[Striders13] Odosendai - Bad handling of ahelp

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[Striders13] Odosendai - Bad handling of ahelp

Post by odosendai3 » #659834

When and where this incident occurred (Game Server, forums, Discord): Manuel round 196642
BYOND account and character name OR Discord name: Odosendai - Izabella Fraser / HolyC
Admin: Striders13
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE: 196642
Detailed summary: Admin Striders13 handled what I believe is a very minor ticket well after round end, and ended up giving me an extremely harsh note (and a day ban) I believe because I was not there to give my side of the story. Based on my past experiences with ahelps (as both the person getting in trouble and the one accusing someone else) it does not make sense to me such a minor complaint was being handled so long after the round ended.

My ban message (my notes in bold): "as non-antagonist asimov cyborg, partook in minor griefing of medbay, being preventing people from doing surgery by shuffling them (I believe I walked through someone doing surgery, as happens every round when medbay is crowded. This was not a thing I was doing deliberately or persistently and didn't meaningfully grief anyone. What evidence was used to justify a note for griefing?)and taking the captain's corpse away from medbay (100% factually untrue, after looking at the logs. After the captain got defibbed I carried them to cryo tube, but they ended up dying because I believe there was an issue with the room APC. After the captain died I gave up control of the body and didn't fight over it. It never left medbay and I never tried to take it from medbay or prevent treatment of it).. Was already noted for griefing behavior this very same round. (I got an MRP note for IC action, there no was "griefing" involved. My LRP actions ended up griefing me more than anyone that round [people escalated against me and took my shit multiple times, which I accepted as a consequence of my actions]) Player was not online when ban was placed (I had made an explicit point of waiting until the round was over, and joining the start of the next one, exactly to try to prevent something like this. I got a note for being LRP, and did the right thing and went to play on Sybil instead as a result of that.) , feel free to explain yourself on forums."


I am sure there will be some disagreement, but this seems like a very minor thing and also the type of thing I would pretty much never get a ban for if I was in game to respond to the admin. I want to know why it was such a seemingly minor ticket was being looked at so long after round end, and why such over the top action was taken. Considering the note has things that are objectively untrue if you look at the logs (I never even tried to remove the captain's corpse from medbay), how thoroughly was this ticket looked at before I was banned?

What ahelp(s) triggered Striders13 to login to Manuel and process the ticket involving me? Were there other open ahelps they also addressed at the time? Is it common for admins to look at this (low) severity of ticket so long after a round ends, and issue bans for something like this so long after the fact?


For additional context, these are all the attack.txt entries for me that round after I become a cyborg. The only other relevant thing I can think of is games.txt has the two entries of the captain getting buckled and then unbuckled from me (buckled in medbay treatment, unbuckled in Cryogenics):

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[2022-12-20 07:23:28.033] ATTACK: C12a23b02/(Irene Keener) attacked odosendai/(HolyC) with kiss (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 100)  (Robotics Lab (122,115,2))
[2022-12-20 07:23:28.034] ATTACK: C12a23b02/(Irene Keener) fired at odosendai/(HolyC) with the kiss blown by Irene Keener from Robotics Lab (NEWHP: 100)  (Robotics Lab (122,115,2))
[2022-12-20 07:26:05.774] ATTACK: odosendai/(HolyC) grabbed Shiveryadam/(Merli Lawniczak) passive grab (NEWHP: 100)  (Aft Central Primary Hallway (144,105,2))
[2022-12-20 07:26:10.572] ATTACK: odosendai/(HolyC) broke grab Shiveryadam/(Merli Lawniczak) (NEWHP: 100)  (Aft Central Primary Hallway (160,105,2))
[2022-12-20 07:27:21.510] ATTACK: odosendai/(HolyC) grabbed *no key*/(Izabella Fraser) passive grab (NEWHP: -100)  (Cryogenics (166,83,2))
[2022-12-20 07:27:41.525] ATTACK: odosendai/(HolyC) has been tipped over by Thgvr/(Sudie-Rava). (Medbay Treatment Center (157,87,2))
[2022-12-20 07:27:41.525] ATTACK: Thgvr/(Sudie-Rava) has tipped over odosendai/(HolyC). (Medbay Treatment Center (156,86,2))
[2022-12-20 07:27:42.096] ATTACK: Thgvr/(Sudie-Rava) grabbed odosendai/(HolyC) passive grab (NEWHP: 100)  (Medbay Treatment Center (156,86,2))
[2022-12-20 07:27:49.614] ATTACK: Sightld2/(Diskette B) grabbed odosendai/(HolyC) passive grab (NEWHP: 100)  (Medbay Treatment Center (155,87,2))
[2022-12-20 07:29:29.010] ATTACK: Thgvr/(Sudie-Rava) failed to tip over odosendai/(HolyC) (Medbay Treatment Center (156,87,2))
[2022-12-20 07:29:51.565] ATTACK: Sightld2/(Diskette B) flashed odosendai/(HolyC) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)  (Medbay Treatment Center (161,88,2))
[2022-12-20 07:29:55.548] ATTACK: BloodyChristmasMiracle/(Joe Colada) grabbed odosendai/(HolyC) passive grab (NEWHP: 100)  (Medbay Treatment Center (160,90,2))
[2022-12-20 07:30:02.728] ATTACK: BloodyChristmasMiracle/(Joe Colada) flashed odosendai/(HolyC) with the flash (NEWHP: 100)  (Aft Central Primary Hallway (144,104,2))
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Re: [Striders13] Odosendai - Bad handling of ahelp

Post by Timberpoes » #659835

viewtopic.php?p=619336#p619336
MrStonedOne wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:40 am Alright, this is getting old, so im gonna end it once and for all.

New host ruling: Admin's banning conduct can not be the subject of an admin complaint. That is what appeals are for, and the appeal leading to the ban being overturn is the minimum bar required before a complaint can be filed that references the ban conduct.

You already have an appeal up, headmins know about it. Leave it at that.
Your response to resolving this is via an appeal, not an admin complaint.

Appeals go here: viewforum.php?f=7

This complaint can be re-opened if the headmins consider it necessary after any appeal process is completed.
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Re: [Striders13] Odosendai - Bad handling of ahelp

Post by Timberpoes » #659836

(I'm intentionally not moving this to one of the resolved complaint subforums. Headmins are free to resolve, move and/or reopen this complaint as necessary.)
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Re: [Striders13] Odosendai - Bad handling of ahelp

Post by tattle » #661779

The related ban appeal was upheld, and thus this complaint is not actionable.
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