[Borisvanmemes] XtremeSavageXD - Smited for Doing Antag Stuff as Antag

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[Borisvanmemes] XtremeSavageXD - Smited for Doing Antag Stuff as Antag

Post by XtremeSavageXD » #584158

Sybil Round 152363
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Admin: Borisvanmemes


Was Mime, got onto bridge, got a captain ID, proceeded to purchase Asteroid Shuttle and asked for nuke codes, specifically saying "gimme the codes bitch". Was then killed by "Divine Retribution" ---- Borisvanmemes then proceeded to say in dchat, "I smote him for asking for the nuke codes with a shit reason." ---- I don't understand why an AdminTrainer thinks he has the power or the responsibility to remove an antag from play because of his opinion of that antag's actions. I admit it was a stupid message, but he could have just not responded. Instead, he insta killed me, an antag with objectives. I am asking for antag token in place of my round, and that the admin be given a warning. I don't expect the most professionalism at TG, but I don't play this server to be killed by an admin on a whim. For context, while this was happening, grey tide had killed the entirety of command and stormed the bridge, and I saw nothing happen to them for the entirety of the round, at least ban wise. This is the stuff that gives TG a bad name. My round shouldn't be getting ruined by an abuse of power.
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Re: Smited for Doing Antag Stuff as Antag

Post by Arianya » #584165

As a point of precedent, sending a shit nuke request code/message/other to CentComm or the Syndicates can and will result in you being inflicted with revenge by them. This applies whether or not you are an antagonist.

Typically this takes the forms of lesser retaliation then instant death, but can vary depending on how "annoyed" the receiving party is. It's worth noting that this reaction is not typically affected by antagonist status however.
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Re: Smited for Doing Antag Stuff as Antag

Post by Boris » #584171

Relevent logs, unscrubbed apart from a single line of asay.
Spoiler:
[2020-12-17 18:43:59.432] SAY: XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night) has requested the nuclear codes from CentCom with reason "Gimme da codes bitch" (Captain's Office (120,125,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:00.391] EMOTE: 1210a/(Mr. Roboto) honks. (Brig (114,171,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:00.972] EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (62)) gasps! (Xenobiology Lab (167,90,3))
[2020-12-17 18:44:01.355] WHISPER: Rageguy505/(Gordon Morgan) "im just a lawyer" (Fore Maintenance (132,160,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:02.517] SAY: Ighj123/(Ruby Sulyard) "Someone get him" (Medbay Lobby (142,124,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:04.256] SAY: Retlaw34/(Saak Ereel) "yes you can" (Icemoon Caves (141,107,2))
[2020-12-17 18:44:06.774] SAY: Bobonoba/(Jackson Hardy) "he is a witness" (Fore Maintenance (132,161,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:06.875] EMOTE: *no key*/(mouse) squeaks. (Fore Maintenance (120,160,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:09.324] EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (62)) lets out a faint chimper as it collapses and stops moving... (Xenobiology Lab (168,90,3))
[2020-12-17 18:44:10.650] EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (244)) screeches. (Virology (159,99,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:11.284] SAY: Doctor Frog/(Peter Small) "Ouch" (Medbay Central (144,118,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:11.356] ADMIN: Borisvanmemes/(Tam Lin) punished XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night) with :B:erforate.
[2020-12-17 18:44:12.448] SAY: Ighj123/(Ruby Sulyard) "Hes using one of the Korol gang's name" (Medbay Lobby (142,126,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:13.877] SAY: Doctor Frog/(Peter Small) "Leg" (Medbay Central (144,117,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:13.916] SAY: *no key*/(cow) "MOOOOOO" FORCED by poly (Holding Facility (103,71,1))
[2020-12-17 18:44:13.955] SAY: *no key*/(�chicken) "Bwaak bwak." FORCED by poly (Holding Facility (102,71,1))
[2020-12-17 18:44:14.197] SAY: AugustApril/(Xavier Mosser) "oi" (Starboard Primary Hallway (152,131,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:14.642] SAY: Bobonoba/(Jackson Hardy) "also he is a lawyer bound to the law" (Fore Maintenance (132,161,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:14.817] EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (810)) lets out a faint chimper as it collapses and stops moving... (Xenobiology Lab (169,85,3))
[2020-12-17 18:44:14.835] SAY: Mindstormy/(Chance Pattington) "haha" (Central Primary Hallway (112,140,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:15.480] EMOTE: XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night) seizes up and falls limp, their eyes dead and lifeless... (Captain's Office (121,129,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:17.325] GAME: *no key*/(Silent Night) *no key*/(Silent Night) is no longer owning mob Korol Konets(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Captain's Office (121,129,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:17.325] ACCESS: Mob Login: XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
[2020-12-17 18:44:17.353] GAME: XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night) Client XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night) has taken ownership of mob Silent Night(/mob/dead/observer) (Captain's Office (121,129,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:17.707] EMOTE: Chug gunderson/(Chug Gunderson) coughs! (Starboard Primary Hallway (167,128,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:20.104] EMOTE: *no key*/(red adult slime (877)) jiggles! (Xenobiology Lab (175,90,3))
[2020-12-17 18:44:20.239] SAY: XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night) (DEAD) "oh" (Captain's Office (121,130,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:20.366] EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (244)) screeches. (Virology (158,99,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:20.529] SAY: Superslay5203/(Nolan Basinger) (DEAD) "nice" (Captain's Office (120,128,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:20.533] SAY: TobyM88/(Jack Argosiev) (DEAD) "ouch!" (Captain's Office (120,128,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:20.639] SAY: AarontheIdiot/(Aaron Browne) (DEAD) "jesus christ" (Captain's Office (120,128,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:20.710] WHISPER: Rageguy505/(Gordon Morgan) "ok" (Fore Maintenance (132,160,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:20.715] EMOTE: Rageguy505/(Gordon Morgan) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (Fore Maintenance (132,160,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:21.138] EMOTE: *no key*/(mouse) squeaks. (Starboard Bow Maintenance (154,149,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:21.141] EMOTE: *no key*/(Runtime) mews. (Chief Medical Officer's Office (152,126,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:21.227] GAME: *no key*/(Gordon Morgan) *no key*/(Gordon Morgan) is no longer owning mob Gordon Morgan(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Fore Maintenance (132,160,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:21.227] ACCESS: Mob Login: Rageguy505/(Gordon Morgan) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
[2020-12-17 18:44:21.249] GAME: Rageguy505/(Gordon Morgan) Client Rageguy505/(Gordon Morgan) has taken ownership of mob Gordon Morgan(/mob/dead/observer) (Fore Maintenance (132,160,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:22.341] SAY: Richard_Blake/(Florence Richardson) (Telepathy to AugustApril/(Xavier Mosser)) "I CAN REEEAAAD YOUR MIIIIND" (Starboard Primary Hallway (150,131,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:22.424] SAY: Soyoboyo/(Koral Konets) (DEAD) "based" (Captain's Office (119,131,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:22.692] SAY: SuperNovaa41/(Korol Scherets) (DEAD) "nice" (AI Upload Chamber (118,132,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:23.236] EMOTE: *no key*/(Runtime) stretches out for a belly rub. (Chief Medical Officer's Office (152,126,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:23.960] SAY: XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night) (DEAD) "nice" (Captain's Office (121,130,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:24.092] SAY: Syruse Eln/(Bob Oakland) (DEAD) "what the fuck happened to the mime" (Captain's Office (119,129,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:25.731] EMOTE: *no key*/(Runtime) stretches out for a belly rub. (Chief Medical Officer's Office (152,126,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:26.825] EMOTE: Bobonoba/(Jackson Hardy) dances around happily. (Fore Maintenance (132,161,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:26.968] SAY: Ighj123/(Ruby Sulyard) "MIME YOU MOTHERFUCKER" (Central Primary Hallway (125,134,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:27.562] SAY: InvalidArgument/(INV) "you're doing good mediborg" (AI Chamber (150,32,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:28.778] SAY: Rageguy505/(Gordon Morgan) (DEAD) "dang" (Fore Maintenance (133,160,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:28.948] SAY: Soyoboyo/(Koral Konets) (DEAD) "admin intervention" (Captain's Office (119,131,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:29.590] GAME: DYNAMIC: 10 players volunteered for Nightmare.
[2020-12-17 18:44:29.600] GAME: *no key*/(Korol Konets) *no key*/(Korol Konets) is no longer owning mob Korol Konets(/mob/dead/observer) (Bridge (115,136,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:29.600] ACCESS: Mob Login: Jackrip/(Darren Lester) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human
[2020-12-17 18:44:29.604] GAME: Jackrip/(Darren Lester) Client Jackrip/(Darren Lester) has taken ownership of mob Darren Lester(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Port Bow Maintenance (67,161,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:29.606] GAME: Jackrip/(Darren Lester) has gained antag datum Nightmare(/datum/antagonist/nightmare)
[2020-12-17 18:44:29.616] GAME: Jackrip/(Darren Lester) Darren Lester name changed from to Mii`mahza (Port Bow Maintenance (67,161,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:29.617] GAME: DYNAMIC: Jackrip/(Mii`mahza) was spawned as a Nightmare by the midround ruleset.
[2020-12-17 18:44:29.621] GAME: DYNAMIC: Injected a midround ruleset Nightmare.
[2020-12-17 18:44:29.630] SAY: AarontheIdiot/(Aaron Browne) (DEAD) "divine retributiuon" (Captain's Office (120,128,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:29.851] EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (139)) screeches. (Virology (158,99,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:30.580] SAY: TobyM88/(Jack Argosiev) (DEAD) "divine judgment" (Captain's Office (120,128,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:30.750] SAY: Darklordrus/(Camille Garland) "i wanna make later phazons so if we have blue corse i make one ya" (Robotics Lab (167,118,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:31.075] SAY: Bobonoba/(Jackson Hardy) "lemme trigger more shit" (Fore Maintenance (132,161,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:31.888] SAY: Rocko1345/(Jazz Red Sun) (guardian) "I just heard a shitton of automatic fire" (Central Primary Hallway (96,128,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:31.906] EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (260)) screeches. (Virology (158,98,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:32.236] SAY: AugustApril/(Xavier Mosser) "neat" (Starboard Primary Hallway (151,131,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:32.955] SAY: *no key*/(orange baby slime (287)) "Slime friend..." (Xenobiology Lab (174,97,3))
[2020-12-17 18:44:33.076] GAME: Usnpeepoo/(Flint Hutton) fired /datum/reagent/consumable/condensedcapsaicin (45u) from a pepperspray at Brig Control (113,174,4).
[2020-12-17 18:44:33.464] EMOTE: *no key*/(Runtime) walks around. (Chief Medical Officer's Office (152,126,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:34.155] ADMIN: DSAY: Borisvanmemes/(Tam Lin) "I smote him for asking for the nukecodes with a shit reason." (Icemoon Wastes (44,227,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:35.286] GAME: Usnpeepoo/(Flint Hutton) fired /datum/reagent/consumable/condensedcapsaicin (40u) from a pepperspray at Brig Control (115,174,4).
[2020-12-17 18:44:35.471] SAY: InvalidArgument/(INV) "make sure to get upgrades" (AI Chamber (150,32,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:35.993] EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (260)) screeches. (Virology (158,98,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:36.506] SAY: *no key*/(�Medibot) "I knew it, I should've been a plastic surgeon." (CentCom Transport Shuttle Dock (154,73,1))
[2020-12-17 18:44:36.512] SAY: *no key*/(cow) "moo" FORCED by poly (Holding Facility (103,71,1))
[2020-12-17 18:44:37.039] EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (404)) screeches. (Xenobiology Lab (167,90,3))
[2020-12-17 18:44:37.084] SAY: Suppism/(Jackson Hardy) "sURE." (Fore Maintenance (132,161,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:37.520] GAME: Usnpeepoo/(Flint Hutton) fired /datum/reagent/consumable/condensedcapsaicin (35u) from a pepperspray at Brig Control (112,175,4).
[2020-12-17 18:44:38.066] EMOTE: Chug gunderson/(Chug Gunderson) coughs! (Toxins Mixing Lab (185,96,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:38.685] SAY: XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night) (DEAD) "jesus" (Captain's Office (121,130,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:38.788] SAY: InfernusGamer/(Lucca Skywalker) (guardian) "fuck" (Port Primary Hallway (82,140,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:39.016] EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (260)) screeches. (Virology (158,98,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:40.212] SAY: Syruse Eln/(Bob Oakland) (DEAD) "gay" (Captain's Office (119,129,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:40.528] SAY: 1210a/(Mr. Roboto) "I am the medbay" (Robotics Lab (172,122,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:40.528] SAY: 1210a/(Mr. Roboto) (binary) "I am the medbay" (Robotics Lab (172,122,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:40.839] SAY: TobyM88/(Jack Argosiev) (DEAD) "based boris" (Captain's Office (120,129,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:42.701] SAY: SuperNovaa41/(Korol Scherets) (DEAD) "bruh???" (Port Bow Maintenance (67,161,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:42.707] SAY: Mindstormy/(Chance Pattington) "sup" (Bar (141,136,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:42.849] EMOTE: Tragic Jr/(Phillip Gray) coughs! (Bar (143,136,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:42.948] SAY: Grim Reaper0O7/(Zoe) (DEAD) "what was the reason?" (Captain's Office (122,129,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:43.361] EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (404)) screeches. (Xenobiology Lab (167,90,3))
[2020-12-17 18:44:43.381] SAY: Fellout2/(Roxanne Seymore) (DEAD) "Good" (Robotics Lab (174,125,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:44.521] EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (404)) screeches. (Xenobiology Lab (167,90,3))
[2020-12-17 18:44:44.637] SAY: Richard_Blake/(Florence Richardson) (Telepathy to AugustApril/(Xavier Mosser)) "I'm basically a cheap poltergeist" (Starboard Primary Hallway (150,131,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:45.592] EMOTE: Chug gunderson/(Chug Gunderson) coughs! (Toxins Mixing Chamber (190,101,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:45.738] EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (461)) screams. (Kitchen (149,141,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:46.315] SAY: *no key*/(Poly) "Ask the CE here" FORCED by poly (Chief Engineer's Office (118,83,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:46.822] SAY: ZealousZeke/(Hungry Scott) "whoops" (Robotics Lab (167,119,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:49.714] SAY: XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night) (DEAD) "welp" (Captain's Office (121,130,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:51.036] SAY: Soyoboyo/(Koral Konets) (DEAD) "HE'S AFK" (Port Bow Maintenance (67,161,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:51.509] SAY: AarontheIdiot/(Aaron Browne) (DEAD) "i wasnt paying atttention what was the reason" (Bridge (113,137,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:51.631] SAY: 1210a/(Mr. Roboto) "yes I have a moment to spare now" (Robotics Lab (173,121,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:51.631] SAY: 1210a/(Mr. Roboto) (binary) "Yes I have a moment to spare now" (Robotics Lab (173,121,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:51.985] SAY: Tragic Jr/(Phillip Gray) "most of these drinks are strong" (Bar (143,135,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:52.171] EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (260)) screeches. (Virology (158,99,4))
[2020-12-17 18:44:53.602] SAY: XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night) (DEAD) "there goes my antag" (Captain's Office (121,130,4))
The ahelp's logs.
Spoiler:
[2020-12-17 18:45:30.681] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #2: XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night): I dont understand why I was smote for doing antag shit - heard by 3 non-AFK admins who have +BAN.
[2020-12-17 18:45:55.251] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Borisvanmemes/(Tam Lin)->XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night): If you ask for the nukecodes with the reason of "Give me da codes bitch" I'm smiting you.
[2020-12-17 18:46:06.252] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Borisvanmemes/(Tam Lin)->XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night): If you do not like that, don't ask for the nukecodes with a dumb reason.
[2020-12-17 18:46:22.202] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night)->Borisvanmemes/(Tam Lin): you literally have korol gang killing command but I get smoted on an antag round for asking for nuke codes
[2020-12-17 18:46:59.112] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Borisvanmemes/(Tam Lin)->XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night): You assume I'm not going to deal with them.
[2020-12-17 18:47:37.239] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: XtremeSavageXD/(Silent Night)->Borisvanmemes/(Tam Lin): I just don't like getting killed on a antag round by an admeme for a joke, but hey, hope you enjoyed it
Both taken from here. https://tgstation13.org/raw-logs/sybil/ ... 3/game.log

I was unaware that you were an antag when you got smote, nor would it have changed anything.
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Re: Smited for Doing Antag Stuff as Antag

Post by XtremeSavageXD » #584187

Arianya wrote:As a point of precedent, sending a shit nuke request code/message/other to CentComm or the Syndicates can and will result in you being inflicted with revenge by them. This applies whether or not you are an antagonist.

Typically this takes the forms of lesser retaliation then instant death, but can vary depending on how "annoyed" the receiving party is. It's worth noting that this reaction is not typically affected by antagonist status however.


I'm not sure why instant death is seen as a valid answer to an ingame joke, especially seeing how it all "depends" on the admins mood. That seems like a pretty long stretch of power there.
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Re: Smited for Doing Antag Stuff as Antag

Post by Vekter » #584261

XtremeSavageXD wrote:
Arianya wrote:As a point of precedent, sending a shit nuke request code/message/other to CentComm or the Syndicates can and will result in you being inflicted with revenge by them. This applies whether or not you are an antagonist.

Typically this takes the forms of lesser retaliation then instant death, but can vary depending on how "annoyed" the receiving party is. It's worth noting that this reaction is not typically affected by antagonist status however.


I'm not sure why instant death is seen as a valid answer to an ingame joke, especially seeing how it all "depends" on the admins mood. That seems like a pretty long stretch of power there.
It's generally considered poor form to ask the all-powerful multi-planetary corporation for codes to destroy their space station, especially if you're clearly being rude in the process.
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Re: Smited for Doing Antag Stuff as Antag

Post by XtremeSavageXD » #584263

Vekter wrote:
XtremeSavageXD wrote:
Arianya wrote:As a point of precedent, sending a shit nuke request code/message/other to CentComm or the Syndicates can and will result in you being inflicted with revenge by them. This applies whether or not you are an antagonist.

Typically this takes the forms of lesser retaliation then instant death, but can vary depending on how "annoyed" the receiving party is. It's worth noting that this reaction is not typically affected by antagonist status however.


I'm not sure why instant death is seen as a valid answer to an ingame joke, especially seeing how it all "depends" on the admins mood. That seems like a pretty long stretch of power there.
It's generally considered poor form to ask the all-powerful multi-planetary corporation for codes to destroy their space station, especially if you're clearly being rude in the process.
i wasent aware that syndicate operatives cared about proper form or being polite. The whole point of this report was that i preformed an antagonistic action and was removed from the round due to an admin, and as I already quoted, “being annoyed”. There’s a stark difference between shooting a fireball at me and giving me 20 burn damage and removing me from the round. And as the precedent apparently revolves on the Admin’s “emotions” and how much they are “annoyed” they get to decide weather they kill or not. I think that Rule One has been violated here, as I pointed out the lethality and and permanent way of killing, especially when admins have a range of response options. But no, this admin chose not to send a singular fireball, not to cream pie me, not to even ahelp me on why i did it, he just killed me. The abuse of power is evident.
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Re: [Borisvanmemes] XtremeSavageXD - Smited for Doing Antag Stuff as Antag

Post by Okand37 » #584275

In an attempt to shed light on this situation: any direct line of communication to the administrators including prayers, adminhelps, and the centcom/syndicate message systems are generally treated a bit differently regarding responses and what might be constituted as spam or junk. The problem here lies in the request for nuke codes being viewed as an antagonistic action for which you were punished--which is wrong. Asking for nuke codes may have in-character repercussions from your fellow crew members, and you are certainly within your right to ask for codes and blow up the station provided you received them, but the manner which you engaged with it could be perceived as a misuse of this communication tool.

Let's look at this example through the lens of a prayer: whether or not you are an antagonist does not matter in your prayers. If you misuse prayers and send the admins a message containing "gimmie free stuff bitch" you'd likely receive a similar if not lesser response. While prayers can be muted, they're a way of contacting the admins, and begin to step into out-of-character territory with admins. Praying nonsense, spam, or junk can potentially lead you to being poked, prodded, bumped, and even potentially muted.

On the other hand of the extreme are adminhelps. If you adminhelp nonsense, you're likely to get your ticket closed or told to shove off. If you continue this kind of behaviour, you're likely to get adminhelp muted or punished due to your abuse of a system intended to be used for genuine questions or concerns.

Messages to central or syndicate command fall somewhere between. Let's take a look at messages: unlike prayers, they cannot-to my understanding-be muted. Central command announcements will show up through text with their own header as a way of letting admins see them--particularly for important communication. When you go to send a message, keep in mind you're given a warning that misuse can lead to termination. You are, by every account, acknowledging this when you choose to send a message. This is also true of nuclear code request. You can view the message as it shows on the console here:
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While I won't make any comment regarding whether the severity is justified or the reasoning behind it, as it is not relevant to my message, the intent is to decree that by using the communication consoles to send a message or request codes, you are absolutely agreeing to forfeiture of life through misuse and, in this case, "gimmie the codes bitch" is certainly tired.
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Re: [Borisvanmemes] XtremeSavageXD - Smited for Doing Antag Stuff as Antag

Post by XtremeSavageXD » #584310

Regardless of the outcome of the thread, id like to clarify that i wasent trying to call any administrator a bitc*, that was aimed more at CentComm. And i’m not saying that antags should be given immunity from being smited for spamming prayers or the messages, I just don’t think that a one time alert should be punished with instant death. In all honesty, I could care less about dying after sending something dumb to CC, but when a player only receives antagonist sparingly and the round is in full go, the impact of removing them from the round outweighs the need to ass blast them in retaliation. If nothing else comes from this thread, i’d just ask that the admin consider that before clicking a button that drastically changes a players experience.
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Re: [Borisvanmemes] XtremeSavageXD - Smited for Doing Antag Stuff as Antag

Post by Domitius » #586248

First I want to apologize for the delay on this complaint. The holidays dragged us around a bunch but that shouldn't have gotten in the way of handling this.

Quick recap time. Player(XtremeSavageXD) hits a button with a big warning label saying abuse can result in termination. Admin(Borisvanmemes) determines this to be abuse and exercises their tools to deliver retribution. Player dies do to wounds sustained by said smite from Admin.

During this time Borisvanmemes did not break admin conduct and we believe their use of tools here to smite XtremeSavageXD to be well within the realms of their intended use. We believe they did not abuse their toolkit during this incident.

While we don't intend to uphold this complaint we do want to recognize that this was an extremely unfun way to interact with a player. We hope in the future that all admins be more selective with how they smite players if it isn't going to improve the round or contribute positively to the players experience.

Headmin Votes:
Coconutwarrior97: Do not uphold.
Domitius: Do not uphold.
Naloac: Do not uphold.
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