Hibbles wrote:So sabbat, is Sticky right in his (perhaps unkind) characterization of what you actually want as "I know this was addressed but I want more punishment for X"? I'm hungry and tired so forgive me if I missed some of the intricacies, all I see is people locked in mortal combat over gay spacemen.
... Which I guess is our SOP at all times. Uh, anyhow.
The guy supposedly got "a note" for only the third time and he continues to use made up things as an excuse for why nothing else happened, all while saying he saw the whole thing. He stated multiple times in admin PM that he thinks hitting somebody back instantly gives the person who hit first the right to kill you.
Again, I'll point out some things he said that the logs he posted disprove alone.
>The mime was hugspamming the clown and somebody disarmed him at the same time so the clown mistook him for the one that disarmed him
He says this because I said I was trying to hug him, I never made it that far, the clown slipped and kicked me the second I got close while I was typing an emote. He cemented it into his head that somehow "I was trying to hug him" means "I was hugspamming him" just from that single comment.
Logs provided by him show the last person I hugged was 2 minutes before the initial attack, and 1 minute after the clown had been disarmed by the other person (A single time, I might add, to which he said nothing.) As well, it would be pretty damn hard to mistake me for somebody else in that round as I was the mime in a witch hat and sexy mime outfit, I don't exactly look like the other roles on the station.
>You chased him you were obviously looking for a fight, so he didn't start it!
There's only 5 seconds (proven by logs) between getting slip/kicked to me hitting him back once, the time it took to get up from the slip stun, move a few tiles and hit him back. Then another five seconds, and the clown begins stabbing me to death. He continues to try to make it seem like I chased the clown around the station to antagonize him into trying to make me "leave him alone" as he put it, even though I was doing nothing to bother him before his initial attack.
>You hit him with a bottle this was just escalation don't start fights and get wrecked then adminhelp
He said this multiple times, that since I hit back I'm not allowed to adminhelp. Two hits and ten seconds has never been proper escalation, especially with nothing said and no security call. He hit me, I hit him back, his immediate response was murder. There's a word for that kind of response, it's called baiting. But as Sticky said, "I'm not allowed to judge intent". Yet, in admin PM's he was stating things like "You could have set him on fire" or "you could have stabbed him to death". Well, obviously that wasn't my intent, I hit him the one time, I don't even think the contents of a bottle of nothing are flammable, and I had nothing else on me besides some stamps and my crayon.
>Stating "get good" multiple times
He continuously said "Well you shouldn't have lost the fight", when the logs show I was never trying to kill him, and his intent at all times was murder. One hit the first time, only disarms the second time, and two punches while I was nearly dead and bleeding to death having just been ejected from cryo, that's not much of a fight from my end, that was me attempting to not die. If I had stabbed the clown to death after initially hitting him with a bottle, what do you think would have happened to me?
>Claims "disarming somebody" is a right for them to whip out a lethal weapon and begin beating you to death
First I'd like to point out I never disarmed him until after being attacked with the weapon, I was, again, trying not to die, disarming him while running toward security (I bled out just above the bridge where a security guard got to me at the last second), second I'd like to point out that disarming somebody while they're beating you with a weapon is not "escalation" either, it's barely even fighting back. Again, he supposedly saw this whole thing!... I was obviously not trying to fight him, I wanted my bottle back, broken as it might have been it's part of my mime gear and I didn't want to just leave it in the hall, my response to being murdered violently with an extinguisher was only to disarm, I didn't attack him with any weapons besides some accidental soap clicks which you can see I noticed after a few times then went back to just disarming. If I had intended to go back to cargo to murder the clown, I would have armed myself with something and hit first instead of wait until he's hit me a few times then start disarming him.
>the clown had no way of knowing you were in medbay even though he just put you into crit, and you attacked first this time! Valid!
The clown had literally just put me into crit, watched security give me CPR and drag me toward medbay, of course he knew I was there. And by "attacked first", he means I disarmed the clown once, he pulled out an extinguisher and we both hit eachother at the same time, but I was already bleeding out and close to dead. The entirety of my retalation consisted of one bottle hit and two punches, while the clown stabbed and fire extinguishered me into crit three times (dragging me into an open chemistry door and continuing to beat me, the third time, so people couldn't stop him besides the chemist.)
>States my ckey in deadchat and tells me if I make a ban request thread and "anything doesn't match" he's going to immediately delete it
Considering what he's said happened is immediately dis-proven by the logs, it's a little hard not to say something that doesn't match his story.
His last excuse is the continued "No I saw it, it actually went this way, not that way", how am I supposed to prove my point? Even logs that literally say exactly what I said happened don't work if that's all he has to say.
Nothing about this was handled properly from the start, from the original and immediate dismissal of my adminhelp because he claims he saw something different happen instead of looking into it.
The first time, sure, whatever, I got cryo'd and nothing permanent was done. If it was just that, I wouldn't be complaining. Even though we argued and he made a shitty call and I bitched at him. But the second I never even fought back except for disarms, while the clown showed clear intent to murder from the start (Attacking unprovoked yet again). Usually when somebody gets an admin PM, they don't fucking do that, I was pretty shocked when the clown got away with it. But again, whatever, shitty call but what am I gonna do? Third time, that's what makes this so bad. I hit back a total of two times with my fists while the other party had a weapon, but this time I actually fought back. He said "he handled it", while I see the clown still playing and my corpse buckled to a roller bed in chemistry. So I argue with the clown in dead chat who says things like "You salty?" and "I was clowning", so I say I'm going to make a ban request to which Sticky replies he's going to delete it if he doesn't like how I word it.
I thought I'd make the ban request and somebody else would handle it, except that's not what happened, Sticky came in to defend the clown and himself in the situation and then lock the thread after I finally get the logs I was asking for before I can even respond to what he claims were his reasons for not doing anything.
That is why I made this thread. NOTHING was done right, here. From jumping to conclusions and stubbornly making excuses for somebody, to posting my ckey in dead chat and stating before I'd even made the thread that he would delete it if he disagreed.
