndicate coordinator", then I buy a chameleon kit and agent ID because my cover's been blown (details can be found in the logs).
So then, how did your cover get blown?
In the 02:56 between Sticky VV-implanting you with a syndicate radio and his character's first announcement over syndie comms, you -
a traitor - spent a minute and a half of that time literally ALL-CAPS SCREAMING about it over
common:
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[2020-07-10 17:02:11.361] ADMIN: Stickymayhem/(Jack Steiner) checked the individual player panel for Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker).
[2020-07-10 17:02:20.632] ADMIN: Stickymayhem/(Jack Steiner) has added implant /obj/item/implant/radio/syndicate to Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker)
[2020-07-10 17:03:41.729] TCOMMS: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) [Common] "THE FUCK" (language: Galactic Common) (Port Primary Hallway (130,130,2))
[2020-07-10 17:03:47.098] TCOMMS: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) [Common] "SOMEONE IMPLANTED A SYNDIE RADIO" (language: Galactic Common) (Port Primary Hallway (131,130,2))
[2020-07-10 17:03:48.541] TCOMMS: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) [Common] "INTO ME" (language: Galactic Common) (Port Primary Hallway (131,130,2))
[2020-07-10 17:04:00.371] TCOMMS: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) [Common] "WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL" (language: Galactic Common) (Central Primary Hallway (135,127,2))
[2020-07-10 17:04:11.687] TCOMMS: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) [Common] "NO I SWEAR" (language: Galactic Common) (Central Primary Hallway (135,120,2))
[2020-07-10 17:04:35.418] TCOMMS: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) [Common] "WHAT THE HELL" (language: Galactic Common) (Central Primary Hallway (134,128,2))
[2020-07-10 17:04:54.324] TCOMMS: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) [Common] "WHY DO I HAVE A SYNDIE RADIO IMPLANT" (language: Galactic Common) (Central Primary Hallway (142,148,2))
[2020-07-10 17:04:56.182] TCOMMS: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) [Common] "AAAAAAAAA" (language: Galactic Common) (Central Primary Hallway (143,148,2))
[2020-07-10 17:05:06.485] TCOMMS: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) [Common] "WHY WOULD I START SHOUTING IF I WAS A TOT" (language: Galactic Common) (Central Primary Hallway (137,127,2))
[2020-07-10 17:05:13.707] TCOMMS: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) [Common] "LOOK JUST REMOVE IT OK?" (language: Galactic Common) (Central Primary Hallway (134,123,2))
[2020-07-10 17:05:16.428] TCOMMS: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) [Syndicate] "ATTENTION SYNDICATE AGENTS" (language: Galactic Common) (Port Maintenance (75,101,2))
[2020-07-10 17:05:43.276] TCOMMS: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) [Syndicate] "You could have informed us beforehand dumbass" (language: Galactic Common) (Port Maintenance (107,105,2))
[2020-07-10 17:05:51.860] TCOMMS: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) [Syndicate] "Now i have to buy a cham" (language: Galactic Common) (Port Maintenance (85,104,2))
The suggestion that StickyMayhem could have given you some sort of advance warning is not an unreasonable one, but your befuddling choice to LOUDLY narc on yourself in this manner is what sold you out and set the stage for what was to come.
At this point, you abscond into maint and - somewhat remarkably - stumble upon Sticky the Syndicate Controller. You two have this reasonably pleasant conversation while you change into your chameleon clothing:
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[2020-07-10 17:06:04.104] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "right" (Port Maintenance (76,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:06:07.841] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "greetings" (Port Maintenance (76,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:06:09.266] SAY: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) "hOWDY" (Port Maintenance (75,101,2))
[2020-07-10 17:06:13.601] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "well" (Port Maintenance (76,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:06:19.389] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "i think I should get in" (Port Maintenance (76,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:06:27.758] SAY: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) "Good idea" (Port Maintenance (74,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:06:30.580] SAY: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) "This is the delivery point" (Port Maintenance (74,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:06:36.460] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "oooh" (Port Maintenance (75,101,2))
[2020-07-10 17:06:38.576] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "interesting" (Port Maintenance (75,101,2))
[2020-07-10 17:06:46.540] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "don't mind me" (Port Maintenance (75,101,2))
[2020-07-10 17:07:15.873] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has thrown the cargo technician's jumpsuit (Port Maintenance (75,101,2))
[2020-07-10 17:07:17.625] TCOMMS: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) [Syndicate] "There is a delivery point West of Auxiliary Power in a maintenance side room" (language: Galactic Common) (Port Maintenance (74,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:07:24.436] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has thrown the black tie (Port Maintenance (75,101,2))
We now reach an important point of contention: When asked in ahelps if you had seen Sticky's "There will be no in-fighting in the area or we'll activate your explosive implants" message over syndie comms, you stated,
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[2020-07-10 17:22:26.411] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker)->Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller): actually I was changing so i ignored the chat
In fact, the logs show that you did indeed hear this message. Not only were you standing two tiles away from the Syndicate controller when those words were transmitted, but your own in-game statements confirm your receipt of them. To be fair, you have acknowledged as much in your most recent post, but seeing as you decided to hide these log lines behind spoilertext, it seems prudent to reproduce them here:
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[2020-07-10 17:07:33.466] TCOMMS: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) [Syndicate] "There will be no in-fighting in the area or we'll activate your explosive implants" (language: Galactic Common) (Port Maintenance (74,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:07:51.083] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "explosive implant" (Port Maintenance (75,101,2))
[2020-07-10 17:07:52.837] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "good to know" (Port Maintenance (75,101,2))
You two continue your conversation as Sticky continues to outline the details of the event:
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[2020-07-10 17:07:57.075] TCOMMS: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) [Syndicate] "We first require a full set of teleporter boards, either printed or from the teleporter. We will provide 10 telecrystals in payment." (language: Galactic Common) (Port Maintenance (74,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:08:08.450] TCOMMS: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) [Syndicate] "Listening post can coordinate group activity" (language: Galactic Common) (Port Maintenance (74,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:08:30.947] TCOMMS: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) [Syndicate] "Only the first offer will be accepted. When a job is done we'll put out the next one." (language: Galactic Common) (Port Maintenance (74,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:08:34.863] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "teleporter boards?" (Port Maintenance (75,101,2))
[2020-07-10 17:08:40.109] SAY: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) "Yep" (Port Maintenance (75,103,2))
[2020-07-10 17:08:43.731] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "as in the three required machines?" (Port Maintenance (75,101,2))
[2020-07-10 17:08:49.187] SAY: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) "Yep" (Port Maintenance (75,103,2))
[2020-07-10 17:08:50.920] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "got it chief" (Port Maintenance (75,101,2))
[2020-07-10 17:09:25.938] SAY: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) "Clear the stuff out if you dont mind" (Port Maintenance (74,103,2))
[2020-07-10 17:09:32.511] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has thrown the toolbelt (Port Maintenance (75,101,2))
[2020-07-10 17:09:33.749] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has thrown the black tie (Port Maintenance (75,101,2))
[2020-07-10 17:10:02.320] TCOMMS: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) [Syndicate] "Please use our listening post agent to coordinate activity." (language: Galactic Common) (Port Maintenance (74,103,2))
[2020-07-10 17:10:36.919] TCOMMS: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) [Syndicate] "The coordinates of the drop point are 74, 103, 2" (language: Galactic Common) (Port Maintenance (74,103,2))
It is at this point...
...that the Curator, REALB/Whitaker "Bad Penny" Swarner turns up, having spent his time leading up to this making jokes about being an antag over comms (he wasn't) and engaging in His Grace-related hijinks:
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[2020-07-10 17:10:37.294] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "hi" (Port Maintenance (76,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:10:41.174] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "well" (Port Maintenance (76,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:10:41.240] SAY: REALB/(Whitaker Swarner) "ah yes" (Port Maintenance (77,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:10:44.101] SAY: REALB/(Whitaker Swarner) "this is the syndie point" (Port Maintenance (77,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:10:47.125] SAY: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) "i found this place" (Port Maintenance (74,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:10:52.896] SAY: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) "Howdy" (Port Maintenance (74,103,2))
[2020-07-10 17:10:54.389] SAY: REALB/(Whitaker Swarner) "hello good sir" (Port Maintenance (75,103,2))
[2020-07-10 17:10:54.727] SAY: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) "Got the boards?" (Port Maintenance (74,103,2))
Here, seven long seconds pass:
The curator starts to move...
You ready your Makarov...
The Syndicate Controller...probably kicks around a vegan recipe to make for dinner? It's impossible for us to know...
Finally, the Curator breaks the tension and gives the Controller a shove:
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[2020-07-10 17:11:03.453] ATTACK: REALB/(Whitaker Swarner) has shoved Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Port Maintenance (75,103,2))
A
quarter of a second later, you open fire:
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[2020-07-10 17:11:03.722] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Port Maintenance (Port Maintenance (75,102,2))
Both the controller and the curator land in a tumble on the same tile.
You continue to empty your magazine into the melee. Some of your rounds drive into the Curator, others into the wall and floor:
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[2020-07-10 17:11:03.724] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has shot REALB/(Whitaker Swarner) with 9mm bullet (NEWHP: 100) (Port Maintenance (75,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:11:04.431] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Port Maintenance (Port Maintenance (75,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:11:04.433] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has shot REALB/(Whitaker Swarner) with 9mm bullet (NEWHP: 70) (Port Maintenance (75,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:11:04.937] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Port Maintenance (Port Maintenance (75,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:11:05.556] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has fired at [wall] with 9mm bullet from Port Maintenance (Port Maintenance (75,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:11:06.460] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has fired at [wall] with 9mm bullet from Port Maintenance (Port Maintenance (77,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:11:06.581] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has shot REALB/(Whitaker Swarner) with 9mm bullet (NEWHP: 40) (Port Maintenance (77,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:11:07.109] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has fired at [reinforced window] with 9mm bullet from Port Maintenance (Port Maintenance (77,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:11:07.532] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has fired at [wall] with 9mm bullet from Port Maintenance (Port Maintenance (77,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:11:07.654] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has shot REALB/(Whitaker Swarner) with 9mm bullet (NEWHP: 10) (Port Maintenance (77,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:11:08.327] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has fired at [command megaphone] with 9mm bullet from Port Maintenance (Port Maintenance (77,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:11:08.408] ATTACK: Tarchonvaagh/(Mathias Hawker) has shot REALB/(Whitaker Swarner) with 9mm bullet (NEWHP: -20) (Port Maintenance (77,102,2))
Somewhere between bullets, having seen that fighting is occurring not just in "the area," but in the very room in which he has set up shop, Sticky activates his macrobomb.
The results are predicable:
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[2020-07-10 17:11:16.018] ATTACK: @Stickymayhem[DC]/(Syndicate Controller) has died (BRUTE: 0, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0) (Port Maintenance (75,102,2))
[2020-07-10 17:11:16.212] ATTACK: REALB/(Whitaker Swarner) has died (BRUTE: 150, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 1.33333, CLONE: 0) (Port Maintenance (75,102,2))
As you hightail it, you are gibbed:
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[2020-07-10 17:11:31.539] ADMIN: Stickymayhem/(Syndicate Controller) punished *no key*/(Mathias Hawker) with Gib.
This is a bad outcome. It is not however - given the events that led up to it - a
surprising outcome.
What we have here are two people making bad (sometimes baffling) decisions while in possession of incomplete or misconstrued information.
While we agree that Sticky could have handled this event more carefully, their actions fit within a logical, if hastily slapdash, framework.
They did not force you to narc on yourself over common. They did not teleport you into the room in which they were hiding. They did not force you to empty a magazine into the same room despite previously issuing a dire warning against violence that you both heard and acknowledged.
Your ultimate fate was almost completely the result of choices you made and
not the result of administrative power abuse.
For this reason, we are not upholding this complaint.
With this said, we would
strongly encourage Stickymayhem to approach any similar situations in the future with more empathy and consideration for the aggrieved party.
As a default, every player should expect harsh IC consequences. They shouldn't, however, expect harsh ahelp replies when they find themselves holding the wrong end of your event stick.
Headmin votes:
Coconutwarrior97: Do not uphold.
Phuzzylodgik: Do not uphold.
TWATICUS: Do not uphold.