[Delaron] Unprompted Dropping of Frogs and Making them Hostile
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:31 pm
When and where this incident occured (Game Server, forums, Discord): Manuel
Byond account and character name OR Discord name: Deadeagle/TateBrier/Deadeagle#1490
Admin: Delaron
Round ID: 193953
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/man ... nd-193953/
https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/193953
General Context:
Miriam Hornet, Tate Brier (me), and Ryan Johnson are in the Icebox maintenance kitchen. We're cooking random items, and generally chatting. A few minutes in, Delaron drops something like 30 frogs, 4 monkies, and a few random medbots via supply pod into the area. None of us asked for this, there was no communication, no prompt, or other reason he might do this. For at least a little while we basically just ignored the drop because nothing was hostile, and it was just annoying at best. At some point I left, I think to bring someone else who was injured to medbay, then found out Miriam was nearly killed by the frogs who, from their perspective, randomly aggro'd. Neither of us ahelped at the time for varying reasons. For them, when I asked, it was mostly an aversion to ahelping in general. Not uncommon. For me, I wasn't sure if there was a mechanic I wasn't sure about, or if the "event" was in good faith and just misunderstood, such as not intending for them to attack. Upon inspecting the logs, however, that's clearly not the case.
Looking at the logs clearly shows Delaron spawning a ton of mobs, then explicitly possessing them in order to cause aggression. At best this is a VERY bad event, and at worst, its basically using admin tools to grief, given there was no fluff attached to it, but simply a mob drop. The thought crossed my mind that they may have mistaken one of us for another character, like Marianne who explicitly has their obsession with frogs as a funny character trait, but even if that were the case, I don't think that would excuse dropping and agressing mobs with no warning.
As one last thing - even if even if such behaviour were to be allowed, its probably just worth noting that admins should be "reading the room". I think its fairly obvious none of the three in the maintenance kitchen had any plans to draw attention to ourselves, and just wanted to have a quiet bit to simply cook and chat. Around this time, a month ago from posting, I had already noticed a pattern whenever Delaron was on, and that was that he tended to hit admin buttons a lot. To the point where for 2-3 consecutive rounds, he couldn't just let rounds play out. So I started just avoiding and not playing rounds that he was on. I realize this part can be blamed on me, mostly for not reporting or expressing my opinion on it earlier, but oh well. There's a lot of factors that kill players desire to ahelp, report, or complain, and the behaviour is already discouraged by the offical admin guidelines:
"Don't spam sounds and events. If you're queuing sounds one after the other, or if you're running an event every day, you're doing it too often."
Search phrases:
Attack.txt
[2022-11-08 16:52:13.787] ATTACK: Delaron/(frog) attacked no key/(Monkey (911)) (NEWHP: 100) (Aft Port Maintenance (77,85,4))
^ First attack
[2022-11-08 16:53:03.809] ATTACK: Delaron/(frog) attacked no key/(frog) (NEWHP: 15) (Aft Port Maintenance (77,87,4))
^ Attack that triggers frog aggression
[2022-11-08 16:53:06.674] ATTACK: *no key*/(frog) attacked MiriamHorn/(Miriam Hornet) (NEWHP: 99) (Aft Port Maintenance (76,87,4))
**Snipping ~20 lines of frog attacks + irrelevant logs
[2022-11-08 16:53:14.784] ATTACK: no key/(frog) attacked MiriamHorn/(Miriam Hornet) (NEWHP: 0.3) (Aft Port Maintenance (80,88,4))
^ Beat to just above crit within 15 seconds. Frogs do 5 damage per hit.
- The frogs then go on to kill the medbots he spawned and attack the monkies.
- From player accounts I genuinely couldn't think of why the frogs would have aggroed, but now this makes sense. To replicate, spawn 2 frogs and a human. Take control of one of the frogs and attack another frog. The frog will now attack anything in sight that is not a frog. They will not retaliate against other frogs.
Game.txt
[2022-11-08 16:38:59.692] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created 15ea /mob/living/simple_animal/hostile/retaliate/frog
[2022-11-08 16:39:35.103] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created 15ea /mob/living/simple_animal/hostile/retaliate/frog
[2022-11-08 16:40:00.246] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created 15ea /mob/living/simple_animal/hostile/retaliate/frog
[2022-11-08 16:42:48.768] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
**Snipped 10 minutes of not much happening. There probably was a pod log on full logs, but as far as I know it is censored on parsed logs.
[2022-11-08 16:52:10.862] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) stuffed Delaron into frog.
Some other weird logs:
[2022-11-08 16:16:16.478] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created 10ea /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:16:35.693] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created 10ea /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:16:42.915] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created 10ea /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:37:02.751] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:37:28.829] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:37:53.807] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:41:42.960] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:41:58.942] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:41:59.579] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:41:59.888] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:42:17.261] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) deleted the monkey (246) at Bay #4 (204,56,1)
[2022-11-08 16:42:32.758] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) deleted the monkey (810) at Bay #4 (203,55,1)
[2022-11-08 16:42:42.570] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) deleted the monkey (181) at Bay #4 (202,56,1)
[2022-11-08 16:42:46.696] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) deleted the monkey (823) at Bay #4 (204,54,1)
[2022-11-08 16:42:48.768] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
- Delaron only deleted 4 monkies despite spawning a total of 48 monkies. 4 batches of 10, 8 single spawns. I don't recall nearly that many being podded in, so probably not all were used for this. In fact it looks like the 4 monkies left after the 8 single spawns might have been the only ones he sent, judging by time stamps. That said it IS hard to tell since in game there were a ton of mobs stacked on, and the logs don't say where the first 30 were spawned. Those monkies were spawned about 10-15 minutes before the pod incident.
- One of the monkies had a a justice helmet, or something roughly like that, for some reason. Couldn't find a log for that but I'm 99% sure. Not really sure why though.
Notes: Several commands are censored on parsed logs, including supply pod related ones, so far as I've been able to tell. Other commands that are censored (I think) are teleport and get. I'd make the argument that some of these are pretty suspect at best to be censored, given that they don't protect privacy, and are fairly abusable, especially if you know they're hidden. But that's outside the scope of the complaint.
Byond account and character name OR Discord name: Deadeagle/TateBrier/Deadeagle#1490
Admin: Delaron
Round ID: 193953
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/man ... nd-193953/
https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/193953
General Context:
Miriam Hornet, Tate Brier (me), and Ryan Johnson are in the Icebox maintenance kitchen. We're cooking random items, and generally chatting. A few minutes in, Delaron drops something like 30 frogs, 4 monkies, and a few random medbots via supply pod into the area. None of us asked for this, there was no communication, no prompt, or other reason he might do this. For at least a little while we basically just ignored the drop because nothing was hostile, and it was just annoying at best. At some point I left, I think to bring someone else who was injured to medbay, then found out Miriam was nearly killed by the frogs who, from their perspective, randomly aggro'd. Neither of us ahelped at the time for varying reasons. For them, when I asked, it was mostly an aversion to ahelping in general. Not uncommon. For me, I wasn't sure if there was a mechanic I wasn't sure about, or if the "event" was in good faith and just misunderstood, such as not intending for them to attack. Upon inspecting the logs, however, that's clearly not the case.
Looking at the logs clearly shows Delaron spawning a ton of mobs, then explicitly possessing them in order to cause aggression. At best this is a VERY bad event, and at worst, its basically using admin tools to grief, given there was no fluff attached to it, but simply a mob drop. The thought crossed my mind that they may have mistaken one of us for another character, like Marianne who explicitly has their obsession with frogs as a funny character trait, but even if that were the case, I don't think that would excuse dropping and agressing mobs with no warning.
As one last thing - even if even if such behaviour were to be allowed, its probably just worth noting that admins should be "reading the room". I think its fairly obvious none of the three in the maintenance kitchen had any plans to draw attention to ourselves, and just wanted to have a quiet bit to simply cook and chat. Around this time, a month ago from posting, I had already noticed a pattern whenever Delaron was on, and that was that he tended to hit admin buttons a lot. To the point where for 2-3 consecutive rounds, he couldn't just let rounds play out. So I started just avoiding and not playing rounds that he was on. I realize this part can be blamed on me, mostly for not reporting or expressing my opinion on it earlier, but oh well. There's a lot of factors that kill players desire to ahelp, report, or complain, and the behaviour is already discouraged by the offical admin guidelines:
"Don't spam sounds and events. If you're queuing sounds one after the other, or if you're running an event every day, you're doing it too often."
Search phrases:
Attack.txt
[2022-11-08 16:52:13.787] ATTACK: Delaron/(frog) attacked no key/(Monkey (911)) (NEWHP: 100) (Aft Port Maintenance (77,85,4))
^ First attack
[2022-11-08 16:53:03.809] ATTACK: Delaron/(frog) attacked no key/(frog) (NEWHP: 15) (Aft Port Maintenance (77,87,4))
^ Attack that triggers frog aggression
[2022-11-08 16:53:06.674] ATTACK: *no key*/(frog) attacked MiriamHorn/(Miriam Hornet) (NEWHP: 99) (Aft Port Maintenance (76,87,4))
**Snipping ~20 lines of frog attacks + irrelevant logs
[2022-11-08 16:53:14.784] ATTACK: no key/(frog) attacked MiriamHorn/(Miriam Hornet) (NEWHP: 0.3) (Aft Port Maintenance (80,88,4))
^ Beat to just above crit within 15 seconds. Frogs do 5 damage per hit.
- The frogs then go on to kill the medbots he spawned and attack the monkies.
- From player accounts I genuinely couldn't think of why the frogs would have aggroed, but now this makes sense. To replicate, spawn 2 frogs and a human. Take control of one of the frogs and attack another frog. The frog will now attack anything in sight that is not a frog. They will not retaliate against other frogs.
Game.txt
[2022-11-08 16:38:59.692] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created 15ea /mob/living/simple_animal/hostile/retaliate/frog
[2022-11-08 16:39:35.103] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created 15ea /mob/living/simple_animal/hostile/retaliate/frog
[2022-11-08 16:40:00.246] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created 15ea /mob/living/simple_animal/hostile/retaliate/frog
[2022-11-08 16:42:48.768] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
**Snipped 10 minutes of not much happening. There probably was a pod log on full logs, but as far as I know it is censored on parsed logs.
[2022-11-08 16:52:10.862] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) stuffed Delaron into frog.
Some other weird logs:
[2022-11-08 16:16:16.478] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created 10ea /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:16:35.693] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created 10ea /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:16:42.915] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created 10ea /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:37:02.751] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:37:28.829] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:37:53.807] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:41:42.960] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:41:58.942] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:41:59.579] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:41:59.888] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
[2022-11-08 16:42:17.261] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) deleted the monkey (246) at Bay #4 (204,56,1)
[2022-11-08 16:42:32.758] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) deleted the monkey (810) at Bay #4 (203,55,1)
[2022-11-08 16:42:42.570] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) deleted the monkey (181) at Bay #4 (202,56,1)
[2022-11-08 16:42:46.696] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) deleted the monkey (823) at Bay #4 (204,54,1)
[2022-11-08 16:42:48.768] ADMIN: Delaron/(Delaron Ereborn) created a /mob/living/carbon/human/species/monkey/angry
- Delaron only deleted 4 monkies despite spawning a total of 48 monkies. 4 batches of 10, 8 single spawns. I don't recall nearly that many being podded in, so probably not all were used for this. In fact it looks like the 4 monkies left after the 8 single spawns might have been the only ones he sent, judging by time stamps. That said it IS hard to tell since in game there were a ton of mobs stacked on, and the logs don't say where the first 30 were spawned. Those monkies were spawned about 10-15 minutes before the pod incident.
- One of the monkies had a a justice helmet, or something roughly like that, for some reason. Couldn't find a log for that but I'm 99% sure. Not really sure why though.
Notes: Several commands are censored on parsed logs, including supply pod related ones, so far as I've been able to tell. Other commands that are censored (I think) are teleport and get. I'd make the argument that some of these are pretty suspect at best to be censored, given that they don't protect privacy, and are fairly abusable, especially if you know they're hidden. But that's outside the scope of the complaint.