[spookiboogi] Doom2HellonEarth - Incorrectly marked as an IC issue

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[spookiboogi] Doom2HellonEarth - Incorrectly marked as an IC issue

Post by doom2hellonearth » #588590

When and where this incident occured (Game Server, forums, Discord):Sybil
Byond account and character name OR Discord name: Doom2HellonEarth/Alan Moorison/Serpico (doom2hellonearth)
Admin:spookiboogi
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE:154898
Detailed summary: at the beginning of the round I was assigned head of security. on the security comms, AI asked me to get the captain's locker, since at the time, there was no captain.
[2021-01-24 07:56:13.562] SAY: Coolius555/(N.P.C) "unga bunga get locker before assistant steal" (AI Chamber (214,143,2))
Me and Anchovy Sardine went down to the primary hallway. Then Roberto Ust started following us, along with Andrew Johnes, and of course, they started attacking us.
Spoiler:
[2021-01-24 07:58:53.121] ATTACK: Pirao/(Andrew Johnes) has shoved DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) with loosening his grip on the riot shotgun (NEWHP: 100) (Central Primary Hallway (87,130,2))
[2021-01-24 07:58:57.654] ATTACK: GenericWittyNameHere/(Roberto Ust) has shoved DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) (NEWHP: 100) (Central Primary Hallway (89,126,2))
[2021-01-24 07:58:58.752] ATTACK: GenericWittyNameHere/(Roberto Ust) has shoved DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) (NEWHP: 100) (Central Primary Hallway (89,120,2))
[2021-01-24 07:58:59.627] ATTACK: GenericWittyNameHere/(Roberto Ust) has shoved DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Central Primary Hallway (89,116,2))
so we tried to run away, shooting at them as we ran with the captains' locker, but then got jumped by 6 more people. Madalyn Burkett, Mikal Blak, Harold Atred, Josie Rader, John Smith, Bagel Jones
Spoiler:
[2021-01-24 07:59:42.754] ATTACK: BadUsername/(Harold Atred) has shoved ET912/(Anchovy Sardine) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Medbay Central (99,109,2))
[2021-01-24 07:59:44.454] ATTACK: BadUsername/(Harold Atred) has grabbed GenericWittyNameHere/(Roberto Ust) passive grab (NEWHP: 85.1) (Medbay Central (98,109,2))
[2021-01-24 07:59:47.490] ATTACK: BadUsername/(Harold Atred) has shoved DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) (NEWHP: 100) (Medbay Central (99,109,2))
[2021-01-24 07:59:48.467] ATTACK: BadUsername/(Harold Atred) has shoved DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) (NEWHP: 100) (Medbay Central (100,109,2))
[2021-01-24 07:59:52.339] ATTACK: FrostBlaze/(Josie Rader) has thrown the fedora (Medbay Central (101,109,2))
[2021-01-24 07:59:52.340] ATTACK: FrostBlaze/(Josie Rader) has threw and hit Dogmens/(Madalyn Burkett) with the fedora (NEWHP: 83.4) (Medbay Central (101,109,2))
[2021-01-24 07:59:55.383] ATTACK: Dogmens/(Madalyn Burkett) has thrown the fedora (Medbay Central (105,109,2))
[2021-01-24 07:59:55.388] ATTACK: Dogmens/(Madalyn Burkett) has threw and hit FrostBlaze/(Josie Rader) with the fedora (NEWHP: 75.3) (Medbay Central (105,109,2))
[2021-01-24 07:59:58.906] ATTACK: BadUsername/(Harold Atred) has shoved Pirao/(Andrew Johnes) (NEWHP: 100) (Aft Primary Hallway (106,103,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:00.249] ATTACK: BadUsername/(Harold Atred) has shoved GenericWittyNameHere/(Roberto Ust) with into Alan Moorison (NEWHP: 85.1) (Aft Primary Hallway (107,107,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:03.335] ATTACK: FrostBlaze/(Josie Rader) has shoved DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) with into John Smith (NEWHP: 100) (Aft Primary Hallway (106,109,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:04.057] ATTACK: BadUsername/(Harold Atred) has shoved ET912/(Anchovy Sardine) (NEWHP: 100) (Research Division (111,108,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:04.531] ATTACK: FrostBlaze/(Josie Rader) has attacked DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) with fedora (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 100) (Aft Primary Hallway (106,109,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:05.552] ATTACK: FrostBlaze/(Josie Rader) has shoved DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) (NEWHP: 100) (Aft Primary Hallway (106,109,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:06.790] ATTACK: FrostBlaze/(Josie Rader) has shoved U have small PP/(John Smith) (NEWHP: 100) (Aft Primary Hallway (107,109,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:07.651] ATTACK: FrostBlaze/(Josie Rader) has shoved DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) (NEWHP: 100) (Aft Primary Hallway (107,109,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:08.296] ATTACK: GenericWittyNameHere/(Roberto Ust) has shoved ET912/(Anchovy Sardine) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Research Division (112,109,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:08.659] ATTACK: FrostBlaze/(Josie Rader) has shoved DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Aft Primary Hallway (108,109,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:08.693] ATTACK: BadUsername/(Harold Atred) has kicks DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100) (Aft Primary Hallway (108,110,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:08.694] ATTACK: BadUsername/(Harold Atred) has shoved DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Aft Primary Hallway (108,110,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:13.367] ATTACK: FrostBlaze/(Josie Rader) has thrown the fedora (Central Primary Hallway (107,114,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:13.379] ATTACK: FrostBlaze/(Josie Rader) has threw and hit Dogmens/(Madalyn Burkett) with the fedora (NEWHP: 83.4) (Central Primary Hallway (107,114,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:13.509] ATTACK: [�captain's locker] has pulled from Dogmens/(Madalyn Burkett) with Harold Atred (NEWHP: 83.4) (Central Primary Hallway (105,113,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:14.339] ATTACK: [�captain's locker] has pulled from BadUsername/(Harold Atred) with Madalyn Burkett (NEWHP: 100) (Central Primary Hallway (105,113,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:16.487] ATTACK: Dogmens/(Madalyn Burkett) has thrown the fedora (Central Primary Hallway (102,115,2))
[2021-01-24 08:00:19.535] ATTACK: BadUsername/(Harold Atred) has shoved Dogmens/(Madalyn Burkett) with into Roberto Ust (NEWHP: 83.4) (Central Primary Hallway (97,115,2))
[2021-01-24 08:01:02.237] ATTACK: Hadoom/(Bagel Jones) has shoved DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) (NEWHP: 100) (Central Primary Hallway (88,135,2))
[2021-01-24 08:01:02.491] ATTACK: DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) has stunned Hadoom/(Bagel Jones) (NEWHP: 100) (Central Primary Hallway (87,138,2))
[2021-01-24 08:01:02.497] ATTACK: DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) has attacked Hadoom/(Bagel Jones) with stun baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 92.5) (Central Primary Hallway (87,138,2))
[2021-01-24 08:01:03.233] ATTACK: [�captain's locker] has pulled from DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) with Josie Rader (NEWHP: 100) (Central Primary Hallway (87,138,2))
[2021-01-24 08:01:51.443] ATTACK: U have small PP/(John Smith) has thrown the spear (Research Division (116,110,2))
The entire log is way too long to include the entire thing, but I wanted enough logs to prove that I was being attacked by 8 people around the same area and time. Eventually, and unsuprisingly, we got overrun pretty quickly. and to clarify, it was two security guards against 8 PEOPLE. so after having all my equipment stolen, including the captains locker taken away, I decided to ahelp.
greytiders with no ic intent steaking shit
there was no way 8 people were all antags (and as the logs proved, none of them were). So I thought this would be short and sweet. I'd give out names, the admin would resolve it, and all is well in the world, right? wrong. Two minutes later, it was marked as an In Character issue. To clairfy, 8 people self antagging and greytiding 4 minutes into the round Is considered an In character issue. needless to say, I didn't handle it very well
[2021-01-24 08:09:59.084] ATTACK: DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Alan Moorison) (job: Head of Security) committed suicide (Central Primary Hallway (117,144,2))
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME THEY'RE SELF ANTAGGING ITS NOT A FUCKING IN CHARACTER ISSUE
yeah. Not my finest hour. Especially considering that I started self antagging right after this round, but that's another story. I don't care what happens to spooki or any of the people I mentioned, I just wanted to put this out there because I would think the community should know about the clusterfuck I was involved in and how badly it was handled. If you feel I was wrong about anything I've said in this topic, please correct me. I can't imagine what in character reason 8 people would have to attack the head of security 4 minutes into a shift.
edit: listed wrong round
edit: forgot roundlog https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/syb ... nd-154898/
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Re: [spookiboogi] Doom2HellonEarth - Incorrectly marked as an IC issue

Post by bobbahbrown » #588591

Per forum rules ("You must link to the log file you got the logs from to make it easier to validate the context") please make sure to always include the link to the logs when posting an admin complaint or ban/note appeal.

https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/syb ... nd-154898/
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Re: [spookiboogi] Doom2HellonEarth - Incorrectly marked as an IC issue

Post by doom2hellonearth » #588592

bobbahbrown wrote:Per forum rules ("You must link to the log file you got the logs from to make it easier to validate the context") please make sure to always include the link to the logs when posting an admin complaint or ban/note appeal.

https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/syb ... nd-154898/
oversight on my part. apologies
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Re: [spookiboogi] Doom2HellonEarth - Incorrectly marked as an IC issue

Post by SpookiBoogie » #588611

Hey first of all thanks for taking the time to formally lodge a complaint. Hopefully it will be an opportunity to review how my actions directly effect the players, and help me be a more positive addition to the admin team.

The reason why I marked this as an IC issue is because, although they were being a nuisance, the attackers did not harm you a single time. Given security policy, specifically, "act like an antag, get treated like one' part of Rule 4 of the main rules also apply to security. Stunning an officer repeatedly, using lethal or restricted weapons on them, disrupting the arrests or sentences of dangerous criminals, or damaging the brig, are examples of behaviour that may make you valid for security under Rule 4." I wanted to allow you the opportunity to deal with the thieves via IC means seeing as how you were the head of security. If you're going to drag the captain's locker through the halls, you are not protected from people trying to take it. It's an IC issue that security is able to handle and punish anyone who tried to take it. Additionally I was hesitant to intervene because the assailants had not truly "greytided." Greytiding usually refers to someone breaking in to steal items, not just snatching a locker being dragged in public. Also you claim that you had ALL of your gear stolen, however after looking at the logs, the only gear you lost seems to a riot shotgun and a baton. The only log of someone attempting to strip you of your gear was someone failing to remove your beret. If they had stolen your ID I would have been much more likely to punish said player.

I apologize for being swift with the IC button. Seeing as how it has had a lasting negative on you I will make sure to explain why I am marking an issue as IC before doing so in the future. It was not my intent to upset you or ruin your round, quite the opposite actually. Thank you for bringing this to my attention so that I may learn how to better interact with players in the future.
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Re: [spookiboogi] Doom2HellonEarth - Incorrectly marked as an IC issue

Post by doom2hellonearth » #588633

SpookiBoogie wrote:Hey first of all thanks for taking the time to formally lodge a complaint. Hopefully it will be an opportunity to review how my actions directly effect the players, and help me be a more positive addition to the admin team.

The reason why I marked this as an IC issue is because, although they were being a nuisance, the attackers did not harm you a single time. Given security policy, specifically, "act like an antag, get treated like one' part of Rule 4 of the main rules also apply to security. Stunning an officer repeatedly, using lethal or restricted weapons on them, disrupting the arrests or sentences of dangerous criminals, or damaging the brig, are examples of behaviour that may make you valid for security under Rule 4." I wanted to allow you the opportunity to deal with the thieves via IC means seeing as how you were the head of security. If you're going to drag the captain's locker through the halls, you are not protected from people trying to take it. It's an IC issue that security is able to handle and punish anyone who tried to take it. Additionally I was hesitant to intervene because the assailants had not truly "greytided." Greytiding usually refers to someone breaking in to steal items, not just snatching a locker being dragged in public. Also you claim that you had ALL of your gear stolen, however after looking at the logs, the only gear you lost seems to a riot shotgun and a baton. The only log of someone attempting to strip you of your gear was someone failing to remove your beret. If they had stolen your ID I would have been much more likely to punish said player.

I apologize for being swift with the IC button. Seeing as how it has had a lasting negative on you I will make sure to explain why I am marking an issue as IC before doing so in the future. It was not my intent to upset you or ruin your round, quite the opposite actually. Thank you for bringing this to my attention so that I may learn how to better interact with players in the future.
No problem dude. I apologize for being an ass about it, I never handle this kinda stuff well
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Re: [spookiboogi] Doom2HellonEarth - Incorrectly marked as an IC issue

Post by Domitius » #588646

Seems like you two figured out the accidental confusion.

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