[Vekter] Mute Point - Failure to uphold punishment standards
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:36 am
When and where this incident occured (Game Server, forums, Discord): Manuel
Byond account and character name OR Discord name: RamenCup - Mute point
Admin: Vekter
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE: 185451
Detailed summary: I was playing as the mime, Mute Point. Everything was going fine. As I passed an atmos tech by cargo, I decided to prank him with opening his canister of BZ. Normially this wouldnt be an issue. Just close the canister and set the scrubbers to contam. After a while I am arrested by the acting captian, Cydia Medina for the BZ release. Fair enough, do the crime, do the time. When released from my cell, the SSD captian is unsecured in an area inside the brig(believe it was the medical area). So being a smart mime, I loot the captians PDA. (Grand theft). As i'm walking through the halls, I see Cydia again. I took it upon myself to mess with the crate they were hauling, and opened and closed it a number of times. After they pulled a disabler and shot me, I took a sec backpack out of the crate and made a dash for the halls. But after a very short while, I dropped the backpack without taking anything from it.
A few minutes later I pass by Cydia again in the hallways, and they instantly pull a disabler and stun me, and baton me all the way to the brig. While stunned, I ran out of O2 in my tank and proceeded to suffocate in their custody. After I was dead, they proceeded to tell other security officers and a doctor/paramed(unsure which) that they were not going to have me revived, and that I was to be re-educated, all for the theft of the captians PDA. I adminhelped, and got a response from Vekter, asking who what, when, where and why. All good questions for the situation, and I thought it was going to be handled. After all, My initial question was "Is it normal to be RR'd for stealing a captian that is SSD's ID. They responded No, and followed up with the normal questions of who, and where etc. In response, I was told that Cydia "would try and have me revived". I responded with, " Well that's kinda hard as i'm in the re-education plasma pool." No response. After following Cydia as a ghost, it was clear that they had no intention of reviving me or sending anyone. Their first order of business was to order a shuttle call, and then to go to medical to get their own character healed while advising no one of my corpse.
When I brought this to the attention of the admins, again Vekter just gave the the response of, "I discussed the matter with him and asked him not to do it again, not sure what else you want me to do here". I again explained that it has been precident for an admin to ban someone for 24hrs after a false round removal. Again they did not disagree with the fact that I had been RR'd for a wrong reason, but instead doubled down with the following, " You are aware that we don't just outright ban people for anything wrong they do, yes? He acknowledged what he did was wrong and took steps to correct it. His history is not to the point where I think he deserved a ban." If this were the case, then my apology from my ban about a month ago, would of sufficed when I was explaining myself. I had not had a single note since 2019(?), yet I still ate a full 24hr ban for my wrongfull killing of someone. This was also followed up with his response of "He's only had two notes in the last 6 months and none of them are for improper round removal. If you have issue with this, feel free to post a complaint."
So here I am, posting a complaint for failure to uphold the standard punishment standards that are perscribed by precidents and rules. Hell, I've eatten a ban or two myself. But to see that I was round removed, and just have the offending party just say "Soz, my B hommie" and get off scott free kind of ruffles my feathers a bit...
Please let me know if I am in the wrong, or if i'm just being salty over nothing. But it deff looks like this is either a case of bias, or just ignorance on how to enforce the standard of set rules and punishments that TG has made the norm over the past few years.
EDIT: I was never recovered or revived, and the response was basically, "Well the round is almost over, so I cant help you there" Unsure if thwt was a response from Vekter, or another admin. But I feel like that is a bad excuse for punishment for the guilty party. So we are now setting precident that you can RR someone close to shuttle call, (or even call the shuttle as a guilty party) and say "welp, cant do anything now, sorry"
Byond account and character name OR Discord name: RamenCup - Mute point
Admin: Vekter
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE: 185451
Detailed summary: I was playing as the mime, Mute Point. Everything was going fine. As I passed an atmos tech by cargo, I decided to prank him with opening his canister of BZ. Normially this wouldnt be an issue. Just close the canister and set the scrubbers to contam. After a while I am arrested by the acting captian, Cydia Medina for the BZ release. Fair enough, do the crime, do the time. When released from my cell, the SSD captian is unsecured in an area inside the brig(believe it was the medical area). So being a smart mime, I loot the captians PDA. (Grand theft). As i'm walking through the halls, I see Cydia again. I took it upon myself to mess with the crate they were hauling, and opened and closed it a number of times. After they pulled a disabler and shot me, I took a sec backpack out of the crate and made a dash for the halls. But after a very short while, I dropped the backpack without taking anything from it.
A few minutes later I pass by Cydia again in the hallways, and they instantly pull a disabler and stun me, and baton me all the way to the brig. While stunned, I ran out of O2 in my tank and proceeded to suffocate in their custody. After I was dead, they proceeded to tell other security officers and a doctor/paramed(unsure which) that they were not going to have me revived, and that I was to be re-educated, all for the theft of the captians PDA. I adminhelped, and got a response from Vekter, asking who what, when, where and why. All good questions for the situation, and I thought it was going to be handled. After all, My initial question was "Is it normal to be RR'd for stealing a captian that is SSD's ID. They responded No, and followed up with the normal questions of who, and where etc. In response, I was told that Cydia "would try and have me revived". I responded with, " Well that's kinda hard as i'm in the re-education plasma pool." No response. After following Cydia as a ghost, it was clear that they had no intention of reviving me or sending anyone. Their first order of business was to order a shuttle call, and then to go to medical to get their own character healed while advising no one of my corpse.
When I brought this to the attention of the admins, again Vekter just gave the the response of, "I discussed the matter with him and asked him not to do it again, not sure what else you want me to do here". I again explained that it has been precident for an admin to ban someone for 24hrs after a false round removal. Again they did not disagree with the fact that I had been RR'd for a wrong reason, but instead doubled down with the following, " You are aware that we don't just outright ban people for anything wrong they do, yes? He acknowledged what he did was wrong and took steps to correct it. His history is not to the point where I think he deserved a ban." If this were the case, then my apology from my ban about a month ago, would of sufficed when I was explaining myself. I had not had a single note since 2019(?), yet I still ate a full 24hr ban for my wrongfull killing of someone. This was also followed up with his response of "He's only had two notes in the last 6 months and none of them are for improper round removal. If you have issue with this, feel free to post a complaint."
So here I am, posting a complaint for failure to uphold the standard punishment standards that are perscribed by precidents and rules. Hell, I've eatten a ban or two myself. But to see that I was round removed, and just have the offending party just say "Soz, my B hommie" and get off scott free kind of ruffles my feathers a bit...
Please let me know if I am in the wrong, or if i'm just being salty over nothing. But it deff looks like this is either a case of bias, or just ignorance on how to enforce the standard of set rules and punishments that TG has made the norm over the past few years.
EDIT: I was never recovered or revived, and the response was basically, "Well the round is almost over, so I cant help you there" Unsure if thwt was a response from Vekter, or another admin. But I feel like that is a bad excuse for punishment for the guilty party. So we are now setting precident that you can RR someone close to shuttle call, (or even call the shuttle as a guilty party) and say "welp, cant do anything now, sorry"